Secretary of Defense John Kerry??? Said to be Obama's 'favorite choice'

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Already posted yesterday

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Are you saying he lied about receiving the Silver Star?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Are you saying he lied about receiving the Silver Star?


I was very clear in my post. His DD-214 listed a Silver Star with Combat "V" which is impossible. A "V" is never affixed to a silver star (only to a Bronze Star). He's a fraud.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Are you saying he lied about receiving the Silver Star?


Let’s be honest here. He’s bragged about his supposed exploits for years to the point where people think he is a big war hero. The dude spent only 4 months in combat yet he was awarded 3 purple hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze star??? Keep in mind he was on A BOAT!!

Smells funny to me!



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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No you weren't clear in your post, you could be asserting that he lied about receiving the Silver Star or you could be asserting that he lied about why he received it. In either case, you are wrong.


The Silver Star, referred to as the Silver Star Medal by the Navy and Marine Corps, is the third highest military decoration for valor that can be awarded to any person serving in any capacity with the United States Armed Forces. The medal is awarded for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States.

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And he did receive the honor


The President of the United States takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star Medal to
JOHN FORBES KERRY
LIEUTENANT JUNIOR GRADE
UNITED STATES NAVAL RESERVE
for service as set forth in the following:
CITATION
"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving as Officer in Charge of United States Navy Patrol Craft Fast 94 and officer in Tactical Command of an operation in the Republic of Vietnam. On 28 February 1969, Patrol Craft Fast 23, 43 and 94, in conjunction with Underwater Demolition Team 13 and Vietnamese Regional and Popular Forces personnel, conducted an operation on the Ca Mau Peninsula as part of Operation SEA LORDS. While transiting the Bay Hap River en route to an insertion point along the Dong Cung River, these craft with thirty Regional/Popular Force personnel embarked in each unit came under heavy enemy small arms fire from the river banks. The Officer in Tactical Command, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY directed his units to turn to the beach and charge the Viet Cong positions. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY expertly directed the fire of his craft at the fleeing enemy while simultaneously coordinating the insertion of the embarked troops. While the Regional and Popular Forces conducted an area sweep, Patrol Craft Fast 43 remained on station to provide fire support and Patrol Craft Fast 23 and 94 moved upstream to investigate an area from which gunshots were coming. Arriving at the area, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY ordered his units to charge the enemy positions and summoned Patrol Craft Fast 43 to the area to provide additional firepower. Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft Fast 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY then led an assault party and conducted a sweep of the area while the Patrol Craft Fast continued to provide fire support. After the enemy had been completely routed, all personnel returned to the Patrol Craft Fast to withdraw from the area. While backing off the beach, these units again came under a hail of fire, this time from the opposite river bank. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY immediately coordinated the firepower of his units and supressed the enemy fire. Later, after disembarking personnel, and while exiting from the Bay Hap River, the Patrol Craft Fast were again under fire. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY immediately maneuvered his craft through several strafing runs which completely silenced the enemy. As a result of this operation, ten Viet Cong were killed and one wounded with no friendly casualties. In addition, numerous sampans, structures and bunkers were destroyed as well as confiscation of substantial quantities of combat essential supplies. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's devotion to duty, courage under fire, outstanding leadership, and exemplary professionalism directly contributed to the success of this operation and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the Unites States Naval Service."
For the President
E.R. ZUMWALT, Jr.
Vice Admiral, U. S. Navy
Commander U. S. Naval Forces, Vietnam

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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It might not smell so funny to you if you actually ever for once in your life read anything that wasn't biased against a 'dirty liberal'. Grow up already.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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It might not smell so funny to you if you actually ever for once in your life read anything that wasn't biased against a 'dirty liberal'. Grow up already.


He might make your leg tickle but he has no respect from most veterans.

That should tell you something about his "awards". His peers despise him.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
Had he violated the Logan Act, do you think for one second he would have walked out of that Committee Hearing a free man?

Have you seen how DC operates? The coverups. The people being let go or not investigated? Yes he could easily have walked away. Because he did.

As for the rest of your allegations? They are just that... no proof of such has ever been offered.

No proof? Like what? No proof that Kerry made faux-home movies of himself running around Vietnam in uniform ..( the wrong uniform
) so that he could show them back in CONUS for his political ambitions. Four months .. three highly questionable purple hearts .. one really poor self promoting 'home movie' ... and out. It's all there.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
Keep in mind he was on A BOAT!!

Except when he was on the ground for a few hours making fake home movies of himself running around in combat gear and the wrong uniform. But one of those three Purple Hearts he collected in those four months over there was while he was on a boat .. didn't he toss a grenade too close to the boat and get a couple of grains of rice embedded in his backend??
I wonder if it even needed a bandaid??



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Yes no proof. There's actual records of his medals and honors which makes the allegations that he lied about them utterly ridiculous.

As for the movie, I've never seen it.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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I am more than disgraced by even the thought of this douche bag being considered. I have no respect for this lying idiot. As a veteran with real medals from real wounds he is a disgrace to every service member. It would had been better if he hid out in the National Guard or Reserves than fake his war stories.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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He might make your leg tickle.


