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New petition on Whitehouse.gov: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Hey now…. I like South America but having an AK is more of a necessity in some of those areas than a freedom. As a gringo its best to not be caught with one though.
Just sayin.




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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NOTHING was going to happen from these Petitions Its Just a form of Protest is all. A peacefull way to vent.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by dogstar23

Originally posted by itsallintheegg
I will gladly be exiled from this authoritarian dictatorship.
I know very few people who care about the state of this country and where it is headed... so if I can't have a say, then please, deport me.


This is what I don't get...I dislike how far we've strayed from our Constitutional principals as well, but,..where are you going to go? The only places I can think of with greater freedom either have far less opportunity, are overrun by constant warring factions, are full of life-threatening jungle disease, or are highly Socialist, which most of the people who are so fed up with the fed are thoroughly against.

To wish for a return to yesteryear is one thing, but to actually consider leaving for greener pastures...where are they? Europe? Nope. Asia? Worse. Africa...warlords, poverty, starvation, and disease in parts, far worse dictatorship in others. Antarctica...cold. South America, Socialist/Communist. Nordic countries...REALLY Socialist.

I guess maybe Greenland or Iceland? I'm just seriously wondering...I know we're not what we should be, and its gotten far worse since 2001, but where is this paradise of freedom, so much better than the USA?


We'll try one more time. The idea is not to go anywhere! Stay right here smack dab in the middle (or towards the boarders depending on the local) of the North American continent! American patriots have to go nowhere!



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Ah,my native state this is the result of watching the Alamo too many times and not paying attention in history class.The reason Texas joined The US is that we were broke.Funny how all this talk about secession happens when one team or another loses.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by muse7

Can you tell me one thing that you can't do now, that you could do 20 years ago?


Leave my car unlocked.
Leave my house unlocked.
Walk a block without being on camera.
Walk in a black neighborhood without being shot or beaten up.
Walk in a white neighborhood without being shot or beaten up.
Not being called an a-hole because I liked a different political party.
Not be felt up in an airport.
Not be stopped just because I was on a highway.
Pay my bills.
Say Merry Christmas.
Pray in public.
Say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Not have my mail read.
There are more but you should get the idea.



I am not sure what part of the country or which universe you live in but you should move over here we do all of that stuff.Pay your bills part is kind of weird unless you can’t find a job. I could probably get you one on a fishing boat here they are always looking for fresh meat to haul the nets.

I lost the key to my back door a year ago and never lock it. Its just a good place to live. Someone did steal a surfboard off my car a while back but that was at the beach. oops.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by mike dangerously
Ah,my native state this is the result of watching the Alamo too many times and not paying attention in history class.The reason Texas joined The US is that we were broke.Funny how all this talk about secession happens when one team or another loses.


That's fine, you go play your little game. Go pick a side or get picked to a side. The rest of us here are playing no game, there are no sides. It's the human race vs ..... the human race if you want to have sides, pick yours!

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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by mrnotobc

Originally posted by muse7
I like that, let's see these fake secessionists put their money where their mouth is


I'm sure there are many right wing paradises where these nuts can go live! Where there are no social safety nets, no health care and where they can get into daily gunfights


There are many immigrants waiting to be part of this great union, we won't miss these crybabies


What kind of pussy are you? Why don't you just call for Oboma to put them on his kill list?


