New petition on Whitehouse.gov: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede

Originally posted by six67seven
reply to post by mudbeed

 

This will all be forgotten in 2 weeks max.

See, this is what happens - the few ruin it for the rest of us and they get an abundance of attention for being an idiot.

Happy Holidays!

I hate to blame the Internet but screw it.

This YouTube Starbucks generation of idiots are all about now now now.

For them, satisfaction will never come.

So in the cliffnotes version grab a hand and hold on tight god dont let your countrymen down....never let go cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride but I say.......let it fail.....its the only way to start anew!

Originally posted by muse7

Can you tell me one thing that you can't do now, that you could do 20 years ago?

Leave my car unlocked.
Leave my house unlocked.
Walk a block without being on camera.
Walk in a black neighborhood without being shot or beaten up.
Walk in a white neighborhood without being shot or beaten up.
Not being called an a-hole because I liked a different political party.
Not be felt up in an airport.
Not be stopped just because I was on a highway.
Pay my bills.
Say Merry Christmas.
Pray in public.
Say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Not have my mail read.
There are more but you should get the idea.

Originally posted by MissCoyote
So in the cliffnotes version grab a hand and hold on tight god dont let your countrymen down....never let go cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride but I say.......let it fail.....its the only way to start anew!

Said no one...

Letting something fail is really pathetic as long as you have a breath in your body to try.

Glad you aren't my boss, teacher, parent, coworker or anyone else that made a difference in my life.

Letting it fail is what people that embrace failure do.

At the end of the day, you're just being a slacker.

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Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

Yes I am from Texas,

Austin voted for Obama, does that mean that if Texas does secede does Austin get to secede from Texas?

25,000 signatures do not represent 25,000,000 people.

Obama won, time to get over it. Maybe the Republicans can give us a better candidate in 2016

edit on 11/13/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

Austin?
LOL....that figures.

Still keepin' it weird over there, are ya?

I would love the Government to strip my citizenship! That will assure me all the welfare, medicaid ,medicare, and food stamps I could ever need to prosper just like all of the ILLEGAL immigrants here now.

Then maybe the government would bend over backwards to give me everything, instead of bending me over and taking everything.

Originally posted by madenusa
reply to post by rickm

 

By Fred Brownbill on November 7, 2012 in Constitution Legal Watch www.saveamericafoundation.com...

You are posting for us to see how ridiculous he is??

For four long, debilitating years I have begged; remove Obama by any and every legal means available to us. I can only pray that the wheels of justice and Constitutional sanity grip the pavement before more brave Americans die needlessly and the Republic dies from benign neglect. Wake up! Wake up! Wake up!

Justice and constitutional sanity - that would mean:

1/ accepting the vote of the people (constitutional sanity)
2/ accepting that you don't get to secede (constitutional sanity)
3/ accepting that the election was legal and rejecting birther stupidity (justice)

somehow the rest of his diatribe doesn't actually ring true with his fine aims...

Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by muse7

Can you tell me one thing that you can't do now, that you could do 20 years ago?

Leave my car unlocked.
Leave my house unlocked.
Walk a block without being on camera.
Walk in a black neighborhood without being shot or beaten up.
Walk in a white neighborhood without being shot or beaten up.
Not being called an a-hole because I liked a different political party.
Not be felt up in an airport.
Not be stopped just because I was on a highway.
Pay my bills.
Say Merry Christmas.
Pray in public.
Say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Not have my mail read.
There are more but you should get the idea.

I didn't know that we can no longer erect fallacious strawmen. If anything, I'd say we tend to do so more today than we did 20 years ago.

"Pay my bills." "Say the Pledge of Allegiance." Do you even think before you type?

(Rhetorical question; don't answer that.)

reply to post by Unidentified_Objective


And Obama refused the 5 million to show his college transcripts.
Does that mean anything to anybody?
It does me.

Originally posted by comawhite12
I would love the Government to strip my citizenship! That will assure me all the welfare, medicaid ,medicare, and food stamps I could ever need to prosper just like all of the ILLEGAL immigrants here now.

Then maybe the government would bend over backwards to give me everything, instead of bending me over and taking everything.

Truth is without the government you would fail unless you are Amish.

Our communities wouldn't handle it without generations of growing pains.

Originally posted by Nite_wing
reply to post by Unidentified_Objective

 

And Obama refused the 5 million to show his college transcripts.
Does that mean anything to anybody?
It does me.

No. Made up facts that you can only find in the depths of the Internet definitely don't bother me at all.

I find this highly amusing. And extremely interesting.

When I was watching the farce of the RNC and seeing them stripping the rights of their own party faithful (to cheers no less!) I knew that the extremism would rise, and this is what we are now seeing.

All those fears of the "riots" if Obama lost have become actual intentions by the right wing to create instability in the nation. I guess the notion of extremists on the right wasn't considered by many who assumed Obama would lose?

The Republican party has sunk, anyone with half a brain knows that the party is dividing, with the extremist element banging their Bibles and waving their guns, while the moderate and sane Republicans try to move forward and think ahead.

This is not just speculation, the data shows that the Republican party is out of touch with women, minorities and youth, they cannot sustain their party now in the way it has been, and they need to change or fade into nothing. There is no debate here, no amount of denial by the right will change the fact that there are now larger numbers of Americans who do not accept what they stand for. There are now two factions making up the Republican party, and they don't agree.

