New petition on Whitehouse.gov: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede

They now have all the names of all the people who signed at the white house so it will make for easy pickens when the turkey shoot starts.

Beware of petitions that were started on the white house web page that requires you to register to sign it is all about gathering info and intel.

reply to post by ChesterJohn


It they wanted my info they can hit up facebook or the DMV here in my local state or Last years tax return at HR block. I am not scared of my government....if its my time then so be it but im not going to quiver in fear and beg for my life for saying i do not like what they are doin....or for signing a petition to land me on the no fly list which mind you i dont fly anyway. i had to shed every last dignity i had for them to see for themselves that i have a piercing and not a titanium knife so im not scared!

Does anyone else see the irony in how easy it is for anyone here to speak their minds, while having full access to the ways and means of producing free speech no matter how wacky it sounds? I can think of a few people burned at the stake in days of yore, who would be extremely willing to trade places with those of you so bitterly offended by a country that has always led the world in access to information, which you can get in 47 flavors 24/7 with a flick of a switch. Entitlement much?

Originally posted by flexy123
Your OP must be satire...but I am going with it for sh!ts and giggles...

Wow, well first off let me just say how far the censorship of speech in the US has gone. As I am writing this 563 people have signed this.

So what? In a DEMOCRACY people have that freedom. You can do YOUR silly stuff and they can't do theirs

If you don't like it...why not move to China or North Korea?

Is this what we have become? A nation that punishes and demeans other people's points of view?! A nation of "you don't like it, you can get out" minded fellows?

Funny. You are obviously a supporter of the "secede-people", so are you EXACTLY doing that! You don't like something...so you want "to get out". (Or kick other people out). And it's YOU guys who believe you are the only people who believe in God, "work hard" and whatnot. You guys repeat that over and over how you despise anyone thinking differently. Your entire rhetoric i heard the last weeks ("you" meaning you R-people) is nothing BUT demeaning others people's point of view. THE MAIN REASON you want to get out in the first place.

Why do most Americans not accept this as patriotism? A true patriot will stand up to violations of the constitution, and side with the people, not the government.

If you "side with the people" ..why are you so upset? America voted. The majority of people does NOT share your point of view. Seceding from the US is hardly a sign of "siding with the people". What you want is a fascist state where only die-hard racists will be left over and no other opinion and viewpoint will be tolerated. Take the example of Louisiana..what happens with the 31% blacks, 51% women and 30% percent young people? You seriously believe they would want to stay?

We now live in a nation that is not elected, but bought by corporate interests.

This might be true (the latter part)...but there WAS an election. Would you write all this rambling if your guy would have won? Hardly. Again: This is what communists or fascists do. When something does not run like they want..they start accusations and scream for actions. You BELIEVE you are an American, but you cant handle diversity and opposite viewpoints. Again..what are you even doing here?

Let me just make it clear: I do not believe a state should secede, but I believe in their right to do so. Since nullification of unconstitutional federal laws is no longer an option, I see it as a last resort. And with the Texas petition now surpassing 50,000+ signatures it is more than just a few anti-Obama republicans.

If states "simply secede"..then what's the point of elections, what's the point of free speech? It's a fake elections if, once there is an "inconvenient" outcome, you see the need to do such changes.

Fricking get your republican party straight and face realities, get better candidates...instead of whining and blaming everyone else. You could have *easily* won with a better candidate..so blind and brainwashed that you had the worst candidate America has ever seen in decades, still convinced you would win with that j/a of a joke of a candidate.

edit on 13-11-2012 by flexy123 because: (no reason given)

First of all, we are not a democracy, if we were, what you are saying would make sense. We are not a winner takes all society, just because you agree with the abuse of power in the government does not make it legal. There are certain powers put into the constitution by the founders for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government.

If you enjoy said tyranny, good live in it. But when the government oversteps its constitutional boundaries the people have a legit recourse granted by the constitiution. I understand that people of your "team" want to force their will on the rest of the 49% via strong arm tactics from the government, but there is still that pesky 49% who do not agree with a socialists and unconstitutional government. You and people of your side should just be honest and say you think the constitution is worthless and you could care less what it says unless it agrees with what you want, it would make discussing the matter much simpler.

Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!
The people who are upset over this do know that just about anyone can start a petition on Whitehouse.gov, right? Even if said petition is patently satirical?

This is obviously a snarky response to the secessionists and fantasists. Can't say I blame whoever started the petition; I'm getting tired of listening to the whiners, as well. Nobody's seriously advocating we deport anyone who signs such a petition, though.