I'm the pussy? Dude I'm not the one going around signing petitions to run away from the problems facing my country.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Pointing out a valid reason that paying bills might be on the list makes me a "secessionist troll" in your book?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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I have been reading about these petitions floating around about some states wanting to secede from the United States, and as well the many comments being made about the reasons behind them. Started reading about them this morning when there were only 15 states with a petition, now it's 22 states. Now, while I do not agree with the breaking up of the United States, as an American I can relate and agree with some (not all) of the reasons these people have complaints. And I completely understand that any secession would (will) fail. The federal government would never allow any state to leave, and would meet any such attempt with deadly force. So, let's start with this...most of the comments being made have nothing to do with understanding what the real complaints are. I have read comments stating that the people in these states (all the people in these states) are inbreed, backwards thinking, racists, red-necks, unpatriotic, terrorist, communist, traitors, cowards, simple minded children, religious nuts, anti-Islamic, slave owner wanna bes, republicans, democrats, left wing, right wing, liberal, retarded, and just plain mean. Even boiling down to simply saying that the people are only pissed over the election. Personally I didn't vote. I didn't feel like having to choose between the lesser of the evils. In making these comments, did anyone stop to ask what the real issue (issues) are for people wanting to leave the U.S.? Nope! Not once! I read about what you think the issue is, but in no way did you ask what the issue(s) is/are. The comments were all just basically name calling. I live in one of the states that has a petition to secede. Did I sign it? Nope! The reason being
that I think there is a better way to solve the issues that have people so upset. Now like I said, I don't agree with a lot of the issues, but there are a few that I do. Let's start with our dear federal government. I really can't stand the path it is on. The more I see and read everyday leads me to the fear that one day we, as Americans, will have no freedoms left at all. They don't work for us anymore, in my humble opinion, but control us with and through fear. Some of our most basic rights as a nation are being stripped before our very eyes. All because we live in a constant fear of some great boogie-man. Something else I can agree with these people on is our elected officials. From the lowly mayor of some forgotten little town all the way to the top. We, as a society, have allowed companies and corporations to fund and elect those that are supposed to be elected by us, the people. It's no longer "of the people", but "of the biggest and deepest pockets." And these "paid for" officials no longer help to protect us, but side with the very corporations that "hired" them into office. They pass new laws everyday that hinder the people and give their bosses more power to control what we eat, see, read, buy, and think. Just like the little work law they passed here in Georgia a few years ago..."The Right To Work" law. Basically a law that states that your employer may terminate you for any or no reason at all. Wow! Yeah, that really protects us from unfair work practices.
When half the work force is terminated and you are told you have to work double hours and do triple jobs just to make sure the company doesn't decide to leave your state, what are you going to do? You do just what the overlords tell you. All because you fear losing your job and then losing everything you have because you have no cash to pay your bills, put food on the table, pay for medicines. Now don't get me wrong here. I truly believe that we should all work for what we have, what we want. And hard work can be good for the soul. But for any company to threaten to fire anyone for no reason, or move to a different state
just because you are told to do the work of four people instead of one, or because the state won't give them even more tax breaks on top of what they already received just for moving to the state so you could have a job in the first place is bull. Corporations have bought the souls of what used to be our elected officials and they rein over us with an iron fist. I hear a lot people complain that the president should lower prices on this and that. You know, the things we need like food, or fuel which is very debatable as a need. The president has no control over these things. Corporations do, they are the one's that control the market. Get on their tails over the price for the food we buy or the fuel we heat our homes with. Oh wait, you can't! Because our elected officials have passed all these laws protecting the poor little giants from the big mean workforce. These are the issues that I can understand, relate to, and can get behind. Now what would be the best way to
address these issues? Start by being harder on our elected officials. Bug the piss out of them every second of every day. If nothing comes from that, then protest/march to a higher authority. Do what ever you/we have to, to be heard. When one voice, or a hundred thousand, are not enough, scream to top of your lungs. Get more people, and more, until the voice of the people can be heard. There is one quote that I am quite fond of; "People should not fear their government, the government should fear their people." When all else fails, when all other avenues have been exhausted, then the people will have no choice but to take other measures. We see everyday how our very own government helps other countries over throw their oppressive
governments, and not always for the best of the people. Our soldiers throughout the U.S. history have bled and died to protect our rights. The rights our forefathers put in place to protect us. When they are trampled on, over written, or forgotten then it is our job, our duty to set things right. It's the very least we can do to honor our soldiers, to protect our children's future, and become a great nation again. As for armed revolution...I can't see that coming out good for anyone in the short term. It would take many, many years to heal from something like that. And might not even be a change for the better. A change is coming. And I don't know which way the wind is going to blow when it does. But I do know this, I will fight for my rights as an American, my child's future, and the right to live free.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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This has probably already come up, but an expatriation act wasn't far from being passed a while back. From what I can tell, it hasn't, officially, but maybe this is the push it needed?


