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Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
I don't know.... is it possible to not percieve?
And I am capable of attaching no value (I don't believe anything has inherent value or meaning)
But then I remain indifferent.... and somewhere I came to the conclusion that that is a waste of my experience here......
I think......simply being aware that my values are my values, that my preferences and ethics are mine (not universal) helps.
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Do you mean percieving without bias?
Or perceiving without subjectivity?
Because I can't grasp perceiving without perception- the word perception refers to "the act of percieving"......
(i hope nobody is going to get upset because we're slightly off topic, I enjoy organic exchanges.....)
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Bluesma
Your Golden Rule is based upon the concept that it is applicable to everyone. It is not.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Bluesma
Your Golden Rule is based upon the concept that it is applicable to everyone. It is not.
That was exactly my point. We see and hear often people saying that this is the "Golden Rule" because it is applicable to all situations, and really all you need to determine ethical behavior.
I refute that.
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Positive perception? Negative perception? I cannot fit that into my understanding!
Perception is neutral. The application of values (good/bad: positive/negative: right/wrong) is a separate process, done within the mind, according to the individual preferences and values.
The perception itself is just reception of what is.
I perceive an object, in space, with certain characteristics- color, shape, smell, texture....
That is the perception.
Then the digestion begins and my mind determines I call it an apple, the location is three feet in front of my body, that color is red, that shape is round, that texture is smooth....
THEN the application of values- I want (or don't want) the apple.... apples are good for one to eat, good for health, this apple should or shouldn't be there right now, it is good or bad to take it ......
I do not experience positive/negative application as being simultaneous with perception!
And yes, I can experience the perception without the application of values ( and even without the application of language) but like I said, then I become indifferent. I am inert. I have no reason to do anything, I have no direction, I point my intent in no direction. Fine while meditating... but to spend a whole life? You'd have to be hospitalized so that someone would determine it is a "good" thing to feed your body, or cover it from the cold!
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Positive perception? Negative perception? I cannot fit that into my understanding!
Perception is neutral. The application of values (good/bad: positive/negative: right/wrong) is a separate process, done within the mind, according to the individual preferences and values.
The perception itself is just reception of what is.
I perceive an object, in space, with certain characteristics- color, shape, smell, texture....
That is the perception.
Then the digestion begins and my mind determines I call it an apple, the location is three feet in front of my body, that color is red, that shape is round, that texture is smooth....
THEN the application of values- I want (or don't want) the apple.... apples are good for one to eat, good for health, this apple should or shouldn't be there right now, it is good or bad to take it ......
I do not experience positive/negative application as being simultaneous with perception!
And yes, I can experience the perception without the application of values ( and even without the application of language) but like I said, then I become indifferent. I am inert. I have no reason to do anything, I have no direction, I point my intent in no direction. Fine while meditating... but to spend a whole life? You'd have to be hospitalized so that someone would determine it is a "good" thing to feed your body, or cover it from the cold!
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by Sissel
People here DO offer what they would like to recieve, but in many cases, I didn't want the same, so at first, I didn't recognize that. I thought they were not following that Golden rule- but they were.
Originally posted by chloe2850
That is so typical everywhere, I grew up with the Golden rule that you should never give and expect something in return. Nearly everyone expects something for free, or if they do something you should repay the favour which I think is wrong.
What ever happened to the give from your heart!!!
Originally posted by lee anoma
reply to post by Bluesma
The golden rule?
Here you go:
Still relevant to this very day...
- Lee
Originally posted by jaduguru
I would suggest that you WILL "Do to others the way YOU WANT to treat Others" .. NOT "treat others the way you want to be treated". I completely agree with you OP.
Its a one way street..
You choose to be who you Are .. Or you choose to be who you are NOT at any given time just to be accepted.
I am ME .. Period ..
If you dont like me .. fine .. Im not here to please YOU.
I will treat you however the way I want to treat you. Im not here in this life to cowtoe to anyone.
I have to remember that there are reprocusions (sp) to my actions/words .. but I am who I am. ..
Peace.
JG.