So, what does this mean for Republicans? It means you need to pick a side soon. The Republican party is about to split into two. On the one hand you'll have a more centre-right party, focusing on economic issues and releasing their death-grip on the Bible and their intentions to control the masses to meet their religious beliefs, and then you'll have the break away party (probably modelled on the Tea Party) who wave their constitutions and their Bibles and point their guns at anyone they think is a "socialist hippy".

What we are seeing in these petitions is the extremist element, the break away party, mouthing off in their disappointment, not just disappointment in the fact that Obama won a second term, but disappointment in the perceived "weakness" of their own party. It might include plenty who are confused about the whole issue and don't actually understand why they want their state to break away, but I would suggest that the majority are fundamentalist Republicans.

This shouldn't really be that much of a surprise to anyone. Just as church numbers are falling, so is racism, homophobia, intolerance and the general dictatorial mindset of many of those in the Republican party. This is not just my ranting and making generalizations. Think about it before you start calling me out on "labelling" the party. You only have two teams, who is a racist going to vote for? Who is a preacher going to support? Which party is more suited to homophobes? These extremists only have two choices, so who will they choose? Yeah, the Republican party.

Like it or not, the Republican party is the party of choice for those extreme elements.

Finally I would like to say that I think it's great that these people want to leave the union. I've always believed in smaller government, and I truly think that people are happier with smaller government and more tightly knit communities where self-reliance is promoted. But they will fail of course. None of those petitions are actually going to get the majority of any state signing it, because the extremist elements I mentioned are themselves a minority.

So, instead of worrying and arguing about whether any state will leave (they won't, not on the basis of a few thousand nut-jobs), it would be better to consider what else this means. In my opinion, it means that the splitting of the Republican party is not too far away.

That's a great thing, because you'll have two more reasonable parties to deal with, and one far-right party to distract all the crazies while not actually getting anywhere at all. They'll be getting the funding of all the radical businessmen and the religious groups, leaving the real politicians to get on with the real work.

Ultimately, you'll end up with more parties to choose from. You'll have something similar to what we have in the UK. You'll have the Dem's supporting civil liberties and freedoms, equality and social issues (like our Labour party), then you'll have the Republican party which is more conservative but centre leaning, the one for all the business leaders and moderate religious groups to support (like our Conservative party), then you'll have something like the Tea Party, full of Bible-thumping, gun-totin', racists, homophobes and bigots (like our British National Party).

This is a good thing!

reply to post by rockintitz


Our founding fathers wanted only white males who owned property to vote. They were a little deficient in some areas. I don't know much about the constitution but I believe there is a provision where a certain majority of the states could ratify an amendment that could dissolve the union. Secession I don't think is an option.I could be wrong. At what point does secession become an official position of the state and what form does this take? Does it begin by demanding the federal government remove any and all properties and enterprises, or face reparations in form of rent.When dose the fed bring force to take control of the state government and what kind of defense can the state manage?

The present actions are pretty minimal and may just represent a knee jerk reaction, but things grow and a tiny spark can bring about a huge fire. From a small seed the tree of liberty grows. The United States may be ready for a redefinition I think it's a long shot.

reply to post by rockintitz


You can't strip the citizenship from someone for Speaking, writing, or whatever.

It's protected speech... Even secessionist talk and petitions is protected speech.

And, all things being considered, people who want to secede from the union are ALREADY wanting to get rid of their citizenship.

I mean... this whole "Anti-Succession" thing is just slavery talk.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Why should I? Do we live in the same period as when the constitution was drafted? Do we face the same threats? You really think everyone should have access to any weapon they want, and whenver they want?

I think there should be some limitiations otherwise we will become somalia with people carrying rpgs on their back and crying allah akbar.

and once again, you demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge where matters of history and sense are concerned.

the second amendment was created to ensure that the citizenry would have the means to defend itself from either a foreign invader, or federal army, should the government become tyrannical, and turn on the people.

Originally posted by Nite_wing
And Obama refused the 5 million to show his college transcripts.
Does that mean anything to anybody?
It does me.

Of course it does, it means Obama will not play trump's silly games. or Trump is controlled by whatever creature his hair is.

But some people do not like the fact that Obama is the legal President.

reply to post by mudbeed

I didn't say to abolish the government. I said for the government to strip my citizenship because I signed the petition. And I did sign it.
I am 40, and was raised in the country until I was 20. I learned how to survive on our land and provide for ourselves. I no longer live in the "country", but I have no doubt my family and I would get by just fine.

reply to post by rockintitz


WHO are the "We the People of the United States" that the constitution refers to who formed the "Union"? Most patriots jump to the conclusion that it includes every American "Sovereign" Citizen, don't they? But is that conclusion correct? Where in the document is the term defined, which could support that conclusion?

It is a contract between: the States, the founders (through their insider legal establishments of those incorporated States), and the king of England. The constitution itself was not signed by any human, it was only signed "In witness" on behalf of the States. Since you are not a party to that contract, then you can't possibly have ANY rights under that contract.

In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

...In Convention Monday, September 17th 1787. Present The States (note well: NOT the human "signers"/witnesses!) of New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Mr. Hamilton from New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia."

If you don't believe read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520 which states 'But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it.'..."

reply to post by Sink the Bismarck!


In other words "Obama won, let him do what he want (and I will follow like sheep) for the next four years!"
I'm sorry but for all your attempts to "appear" smart you haven't learned a thing from history, people were talking just like you before the last American civil war!
This country is no longer the country it was, go ahead like all liberals, stick your head in the sand and let others take care of you!