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Originally posted by flexy123
Your OP must be satire...but I am going with it for sh!ts and giggles...
Wow, well first off let me just say how far the censorship of speech in the US has gone. As I am writing this 563 people have signed this.
So what? In a DEMOCRACY people have that freedom. You can do YOUR silly stuff and they can't do theirs If you don't like it...why not move to China or North Korea?
Is this what we have become? A nation that punishes and demeans other people's points of view?! A nation of "you don't like it, you can get out" minded fellows?
Funny. You are obviously a supporter of the "secede-people", so are you EXACTLY doing that! You don't like something...so you want "to get out". (Or kick other people out). And it's YOU guys who believe you are the only people who believe in God, "work hard" and whatnot. You guys repeat that over and over how you despise anyone thinking differently. Your entire rhetoric i heard the last weeks ("you" meaning you R-people) is nothing BUT demeaning others people's point of view. THE MAIN REASON you want to get out in the first place.
Why do most Americans not accept this as patriotism? A true patriot will stand up to violations of the constitution, and side with the people, not the government.
If you "side with the people" ..why are you so upset? America voted. The majority of people does NOT share your point of view. Seceding from the US is hardly a sign of "siding with the people". What you want is a fascist state where only die-hard racists will be left over and no other opinion and viewpoint will be tolerated. Take the example of Louisiana..what happens with the 31% blacks, 51% women and 30% percent young people? You seriously believe they would want to stay?
We now live in a nation that is not elected, but bought by corporate interests.
This might be true (the latter part)...but there WAS an election. Would you write all this rambling if your guy would have won? Hardly. Again: This is what communists or fascists do. When something does not run like they want..they start accusations and scream for actions. You BELIEVE you are an American, but you cant handle diversity and opposite viewpoints. Again..what are you even doing here?
Let me just make it clear: I do not believe a state should secede, but I believe in their right to do so. Since nullification of unconstitutional federal laws is no longer an option, I see it as a last resort. And with the Texas petition now surpassing 50,000+ signatures it is more than just a few anti-Obama republicans.
If states "simply secede"..then what's the point of elections, what's the point of free speech? It's a fake elections if, once there is an "inconvenient" outcome, you see the need to do such changes.
Fricking get your republican party straight and face realities, get better candidates...instead of whining and blaming everyone else. You could have *easily* won with a better candidate..so blind and brainwashed that you had the worst candidate America has ever seen in decades, still convinced you would win with that j/a of a joke of a candidate.
edit on 13-11-2012 by flexy123 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!
The people who are upset over this do know that just about anyone can start a petition on Whitehouse.gov, right? Even if said petition is patently satirical?
This is obviously a snarky response to the secessionists and fantasists. Can't say I blame whoever started the petition; I'm getting tired of listening to the whiners, as well. Nobody's seriously advocating we deport anyone who signs such a petition, though.
I think a lot of the problem surrounding the hype around this 'states petitioning to secede' story is that nobody pushing the story seems to understand how the petition process on Whitehouse.gov works. Same goes for this petition in particular.edit on 13/11/12 by Sink the Bismarck! because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by muse7
Originally posted by ugie1028
I signed the petition for NJ.
Well if you guys see me disapear... check the FEMA camps in NJ for me.
Also for those who don't know me. I did not vote for Obamney. I am supporting this to send a message to Washington. For those who think its about being a sore loser - you're flat out wrong & ignorant!
This is about the irresponsible FEDERAL GOVERNMENT not the POTUS!
jeez some of you guys who are supporting the exile petition are dense as hell! You guys should go take a long walk down a short pier.
You signed a document that basically says you wish for the destruction and disintegration of the United States.
But please by all means continue to call yourself a patriot while you pat yourself on the back.edit on 11/13/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)
[originally posted by pyramid head on 14-11-2012 @ 02:35 AM]
First of all, we are not a democracy, if we were, what you are saying would make sense. We are not a winner takes all society, just because you agree with the abuse of power in the government does not make it legal. There are certain powers put into the constitution by the founders for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government.
If you enjoy said tyranny, good live in it. But when the government oversteps its constitutional boundaries the people have a legit recourse granted by the constitution. I understand that people of your "team" want to force their will on the rest of the 49% via strong arm tactics from the government, but there is still that pesky 49% who do not agree with a socialists and unconstitutional government. You and people of your side should just be honest and say you think the constitution is worthless and you could care less what it says unless it agrees with what you want, it would make discussing the matter much simpler.
Originally posted by muse7
Hey guess what? no one is stopping you from leaving and renouncing your citizenship!
Originally posted by Dukesy
reply to post by Navieko
I agree with you. It is not getting out of America that is driving this petition idea - it is the idea that seceding in some way will give them hope and change without being lied to about it. It looks like the message is "we are tired of corrupt government" "we are tired of giving our stuff to people who do not deserve it" "we tired of you spending our money on useless wars and personal crap - like useless green energy companies" "we are tired of being told one thing and you doing the complete opposite" "we are tired of you spending our hard earned money with nothing in return to show for it" "we are tired of you making up laws in favor of your personal benefit" "we are tired of you telling us what companies we have to use" "we are tired of you making us afraid" "we are tired of you expanding the population of this country with no control in sight" on and on it goes - these people are looking for a fare shake and they are not getting one - it is that simple.
Real people are fed up with their government for real reasons. They elect people who go to Washington thinking it is a septic tank and find out when they get there it is a spa and do nothing remotely related to what they were ask to do for the people who elected them. Makes me sick to my stomach - our current president and his questionable administration is a good example. But then again - what do I know about being a Zar. You can't make this stuff up.
edit on 14-11-2012 by Dukesy because: spelling and grammer