Seriously?



but he has no respect from most veterans. That should tell you something about his "awards". His peers despise him.


Well at least you're not doubling down on the medals. But he does actually have a lot of respect from vets, he did a hell of a lot for them too.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Wasn't it a cut?
A cut A BUTTOCKS INJURY,
SELF INFLICTED

?

LOLOLOLOLOL
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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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I think it's a great idea!
Brilliant!
Ab-Fab!


Finally, the beginning of the end for the democrat party.


Please-oh-please-oh-please-oh-please nominate him!



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
There's actual records of his medals and honors which makes the allegations that he lied about them utterly ridiculous.

Oh .. he got those three Purple Hearts alright. But how he got them and if he deserved them is where the problem is. Not to mention the fact that he threw them away so he really has no right to brag about them now.

As for the movie, I've never seen it.

Still Photo and Description Here

Tedd Peck, who piloted PCF-94 before being wounded and turning over command to Kerry, told WorldNetDaily the footage taken in Vietnam is “phony.”

Kerry’s 8-millimeter films show him with grenades hanging from a flack jacket, but Peck says the members of the swift-boat crew were not ground troops — being told never to leave the boat — and never were issued grenades because of the chance of them ricocheting when lobbed from the deck.

“He found [the grenades] and wanted to make himself look like a gungho John Wayne,” said Peck, who said he didn’t like Kerry from the start. “That’s what it is, Hollywood.”


1 Minute Youtube Video - John Kerry 'admitting' that he was a really nasty piece of work in Vietnam
(I don't buy any of it)

8 minute Youtube Video - Vietnam Vets Stolen Honor



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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The supposed injury for that Purple Heart is thought to have come from some grains of rice that got embedded in the mans butt. He threw a grenade too close to the boat and into a rice patty ... blew up the stink'n rice patty and got rice stuck in himself. Another Purple Heart came when he scratched his arm during training in Camron Bay. I'll have to look up the third Purple Heart.

Remember all the purple heart bandaids that were around when Kerry ran for POTUS?

I wonder if they'll make a comeback when this guy is made Secretary of Defense for Obama??



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Wasn't it a grain of rice injury?





posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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LOL I remember those days.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Trustfund



John "Winter Soldier" Kerry - three scratches and three Purple Hearts and out of Vietnam in four months.



The criteria for the Purple Heart call for its award for any injury received during combat requiring treatment by a medical officer; the military makes no distinction regarding the severity of the injury. Under military regulations, the Purple Heart can also be awarded for "friendly fire" wounds in the "heat of battle," so long as the fire is targeted "under full intent of inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment."


Oh, my then I should have like 500+ Purple Hearts - I have busted my face (literally broken facial bones) on a car while seeking cover, cut myself on rusty pieces of metal while maneuvering (stitches), broken a finger during a dramatic entry, gotten burns on my arm from a fast rope, I have been "treated by a medical officer" for combat related boo-boos more times than I can count. However, I have 1 Purple heart - for a gunshot wound. No credible Soldier (or Sailor in Kerry's case) is going to apply for a Purple Heart for a scratch even though they can.

Kerry was badge and medal hunting in Vietnam plain and simple, he wanted as a well connected kid to get in rack up some political cred and leave while exposing himself as little as possible. If you honestly think that was not the case - I fear your naiveté knows no bounds. We have these people in the military even today. Guys who fly into the base (and never leave) for 2 days so they can get combat pay for the month and get all the campaign medals for a certain action. No one respects them.

I give him kudos for even signing up to go, that would have been enough for me to appreciate his service; we need cooks, and admin officers and supply officers and such - none are more or less important than the shooters. Without the geek who can keep my #ty laptop running in 120 degree heat and generator power spikes I am back to the 19th century and carrier pigeons. I recommended my computer guy for a Bronze Star - he could work miracles. People associate the Bronze Star with Valor but it is not - it is the equivalent of a Meritorious Service Medal for War time actions. Was he at times my hero - damn right. When I had to send a classified report and my coms were down I'd wake his young ass up and in 10 minutes he'd have me back up and running. He never fired a shot never left the compound but he was as much a part of the war as all of my Special Operators. Hell, he was more useful to me than the Airforce Controllers I had - they were just a tactical liability. Poor field craft and out of shape overweight couldn't even carry their own equipment.

What cheapens his service is his duplicitous use of it by being both anti-service but at the same time covers himself in the veil of "hey I did my part". Can't have it both ways John, you are either proud of your service or not.





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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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WND and Jerome Corsi BS? That's your proof? Sounds a lot like the 'documentary' supposedly narrated by Obama himself where he admits his mother was a porn star and he a product of a relationship between his mother and an outspoken communist of the day (forget his name)... anywho...

You may also want to criticize thousands of other recipients of Purple Hearts as they are given for any wound of any degree by any cause if it happened in the presence of an enemy. This has always been ridiculous, childish nonsense and will always be so.

How bout you children go after him on things he's done as a legislator? Good lord.





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