Question about "Higher Frequencies" or "Vibrational Density", page


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Topic started on 11-11-2012 @ 08:13 PM by Stunspot
Ok, so one of the most common models amongst fringe thinkers involves some formulation of "higher frequency reality". They may be talking about astral bodies or 2012 Grand Transitions or any number of, let's be frank, weirdo models of reality.

Now, I am well versed in physics, mathematics, psychology, and western esoteric mystical traditions, as well as plain ol' shamantic traditions from all over, and I've never heard a SINGLE reasonable answer to the following question:

A higher frequency of WHAT?

Frequency is the measure of how often a wave's peak (or trough) passes by a given observational perspective in a given amount of time. So when people talk about their astral body being at a "higher frequency", to what wave are they referring? At best, such things are purely informational constructs (at worst, mostly or wholely imaginary). What is supposed to be waving at a higher frequency? And don't say "Energy!". Energy is a relationship, not a thing. It's not like a tank of gas, where you have so much of it and it's a thing, and you can measure it. The only physically meaningful way to address 'energy' is to talk about _differences_ in energy between two things/events/places. (Want proof? What's your kinetic energy right now? Did you account for the Earth's rotation, revolution, galatic rotation, and universal expansion?) Relativity brings this into stark relief. Saying "a higher frequency of energy" is EXACTLY the same as saying "a higher frequency of Up or of Left". Things have energies (measured relative to local ground) and frequencies, but energy is NOT a thing - it's a property of things.

When people talk about the earth moving into a new space, energetically, and how everything is ramping up its vibrational frequency, to what physical property are they referring? It's certainly not anything from quantum mechanics, since our electronics still work and Schroedinger's Equation still holds true.

Is this a case of ignorant people co-opting the well-defined language describing physical reality to express a metaphor while hiding its essential metaphorical nature, or are they referring to something real that they are just bad at talking about, or are they speaking well about a basic fundamental physical property of which I am unaware? If it's the later, what is the nature of this property and how is it measured? My gut instinct is to think "These people are morons who don't know what the words they use actually mean" but I'm far too open-minded to let it just sit there.

So, please, people who think in terms of vibes: What, precisely, is vibing?
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reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 08:27 PM by schuyler
Ha ha. Love it. That is essentially what I was asking in this thread here. If there's a heaven, WHERE is it? Physicists can't seem to find it, so WHERE is this higher-vibration place?


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 08:41 PM by Stunspot
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Actually, the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics gives a VERY good answer to the question of "Where's Heaven/Hell?". Answer: Right here. It's just a different correlative state of the universal quantum wave function. (It makes a lot more sense in math than it does in english.) Or, you can take the holgraphic universe perspective and say that "heaven is a non-local correlative state in the universe's informational causal domains".

But it's a different question than the one I'm asking.
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reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 09:19 PM by Stunspot
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But you didn't actually even ATTEMPT to answer my question, and, in fact, typified the ideas I'm asking about.

A HIGHER. FREQUENCY. OF *WHAT*?

If you can't answer that question, STOP USING THE WORD. Just stop. You say a higher frequency will change our biological nature. But a higher frequency of WHAT?


reply posted on 12-11-2012 @ 12:04 AM by rickymouse
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frequency stipulates what we perceive. whether it is classified as sound, heat, light, or anything else that is used by life, it is all the same but different. The word is a frequency which is both heard and felt. If you have the right equipment and lenses you can see the sound. It is all part of one thing, a sort of communication of the universe.

You can make sound into peaks and troughs if you want or you can listen to it. You can feel what the sound is portraying. Same with light, if you think of it as waves, then you will not appreciate the feel of the sun on your cheeks. Don't try to make science out of life, life is way more advanced than science.
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reply posted on 12-11-2012 @ 10:43 AM by mbkennel
Originally posted by Stunspot
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post by schuyler



Actually, the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics gives a VERY good answer to the question of "Where's Heaven/Hell?". Answer: Right here. It's just a different correlative state of the universal quantum wave function. (It makes a lot more sense in math than it does in english.) Or, you can take the holgraphic universe perspective and say that "heaven is a non-local correlative state in the universe's informational causal domains".

But it's a different question than the one I'm asking.
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The problem with that is that the other worlds all obey the same physics, and so Heaven and Hell work exactly the same, which isn't exactly the point of them, is it?


reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 02:02 PM by Mayson
Originally posted by Stunspot
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post by rickymouse



But you didn't actually even ATTEMPT to answer my question, and, in fact, typified the ideas I'm asking about.

A HIGHER. FREQUENCY. OF *WHAT*?

If you can't answer that question, STOP USING THE WORD. Just stop. You say a higher frequency will change our biological nature. But a higher frequency of WHAT?


Exactly!

Frequency is equal to cycles of something per second.

When you graph something out as amplitude or strength versus time, then one cycle occurs when the strength of whatever it is your graphing gets as strong as it's going to get then gets as weak as it's going to get and then as strong as it's going to get again. So, you have to have something that you're measuring for it to have a frequency. How do you graph the strength of consciousness as it gets strong, then weak, then strong again? Does consciousness getting strong then weak then strong again faster mean you are "smarter?" That would put it at a higher frequency. (note: it doesn't have to be strength it could be any measure of things that varies with time; such as displacement).

Not everything that generates "power" has a frequency; direct current is always the same strength.
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reply posted on 14-11-2012 @ 06:29 AM by 1littlewolf
Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
Originally posted by GypsK
a higher frequency of thought.....
or 'counsciousnes' if you prefer that term.

What is this even supposed to mean? Can you explain how frequency could be applied consciousness?


You can if you believe that consciousness stems from the quantum world, where everything is essentially just energy fluctuations.




In answer to the OP, the specific 'energy' that is somewhat relate to 'chi' energy. I'm sure your familiar with its definition. Negative chi vibrates at a low frequency, it is associated with death, sickness etc and is also the energetic level which lower life forms which facilitate these experiences in humans such as viruses and bacteria. Higher lifeforms (the highest being humans) operate on a higher energetic level. It is also associated with negative emotions and as such is a possible explanation for such phenomena as the placebo effect.

This idea of a universal energy can also be tied in with various occult phenomena such as the concept of 'Correspondences' as popularised by Crowely and taken further through the concept of 'like attracts like'. Taking this idea even further in a holographic universe type way where everything in the universe is entangled this view of energy can be tied into light energy, sound energy etc and used to infer various things such as crystals, sounds etc can enhance this energy as it flows through the bodies energetic centres known as chakras.

Ultimately when broken down to its fundamental levels everything is merely energy fluctuations. It makes logical sense that ultimately there is merely one type of energy, maybe this universal chi energy is that energy which exists at level to subtle to be measures by today scientific instruments. All we see is the consequences of this universal energy existing aka the universe as we know it.


Questions?


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