I think a lot of the problem surrounding the hype around this 'states petitioning to secede' story is that nobody pushing the story seems to understand how the petition process on Whitehouse.gov works. Same goes for this petition in particular.

edit on 13/11/12 by Sink the Bismarck! because: (no reason given)

Well, this IS the first time since the Civil War that more than 3 states have petitions. It is up to 34 now. Seems to be catching on like wildfire. Compare it with Occupy's ranting little sitins on Wall Street with their drugs and homeless people and rapes and people pooping on police cars.

z6mag.com...

I signed the petition for Texas because I'm moving there in the highly unlikely event they ever succeed. It's not about freedom of speech, it's about building a business with blood sweat and tears, and then getting bent over with taxes and premiums because the government feels some people should be entitled to 99 weeks of unemployment amount other entitlements...

Originally posted by muse7

Originally posted by ugie1028
I signed the petition for NJ.

Well if you guys see me disapear... check the FEMA camps in NJ for me.

Thanks!

Also for those who don't know me. I did not vote for Obamney. I am supporting this to send a message to Washington. For those who think its about being a sore loser - you're flat out wrong & ignorant!

This is about the irresponsible FEDERAL GOVERNMENT not the POTUS!

jeez some of you guys who are supporting the exile petition are dense as hell! You guys should go take a long walk down a short pier.

You signed a document that basically says you wish for the destruction and disintegration of the United States.

But please by all means continue to call yourself a patriot while you pat yourself on the back.

edit on 11/13/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

The destruction of the United States was already set in motion 15 years ago, first by Clinton's repeal of glass steagall, then by Bush's "deficits don't matter" and finally by Obama's "Entitlements for all" and "QE to infinity". Succession is merely asking to stand clear of the fallout.

[originally posted by pyramid head on 14-11-2012 @ 02:35 AM]
First of all, we are not a democracy, if we were, what you are saying would make sense. We are not a winner takes all society, just because you agree with the abuse of power in the government does not make it legal. There are certain powers put into the constitution by the founders for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government.

If you enjoy said tyranny, good live in it. But when the government oversteps its constitutional boundaries the people have a legit recourse granted by the constitution. I understand that people of your "team" want to force their will on the rest of the 49% via strong arm tactics from the government, but there is still that pesky 49% who do not agree with a socialists and unconstitutional government. You and people of your side should just be honest and say you think the constitution is worthless and you could care less what it says unless it agrees with what you want, it would make discussing the matter much simpler.

Huh? How does "not a democracy" and "what you are saying would make sense" have to do with each other at all? I think anyone who loves America, whether they be from left right, up down, etc., would disagree that tyranny is bad and the U.S. Constitution is good. Do you even know what "socialism" and "tyranny" mean? If you say, "Yes I know what they mean" then go ahead and define them and name your sources. Otherwise you sound like so many sad reactionaries today that throw around these dead terms as if they have super powers to hypnotize people with the magic of many syllables.

You are not of the 49%. I an not of the 49%. We are both of the 100% and we both want the same things; peace, family, love, and batteries for the remote. The fact that I am writing back to you right now in real time, and you are reading it mere minutes or hours from the time I replied, is a huge miracle of a free society that got this way with the sweat and toil of slaves and free men alike.

Someone has been lying to you about the state of the union, and I bet they said it loud and scary enough to make you keep listening and hanging around through the commercials. Who are these tyrants of the airwaves who have grown rich and fat off of your vulnerability and love of country?

Originally posted by muse7
Hey guess what? no one is stopping you from leaving and renouncing your citizenship!

The federal government (unofficially) seceded from the union the moment they stopped playing by the rules set out by the founding fathers. The constitution was a contract, and it's been well and truly breached. Therefore, it's not about getting out (wanting to secede) -- it's about getting back in and honoring the original contract/constitution.

reply to post by Navieko

I agree with you. It is not getting out of America that is driving this petition idea - it is the idea that seceding in some way will give them hope and change without being lied to about it. It looks like the message is "we are tired of corrupt government" "we are tired of giving our stuff to people who do not deserve it" "we tired of you spending our money on useless wars and personal crap - like useless green energy companies" "we are tired of being told one thing and you doing the complete opposite" "we are tired of you spending our hard earned money with nothing in return to show for it" "we are tired of you making up laws in favor of your personal benefit" "we are tired of you telling us what companies we have to use" "we are tired of you making us afraid" "we are tired of you expanding the population of this country with no control in sight" on and on it goes - these people are looking for a fare shake and they are not getting one - it is that simple.

