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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
how can any state secede without first paying off its share of the debt? 25,000 votes does not sound like much considering there are over 13 million registered voters in texas. www.sos.state.tx.us...


Sorry "pay their share of the debt" the only debt Texas is responsible is the debt of Texas not any other state in the union.

Which means if Texas owes anyone they owe those 13 million voters:

Not dc fat cats
Not California
Not New York

No one.




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Screwed
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Not only do you have other states that will inevitably follow Texas' lead but you have people IN those states who want no part of any of this but will be dragged along with it or be forced to move to a Union state.

We shall see.


Exactly. It's not like they have to move to another continent. It's like the relatively peaceful collapse of the USSR. Surely you don't expect a centralized government the size of the US to be able to maintain power indefinitely.

Our collapse in our current form is inevitable. We can still maintain a "union" with a mutual Bill of Rights but I think that will be the extent of it. I'm a globalist so this is a confusing pill for me to swallow, believe me.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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not corrupt just misleading, and the actual count will be check on and made sure that they have the numbers before the next step.

As it is succession is not illegal. We have rights.....i think some forget about the constitution.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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I want to decentralize our government and Texas breaking off with two big middle fingers pointed at the rest of us would be a great start. Texas could be our Egypt and start something beautiful. I don't want to see the abolishment of the US but I'd certainly like to see the focus to be back state sovereignty.


Seconded. In order for it to work the states would have to have control over their currencies and economies first. Top down centralized banking is at least as responsible as centralized government for our dilemma. Together they are toxic to all life forms.

Only one state had the foresight to maintain that kind of control, North Dakota, which is still running in the black while all the rest are teetering on the cliff and are almost totally dependent on federal money.

www.alternet.org...



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Not only do you have other states that will inevitably follow Texas' lead but you have people IN those states who want no part of any of this but will be dragged along with it or be forced to move to a Union state.


Aw shucks didn't have a problem with draggin 59 + million Ameircans who did not want the current potus.

Oh well come on who is really all for that fair play fair share now?

Oh only when it suit their ideology screw everyone else.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by fenceSitter
If Texans want to withdraw from the US - should it contain 25,000 Texan signatures? Chances are if the White House does respond to the petition, this would be one of the first things they should point out. I strongly doubt this will gain much traction but if enough citizens want to go it alone - all the power to you!



I don't currently live in Texas, but I've spent ten years of my life there. If by some chance Texas achieves independence, I'll be heading back there.

I was number 78,255 when I signed the petition. If Washington were smart (I know ... I know), they would let some of the states leave the union to act as a pressure valve.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Texas produces too much oil, refining capability, military infrastructure, and money for the Union to ever think about letting it leave peacefully.

For what all the haters might say about it, Texas is irreplaceable for what it provides to America.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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As I mentioned in another thread there may be a legitimate case for secession by any state:

Just a quick thought I have been mulling over for the last 2-3 years.

I believe that every state has the right to secede from the Union based on the violation of article 4 section 4 of the constitution.

My thought process on the issue:

United States Constitution Article 4 Section 4 reads in part:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, …

The 17th amendment provides for the direct election of US Senators.

Carefully reading Article 4, you should notice that the STATES are guaranteed a republican form of government. Since the states no longer have a vote (appointment of senators by their legislatures) in the United States government, this guarantee of a republican form of government to the STATES has been violated. The states as signatories to the constitution are direct parties in the contract represented by the US constitution. Since the contract has been breached, the parties are free to nullify the compact.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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There is no state sovereignty. There hasn't been since 1789. If there was, then the Civil War would not have happened.

State sovereignty is a myth perpetuated by Southern Revisionists. We may be the United States, but those states are not Sovereign States. The States in the Union are Federated States.


A federated state (which may be referred to as a state, a province, a canton, a Land, etc.) is a territorial and constitutional community forming part of a federal union. Such states differ from sovereign states, in that they have transferred a portion of their sovereign powers to a federal government.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Dreine
Texas produces too much oil, refining capability, military infrastructure, and money for the Union to ever think about letting it leave peacefully.

For what all the haters might say about it, Texas is irreplaceable for what it provides to America.


Yep but according to most people, we are all just a bunch of toothless, inbred rednecks.
Youre correct though, the feds would never allow Texas to leave, not that it would ever happen anyway.
Remember what happened the last time states tried to secede from the union? 500k Americans died.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Let Texas succeed so that Mexico can reclaim its
former territory.

Mexico may not wait for the ink to dry on the new Texas
constitution before moving in.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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i do not agree. there are many things the us government has provided texas by it being a part of the union. we are all in this together, u want out? fine, pay off your share of the debt and be on your way, oh and good luck,



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Pay off my share of the debt?

I didn't spend it so I don't owe anything and let's get real there is not a person who is going to pay their share.

The only thing they will do is keep taxing,keep taking, and keep spending on those who are not paying a freaking cent.

As if anyone is going to be telling me what I have to pay for.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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You sure about that? Because last I checked states with higher revune pay more in taxes so the less wealthy states will receive more funding. You should look into that. www.thedailybeast.com...



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by SG-17
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There is no state sovereignty. There hasn't been since 1789. If there was, then the Civil War would not have happened.

State sovereignty is a myth perpetuated by Southern Revisionists. We may be the United States, but those states are not Sovereign States. The States in the Union are Federated States.


A federated state (which may be referred to as a state, a province, a canton, a Land, etc.) is a territorial and constitutional community forming part of a federal union. Such states differ from sovereign states, in that they have transferred a portion of their sovereign powers to a federal government.


I think your post was directed to the wrong person, I never said states are sovereign. They were under the Articles of Confederation, but that ended with the Constitution. And then it REALLY ended when the federal government (the district of columbia) became a "municipality" in 1791.

www.archives.gov...

If you look up the definition of Columbia ...
(kə-lŭm'bē-ə)
n.
The United States.

www.answers.com...



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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while i give thumbs up to Texas, I assure you the white house wont let one of there highest fuctioning states to leave..... I agree wont see much about about it



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
i do not agree. there are many things the us government has provided texas by it being a part of the union. we are all in this together, u want out? fine, pay off your share of the debt and be on your way, oh and good luck,




Fair share of the debt? Are you referring to the debt incurred by FRAUDULENT collusion between the federal government, Wall Street, the central banksters and foreign interests?

No legitimate court would ever enforce a contract that had fraud as the basis for it's existence. As far as I'm concerned, the federals and governments of other countries are forcing this fraudulent debt on their respective citizens by gunpoint.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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No I disagree. It is fine they can get out of paying the debt because the US can make so much more from water rights (remember they are going through droughts) and selling them nuclear fuel to power those reactors. We may want to pull back our forces off the military bases like FT Hood, FT Bliss, FT Worth, and Fort Sam Houston of course most of those towns depend on the military to stay afloat or they could stay there like the bases we have in Europe. There are plenty of opportunities for the US to make money off something like this and we would save billions by not having to clean up after hurricanes. It is a win win for the US.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Texas does happen to have in their possession, the entire dismantled nuclear weapons arsenal. So they do actually have a bargaining chip



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Well, they are now joined by people in 20 other states. This could catch on and blaze a trail of opposition to BO's centralized Nanny State. They already have their own Border Patrol and I bet the National Guard would join them.

There are lots of people who are not willing to become the United Soviet Socialist States of America.
This is why the BO admin had to put down as many militia groups as possible. It's also why he and his minions had to minimize the Tea Party opposition to his redistributionist Big Govt agenda.
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