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Who Killed JFK? Wanna Know?

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posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:44 PM
Than you are either blind or in denial . You can clearly see a reflection from thetop of the Colt .45 when the driver is returning his left hand after the shot . JFK was killed because he vowed to go against the system in place and expose all the wicked things the CIA and other secretive branches were doing . Give William Cooper's book a read , Behold A Pale Horse . In this book he exposes ALOT and even predicts the Fast and Furious scandal and Sandy Hook which lends to the validity of the information . The book was written in 1991 .

posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 09:35 AM
It was Emory Roberts who called off the agents. The agent on the passenger's side threw his hands up three times in disbelief.

posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:56 PM
Here is Killtown's case that was reproduced from his website and his contributing correspondent "wildwood". So, here you go:

No witnesses made any reference to shots from inside the presidential limousine...(?)

1.Bobby Hargis (Police motorcycle outrider, left rear of limousine):
Mr. Stern: Do you recall your impression at the time regarding the shots?
Hargis: “Well, at the time it sounded like the shots were right next to me,” 6WCH294.

2. Austin Miller (railroad worker, on triple overpass):
Mr. Belin: “Where did the shots sound like they came from?”
Miller: “Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say right there in the car,” 6WCH225.

3. Charles Brehm (carpet salesman, south curb of Elm St.): “Drehm seemed to think the shots came from in front or beside the President. He explained the President did not slump forward as if he would have after being shot from the rear,” “President Dead, Connally Shot,” The Dallas Times Herald, 22 November 1963, p.2

4. Officer E. L. Boone (policeman, corner of Main and Houston Streets):" I heard three shots coming from the vicinity of where the President's car was,” 19WCH508.

5. Jack Franzen: (south curb of Elm): “He said he heard the sound of an explosion which appeared to him to come from the President's car and ...small fragments flying inside the vehicle and immediately assumed someone had tossed a firecracker inside the automobile,” 22WCH840.

6. Mrs. Jack Franzen (south curb of Elm): “Shortly after the President’s automobile passed by…she heard a noise which sounded as if someone had thrown a firecracker into the President’s automobile…at approximately the same time she noticed dust or small pieces of debris flying from the President’s automobile,” 24WCH525.

7. James Altgens: (photographer, south curb of Elm):“The last shot sounded like it came from the left side of the car, if it was close range because, if it were a pistol it would have to be fired at close range for any degree of accuracy," 7WCH518.

8. Hugh Betzner, Jr. (south curb of Elm, nr junction with Houston): “I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air,” I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car 19WCH467

"Handgun used"

"1. Dr. Charles R. Baxter, in Bill Sloan. JFK: Breaking the Silence (Dallas, Texas: Taylor Publishing Co., 1993), p.92: "Although Dr. Baxter…declined to be interviewed for this book, Baxter did issue a brief comment in October 1992 through the school's public information office in which he described the throat wound as being "very small" and looking as though "it might have come from a handgun."

2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: “Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity handgun bullet fired at close range,”

3. Iona Antonov, “On the Trail of the President’s Killers: part 2,” New Times, 1977, pp.26-30: New York Daily News quoted friends of John Rosselli to the effect that Oswald a decoy “while others ambushed” Kennedy from closer range.

4. Dr. Robert McClelland: "The cause of death was due to a massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple," (CE 392).

5. Parkland Dr. McClelland's testimony as reproduced in Hearings volume 6, p.38: "Dr. McClelland judged that the wound in the President's skull could be expected '…from a very high velocity missile…with a heavy calibre bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range…' This would particularly apply to the skull '…where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.'"

6. A.J. Millican: “It sounded like a .45 automatic, or a high-powered rifle.”

7. S.M. Holland: “It would be like you’re firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun.”

8. “Garrison says assassin killed Kennedy from sewer manhole,” New York Times, 11 December 1967, p.28: Report of Garrison claim on WFAA-TV in Dallas – “The man who killed President Kennedy fired a .45 caliber pistol” and that the bullet entered the “right temple.” Gunman located within manhole on north side of Elm Street. Garrison had just taken possession of a set of photos showing cartridge case being retrieved by unidentified man, under noses of two Dallas police officers, on south curb of Elm.

