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Originally posted by kozmo
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS H. Christ!!! Apparently a whole host of people have no freaking clue how this country was founded!!!
I posted this in another thread and it bears repeating here (To educate the ignorant!):
First of all, the "United States of America" is EXACTLY what it is titled - a UNITED STATES. Each state is a sovereign entity that has entered into agreement with the Federal Government to be a part of these United States. The 10th Amendment speaks specifically to state's rights and GUARANTEES that the power remain the sole discretion of the State, NOT the federal government. In fact, the Constitution of The United States grants very specific powers to the federal government and nothing more than what is stated in the Constitution. In essence, the Constitution is the contract between the sovereign citizens of the several states and the federal government. Currently, the federal government is in horrible breach of contract rendering it null and void.
Given that there are people waking up and taking notice of this, one shouldn't be surprised to see a "Free" people working to ensure that their freedom and liberty are kept intact. The last time this happened, Abraham Lincoln violated the sovereignty of several of the states and imposed the federal government's will on them militarily. I understand that he is celebrated by today's standards, but that is simply a part of the propaganda taught in schools to give the illusion that the federal government is the supra power and not the states. The REAL issue was not slavery, as is the propagandist approach, but rather the secession of several of the states who felt that the federal government was imposing upon their freedom.
Lastly, has anyone looked at an election map??? The only places advocating for the liberalism we presently have in office are in the urban centers - and even those are fairly split. I say give the West coast and New England to the liberals. Let the rest of us enjoy or freedom and liberty in "Flyover Country" free from such intrusion. It would only take a matter of months for those liberal bastions to be bankrupt and, conversely, only a matter of months for the rest of us to have balanced budgets, fair taxation and smaller government. THEN let's see where people want to live!!!
Originally posted by kozmo
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS H. Christ!!! Apparently a whole host of people have no freaking clue how this country was founded!!!
I posted this in another thread and it bears repeating here (To educate the ignorant!):
First of all, the "United States of America" is EXACTLY what it is titled - a UNITED STATES. Each state is a sovereign entity that has entered into agreement with the Federal Government to be a part of these United States. The 10th Amendment speaks specifically to state's rights and GUARANTEES that the power remain the sole discretion of the State, NOT the federal government. In fact, the Constitution of The United States grants very specific powers to the federal government and nothing more than what is stated in the Constitution. In essence, the Constitution is the contract between the sovereign citizens of the several states and the federal government. Currently, the federal government is in horrible breach of contract rendering it null and void.
Given that there are people waking up and taking notice of this, one shouldn't be surprised to see a "Free" people working to ensure that their freedom and liberty are kept intact. The last time this happened, Abraham Lincoln violated the sovereignty of several of the states and imposed the federal government's will on them militarily. I understand that he is celebrated by today's standards, but that is simply a part of the propaganda taught in schools to give the illusion that the federal government is the supra power and not the states. The REAL issue was not slavery, as is the propagandist approach, but rather the secession of several of the states who felt that the federal government was imposing upon their freedom.
Lastly, has anyone looked at an election map??? The only places advocating for the liberalism we presently have in office are in the urban centers - and even those are fairly split. I say give the West coast and New England to the liberals. Let the rest of us enjoy or freedom and liberty in "Flyover Country" free from such intrusion. It would only take a matter of months for those liberal bastions to be bankrupt and, conversely, only a matter of months for the rest of us to have balanced budgets, fair taxation and smaller government. THEN let's see where people want to live!!!
Originally posted by otherpotato
Our black president was re-elected. Twenty female senators will take office. Gay marriage is legal in 1/5 of the U.S.. Three states legalized marijuana. NH has the first ever ALL-WOMAN delegation (!). And Wisconsin elects the first openly gay senator.
The people have spoken. If the people don't speak for you, then by all means leave. It's your right.
Originally posted by DaMod
You know.. A lot of the time I think people create threads just for the sake of it... Perhaps if the OP offered something of substance instead of just picking a school yard fight and acting like a toddler I would be more apt to contribute..
What you gonna do OP? Taunt us a second time?
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P.S. State level legislation has nothing to do with Obama being re-elected.... Perhaps you should take a government class because it's a fair assumption you have no idea wtf you are talking about.edit on 12-11-2012 by DaMod because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by soundguy
reply to post by kozmo
I have to laugh, cliche much? Of course wing nuts have never been known for originality. And you would do well in this case to not try and match wit or intelligence with me. I am pretty sure we could drop the 1 in front my iq score and I would still be able to hold my ground. Of course if I could dumb myself down enough I might have a chance to understand how the mouth breathers among us think, and I would like that. Because reading posts like yours reminds me of going to the zoo. But it does make me feel dirty to slum at this level. I think I will go wash in my nice clean well regulated water supply.
Our black president was re-elected. Twenty female senators will take office. Gay marriage is legal in 1/5 of the U.S.. Three states legalized marijuana. NH has the first ever ALL-WOMAN delegation (!). And Wisconsin elects the first openly gay senator. The people have spoken. If the people don't speak for you, then by all means leave. It's your right.
Originally posted by NysgjerrigDame
reply to post by otherpotato
From the outside looking in, it seems that Americans only are proud of their country if their team is winning. Does that not show weakness in integrity? That is like entering a marriage, but only for the good times and you reserve the right to walk out if you aren't having any fun anymore. Does that make any sense to most of you?
Originally posted by zonetripper2065
reply to post by otherpotato
I don't give a hoot about any of those things. But I still want to secede. You can keep the tsa, ndaa, fbi, cia, all thats yours man enjoy. You can be an a member of the ussa I'll be the real Americanedit on 11-11-2012 by zonetripper2065 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by zonetripper2065
reply to post by otherpotato
I don't give a hoot about any of those things. But I still want to secede. You can keep the tsa, ndaa, fbi, cia, all thats yours man enjoy. You can be an a member of the ussa I'll be the real Americanedit on 11-11-2012 by zonetripper2065 because: (no reason given)