The Enemy Expatriation Act, if passed and signed into law, could "let the government strike away citizenship for anyone engaged in hostilities, or supporting hostilities, against the United States. The law itself is rather brief, but in just a few words it warrants the US government to strip nationality status from anyone they identify as a threat. articles.businessinsider.com...


Wonder where one might get expatriated to?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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Let me get this straight then.

People who no longer want to be a citizen of the united states are offended that someone said "ok..."?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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I consider that contract broken by the Government the morning of 911 ... the question is why would anyone want to keep a dead contract alive... ??? oh well, I guess it takes all kinds even those who dont understand.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
Obama won, time to get over it.


Delusional much?


It's not about the idiot of a president. It's about the failing big government we've had for such a long time (including under Bush) that makes states want to succeed. Why should they be trampled upon by the federal government? It's the united states, not the slave states. When the federal government oversteps the states government, you get upset people.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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As much as I want to see some results from this, there will be none.
This thing isn't really a "petition" as some people would think a "petition" would be.

More like a Q&A. You complain, they respond. Look at the past "petitions".

I am really interested in what their response is though. It's pretty cool this thing happened though, it brought publicity to the "petition" site and now lots of "petitions" are getting through, so these responses will be fun to read.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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I'm glad to see that there are people out there supporting freedom and liberty.

The 51st state also needs help to get its independence. If you would please kindly help by signing the petition here, it would be greatly appreciated:

petitions.whitehouse.gov...

Thank you very much for anyone that has the courage to help.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by 1BornPatriot
I consider that contract broken by the Government the morning of 911 ... the question is why would anyone want to keep a dead contract alive... ??? oh well, I guess it takes all kinds even those who dont understand.


Hey guess what? no one is stopping you from leaving and renouncing your citizenship!



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Also, I see an opportunity here...

This means I can lose my citizenship and can cross back across the border.. As an illegal I will now qualify for all types of benefits for free... free legal help, free food stamps, free medical care,

we can even form our civil rights organization and exclude others who are not southern

and the beauty of it, when you go to enforce your laws we can legally say it is discrimination because you do not have enough of our people...we would be the minority and that is racial profiling... we will get some of the best jobs because you have to now include so many of the backwoods people under affirmative action

We do not have to meet all of the standards for the colleges because you have to now admit so many of our people into the college otherwise it is discrimination...

This also means we can practice our religion and preach evil things all we want. you have to tolerate it because cultural sensitivity is now the law.. you just do not understand the burdens the backwoods souls have because your are not us...

I am all for it...

I can open up a chain of gas stations... I can yell discrimination when you do not speak red neck, I can demand your english/ spanish menus now include southern...

I can kill people and demand extradition back to my home country


I think I am going to go sign both petitions now




so you want to hand the country right back over now... it would save a ton of paperwork...



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Don't just sign the petition lol

practice what you preach



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by ripcontrol
Also, I see an opportunity here...

This means I can lose my citizenship and can cross back across the border.. As an illegal I will now qualify for all types of benefits for free... free legal help, free food stamps, free medical care,

Its good to have aspirations..to one day qualify for food stamps and free medical.

Lets say I am a Genie....

WISH GRANTED!

(ever play dungeons and dragons where someone made a really bad wish from a wish ring? heh)



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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what happened to your thread on you leaving texas?


LOL...



It is quite revealing people are willing to consider forcing exile on others for having an opinion different then theirs...



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