9. Photo referred to by Garrison contained within Garrison Tapes documentary, timed at 01:22:04:15.

10. Joachim Joesten. The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (London: Peter Dawnay, 1968), pp.248-249: Garrison set to release previously unknown set of photos “which saw a federal agent picking up a large caliber bullet from the lawn on the south side of Elm St, at the spot where Kennedy received his mortal wound. The bullet, which was previously identified as .45, was found amidst splotches of dark grey matter which came from Kennedy’s head…” p.249: “clock above TSBD, clearly visible in one of the pictures, reads 12:40.”

11. Statement of Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Warren Commission Hearings (WCH), Vol. 19, p. 467, taken 11-22-63:

I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm and Houston Streets, this being the southwest corner. I took another picture just as President Kennedy's car rounded the corner. He was just about all the way around the corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was standing back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pulled out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from.

A damn good case if we must throw out the films, I would say:

posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 01:27 PM
Royce Skelton's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)

(Skelton was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BALL - Did you see the President's car turn on Elm Street?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes, sir; I saw the car carrying the Presidential flag turn.
Mr. BALL - And did you hear something soon after that?
Mr. SKELTON - Just about the same time the car straightened up - got around the corner - I heard two shots, but I didn't know at the time they were shots.
Mr. BALL - Where did they seem to come from?
Mr. SKELTON - Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still to far from where I was.
Mr. BALL - Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing?
Mr. SKELTON - No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there - more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumb balls that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement.
Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction?
Mr. SKELTON - Towards the President's car.
Mr. BALL - From the President's car.
Mr. SKELTON - right around the motorcycles and all that - I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away.
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. SKELTON - I stood there from about 12:15 until the time the President was shot.
Mr. BALL - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. SKELTON - I think I heard four - I mean - I couldn't be sure.
Mr. BALL - You think you heard four?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.

posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 12:26 PM

I, apparently identified around two years ago that Zapruder clearly depicted jfk's rear skull breaking open and detaching. This simple fact debunks the conspiracy nonsense that jfk was shot in the head from the rear and then the front. Of course, no normal person would ever believe it because there's only one violent impact seen in Zapruder and Nix. The bullet struck the President's right forehead and exited the opposite side, right rear, the exact location that Kinney described so beautifully.

The first gif file is a recent find that shows his hair and skull extending way beyond the back of the head. The others I made long ago that provide the video evidence that had to be there unless the editors were able to wipe it clean from Zapruder. They weren't successful even remotely around the exact frames that needed the most editing. Kinney's perfect eyewitness account corroborates exactly what Zapruder has always shown, jfk's right rear skull was blown off, which means that hundreds of researchers either ignored these video facts or didn't look close enough. Emory Roberts was the SS agent in charge and rode in the follow-up car along with Kinney, Hill, and several others. He told the agents not to move after the first shots were fired, in other words, "stay still until the fatal shot is fired". The SS agents were the only guilty parties involved that day where conclusive evidence exists of their involvement.



SAMUEL A. KINNEY was the driver of the follow-up car on 11/22/63.
Interviewed three times between 1992 and 1994, Kinney was a rich source
of information. In an exclusive interview conducted on 10/19/92, the
author learned the following new information from Kinney: the agent
admitted that "we (the Secret Service) didn't do our job", adding that
he thinks about the assassination "every night" and has even "dreamed
about it." ...Sam said ", no, no, he had nothing to do with that...(ordering agents off the rear of the limo)...No, never- ...President
Kennedy was one of the easiest presidents to ever protect; Harry S.
Truman was a jewel just like John F. Kennedy was...99% of the agents
would agree...(JFK) was one of the best presidents ever to control-he
trusted every one of us". In regard to the infamous quote from William
Manchester, whereupon Kennedy allegedly said "Keep those Ivy League
charlatans off the back of the car"[ "The Death of a President", p. 37
(1988 version)], Kinney said "That is false. I talked to William
Manchester; he called me on the book [sic]...for the record of history
that is false- Kennedy never ordered us to do anything. I am aware of
what is being said but that is false". .. Sam also told me that JFK had
nothing to do with the limiting of motorcycles during motorcades, and
that Ken O'Donnell did not interfere with the agents : "Nobody ordered
anyone around". ...