Real people are fed up with their government for real reasons. They elect people who go to Washington thinking it is a septic tank and find out when they get there it is a spa and do nothing remotely related to what they were ask to do for the people who elected them. Makes me sick to my stomach - our current president and his questionable administration is a good example. But then again - what do I know about being a Zar. You can't make this stuff up.

Anyone that believes in the left/right paradigm is not even on page one.

reply to post by HabiruThorstein


actually it is not.
a petition does not get the job done
please learn about this country's form of government.

it is illegal for any state to leave this great nation of ours.
please read on Texas v White.

wh.gov...

reply to post by muse7

The United States of America Inc. is not the United States set up by the constitution. Why would people be crazy to want to go back to the way this country used to be?
Be the last to know dude, but the whole world hates you!

Originally posted by Dukesy
reply to post by Navieko

 

I agree with you. It is not getting out of America that is driving this petition idea - it is the idea that seceding in some way will give them hope and change without being lied to about it. It looks like the message is "we are tired of corrupt government" "we are tired of giving our stuff to people who do not deserve it" "we tired of you spending our money on useless wars and personal crap - like useless green energy companies" "we are tired of being told one thing and you doing the complete opposite" "we are tired of you spending our hard earned money with nothing in return to show for it" "we are tired of you making up laws in favor of your personal benefit" "we are tired of you telling us what companies we have to use" "we are tired of you making us afraid" "we are tired of you expanding the population of this country with no control in sight" on and on it goes - these people are looking for a fare shake and they are not getting one - it is that simple.

Real people are fed up with their government for real reasons. They elect people who go to Washington thinking it is a septic tank and find out when they get there it is a spa and do nothing remotely related to what they were ask to do for the people who elected them. Makes me sick to my stomach - our current president and his questionable administration is a good example. But then again - what do I know about being a Zar. You can't make this stuff up.

edit on 14-11-2012 by Dukesy because: spelling and grammer

I appreciate how much more reasonable your thoughts approach the issue of dissatisfaction, but I must repeat that the lesson today is not as much about learning how "they have betrayed us" but instead how much we let ourselves believe things without checking. We thought we knew more than we did. When the pundits confirmed how little we actually knew, we felt like we didn't have to find out any more.

We - with our very busy lives, trying to be all things to all loved ones - were taken advantage of. We hoped those who were expressing our feelings were also representing the truth we would eventually get to, once we had time. They were not. They were just getting rich. Rush and Sean and Bill, all of them are laughing all the way to the bank.

I think it's a great idea, but the gov. will never go for it.

You see, the corporate office of "Citizen" is an essential part of the web of deceit that keeps twinkies lawfully under the thumb of the suffering-producer extraordinaire, the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. Those people need that suffering to continue and increase until their attention can be secured to the lesson at hand. To wit: All is one, and separation is illusory, just as free will is illusory.

I would pay an ounce of real silver to have the gov't strip "me" of "my" citizenship. (actually they would just be expunging the record of presumed joinder between "my" person and their corporation. of course, I don't actually believe in said person, but they like to pretend, and their game is strong!)

I just went through all the petitions and signed the ones I felt were important. I find it kind of sad there are so many BS petitions clouding up the sight with real issues. I advise anyone with the time to at least look through them there was one about how charity’s that are supposed to help sick children are only seeing .01 to .03 cent of every dollar donated it was started by a father who lost his child because they said they didn’t have enough money at the charity.

Much charity’s work under the guise as charity but it is just a way for them to get rich. It really is sick you know. I read through some of the laws pertaining to them one day and for them to keep their tax free status they only need to spend 5% of what they take in. Romney ran one like that. It is part of the reason I am so against privatization of certain services and how people get out of paying taxes because they give to their favorite charity in some cases the charity they give to they are the proprietor. They become tax havens and ways to skirt the system depriving those who are truly needy.

Anyway like I said if any of you have the time read through all the petitions there are about 130 of them there are some real issues there that aren’t knee jerk reactions and there are some issues there that with enough signatures it could make a real difference to someone.

reply to post by rickm


Actually, White v Texas held that secession wasn't possible, "except through revolution or through consent of the States."

Soo it's legal,

and you're wrong.

Can somebody please post a link to the petition.

Thank you kindly...

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