In regard to JFK's head wound, Kinney was explicit: "He
had no brain left- it was blown out...there was nothing was)
the back of the head. I saw it (the shot) hit and I saw his hair come
out...I had brain matter all over my windshield and left arm, that's how
close we were to was the right rear part of his head...because
that's the part I saw blow out. I saw hair come out, the piece blow out,
then the skin went back in- an explosion in and out". Elaborating
further, Sam said, after telling him that that's where the Parkland
doctors saw the wound, "I would say that, involved half his
head". Asked to explain the 1500 gram brain at the autopsy, Sam seemed
perplexed, saying that "there was brain matter all over the place".
...Amazingly, when I told Kinney that there was a book- "High Treason"-
that alleged that "[SS agent] Emory Roberts ordered the men not to move", Sam said, "Exactly right"! ... I also attempted to get Kinney to go on the record in
writing, but I was too late: his widow Hazel informed me that Sam passed
away 7/21/97 while they were travelling through Iowa [letter to author
dated 11/20/97].

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posted on Mar, 3 2013 @ 12:25 PM

My name is William Greer, the clown who shot JFK from the driver's seat. I died 38 years ago last month. The conscious burden of killing the President caused enormous stress that led to a stomach ulcer which eventually killed me twenty years later. I drove around lots of rich people but will always be remembered for assassinating no. 35.

posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:43 PM
reply to post by Dryson

In my opinion, based on reading and research done off and on during the last 40 years (yeah, I am that old..I have vague memories of when it actually happened) I have come to the conclusion that the assassination was one condoned by our govt and carried out primarily by Mafia with some support from the CIA as well as the Secret Service.

I firmly believe that LBJ was right in the middle of it as were a number of high ranking individuals in Kennedy's administration.

Too many coincidences at work. Oswald killed by Ruby...Pressure put on the mafia by Jack and his brother (even though dad made his money with mafia ties). The mafia was enlisted for help in the Bay of Pigs operation, and then were targeted for extermination as an entity... Ask yourself how the mafia would react to what boils down to a double-double-cross.

Jack was elected in no small part due to the corrupt political machine in Chicago...think the mafia was involved there? Oh hell yeah. The Kennedy's money came from booze during the you think the mafia was involved there? Oh hell yeah! The Kennedy's asked for mafia help when it came time to execute the Bay of Pigs fiasco and then were left you think the mafia was happy about that? Finally the double cross that broke the camel's back would have been Bobby's campaign against the mafia...

I have looked out the window of the book depository and I can say that the shot is not impossible, but would be difficult. Dailey square is much smaller than it looks on TV. However the final and fatal shot had to have come from the front...this is obvious by the snap of the head, not to mention the vector of skull and brain fragments. There is no way that his head was struck with a bullet and debris went flaying backwards with a shot coming from behind him. Just try shooting watermelons, film the results and see.

It is also clear that Johnson was involved as well. Kennedy was about to pull out of Vietnam in it's entirety and, indeed, had announced that fatal morning his policy against involvement. Funny how Johnson had a policy rewrite already ready to go before Jack's body was even cold... Add to that the fact that just previous to the assassination Jack had made very clear to Johnson that he would not be his running mate in the next election. Johnson was furious and made documented statements that amounted to threats against Jack.

I think the answers are clear and obvious.

posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 09:39 PM
Greer shot Kennedy. No doubt about it.

posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 10:40 PM
reply to post by schuyler

you mentioned actual real time
I remember talk of a smell of a shot in the car and the sound of a shot in the witnesses close by....

posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 10:44 AM
Greer transfers the gun to his left hand and doesn't turn until he has secured it, and his right hand returned to the wheel.

posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 10:50 AM

Originally posted by bekod
the Mob,CIA, and Cuba all had part in killing JFK, not one will ever be found, nor will the shooters that did the deed.
Oswald was a patsy, nothing more nothing less

I beg to was the Russians I tell you!
The downfall of America began with the assasination of John F. Kennedy.

posted on Mar, 7 2013 @ 11:23 AM
Marina Prusakova....

posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 12:25 PM
Greer's left arm does raise to his right shoulder at the moment JFK's head explodes. He did have a gun in his hand and he did fire one in the limo. His left arm retracts after the shot in both other films.

Complete truth.

posted on Mar, 24 2013 @ 10:29 AM

Bob Harris, in his own video ignores the rear exit wound by skipping over frames 312-313. It's right there for everyone to see. The back of the head gapes open perfectly between these two critical frames. The first gif is from his video and the second, much better, found online a few years ago. There is no way to refute what had to be there, was always there, but was ignored by folks like Harris who favored conspiracy garbage like two shots to the head. I suppose Bob could say he didn't notice it, but that would force him to change his view on the most important part of this case, the exit wound and the one shot that entered jfk's right forehead.

posted on Mar, 24 2013 @ 11:38 AM
reply to post by cultureoftruth

What if I told you there were escalating sightings of ufo's prior to the JFK assassination. What if I told you ET doesn't exist and those UFO's were really timecraft. These uniform timecraft are most likely time police there to enforce and ensure history, probably the infamous MiB.

What if this was necessary because numerous time terrorists were hellbent on saving JFK and altering the future having one with him included. 2 bullets to make sure the first one doesn't leave any loose ends.

posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 10:27 AM
I am not an arrogant or know it all person. I became obsessed with Zapruder in 7-09 and my work kept uprooting more evidence that Greer shot Kennedy. The cover-up is that Hollywood and hundreds of authors covered the truth by promoting the grassy knoll to the american public when the obvious assassin was right there in jfk's limo. They simply ignored the truth and promoted the government created theory which was an alternative to the absurd conclusions of the Warren Commission.
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posted on Mar, 27 2013 @ 12:15 PM
This first gif from Bob Harris's video depicts the bottom rear caving in and the top back separating from the skull. This is consistent with my work from the other yt clip. Seeing is believing.

posted on Mar, 27 2013 @ 10:47 PM
The fake reflection does recoil and separate from Roy's head because it's fake and basically replaced the real gun that Greer fired at the President. This was the first landmark proof I discovered almost three years ago. What you're seeing here is a cartoon of the gun, his left hand and arm. It was apparently necessary to add these movements in order to eventually release the film for public consumption.

posted on Mar, 29 2013 @ 01:08 PM

Bill Greer was a ss agent for almost 18 years when he assassinated JFK. He died in 1985.

Greer was born on a farm in Stewartstown, County Tyrone, Ireland, and emigrated to the United States in 1929.[1] After working for over a decade as a chauffeur and servant to several wealthy families in the Boston and New York areas, including the Lodge family and several years with Franklin Q. Brown of Dobbs Ferry, NY (the 1940 census has him as a live-in servant of Franklin Brown of Dobbs Ferry and in Greer's Warren Commission testimony he said that he worked for a "private family" in Dobbs Ferry for "13 years" before enlisting into the Navy in 1942), Greer enlisted in the U.S. Navy in World War II, was assigned to the presidential yacht in May, 1944, was discharged on September 18, 1945 and then joined the United States Secret Service on October 1, 1945.

Greer took a role close to Kennedy, and can be seen in several pictures with the Kennedy family. He chauffeured the president on many occasions, including the day of the assassination. Like all agents involved, he has been the target of much speculation and criticism for his actions on that day. He testified before the Warren Commission regarding the incident.

Greer retired on disability from the Secret Service in 1966 due to a stomach ulcer that grew worse following the Kennedy assassination.[2][3] In 1973 he relocated to Waynesville, North Carolina, where he eventually died of cancer. Greer's son Richard told author Vince Palamara in 1991 that his father "had absolutely no survivor's guilt."[
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posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 11:37 AM

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