What if America has fallen?

Do you happen to believe that the good ol United States of Murica has officially fallen?
If so, why do you believe this?

Is it because of Obama? Is it because of the man before him? Is it because of the rich? Or, as what many here on ATS seem to believe, is it because of the citizens, you and me?

You see, I can't honestly say that I believe it to be fair to blame George or Barrack, they're both just a guy who does what he's told by his boss, much like all of us. I think the blame for the failure of this nation falls on every damn one of us and I am about to explain why.

Anyone who has ever done even a few hours of legitimate research outside of a high school textbook should be very aware of how this nation was formed. Those facts point an intelligent individual to the opinion that it was not created of the people by the people for the people. The man who was chosen by the wealthy who were the only ones allowed to make decisions did not choose George Washington to be our first real president because they had reason to believe he would make a good leader, they picked him because he seemed to have a knack for getting out of sticky situations and was a man believed to have luck on his side. Now I am not trying to put down Washington because he did do his job and made a good point that a man given power could be capable of willingly releasing the power when the time came, something many at the time didn't believe possible. But the fact remains, the people didn't pick him, the rich people did.

Many of us here on ATS are here because we are interested in conspiracy theories. Most of us accept the fact that there has always and, unless we do something about it, will always be corruption in politics. Some of us believe that those of us who would make such claims are crazy and will argue with us until they pass out at the keyboard trying to fight for their false beliefs.

My claim is that America was never created of the people for the people, it was created of the wealthy minority for the wealthy minority. The original constitution never even gave a reason to believe otherwise, the amendments did. You see, the wealthy who were in charge didn't want to lose the power that their great wealth granted them and the majority of people at the time were uneducated and easily manipulated, so all one had to do was use proper wording and the masses would believe anything you wanted them to, much like it still is today.

When the industrial revolution came along, slavery was a big issues not just in the south but also in the north, just under a different name. The northern slavery was okay because it paid... I'm sorry but I did my homework and this is where I absolutely must draw the line and scream BS.

Slaves in the factories and mines in the north might have been paid but they were not paid enough to properly provide for their families otherwise the wives and children wouldn't have had to also slave away in those factories for 14-18 hours a day 6-7 days a week along with the man. Yes I did say 6-7 days a week because in many situations workers were only given part of Sunday off for church. Even with the entire family working, even 8 year old children, pretty much all families had a very difficult time struggling to have the money needed to survive.

There were no workers rights, if you had a problem with doing something that looked as if it would result in the loss of a limb you could either get over it or leave. If you did end up losing the limb there would be no disability, your @ss is gone and your family suffers for it. This is exactly how it was back then.

There was no such thing as the middle class. There was an upper class who did little work in comparison to the overworked masses and there was the lower class overworked masses. And if you're anything like myself, you believe that is still the way it is.

Today we supposedly have a lower class, a lower middle class, a middle class, an upper middle class, and rich and ultra rich who represent the upper class. That's not exactly true though. What is true is that the upper class has convinced most of us that the other class is our enemy, well not the other class if it happens to be the upper class but you know... poor people. They're trying to take everything you work for and every damn last one of them is a drug addicted scumbag who wants to steal your stuff!

Wait! I just have to ask. What is it that we work for?
Cause I for one just ain't seeing very much.
There aren't enough jobs! and it isn't because the poor are taking my jobs from me because I can assure you that they are not. I don't see many "poor people" being eligible for an entry level position engineering job, that still requires a 4 year degree, I wish it didn't because I'm poor and it costs too damn much, but it does.

So who is it that are taking the jobs? Is it the poor people or is it the rich people? Well... Poor people don't have the money to make jobs. Rich people who do make jobs (not all of them do) don't want to pay poor people enough money to survive and do not want to meet their demands so they simply move the jobs to somewhere that the poor will accept whatever the hell they are given and not question their all mighty leaders.

As I stated earlier, the rich have owned the politicians since the beginning. Obama or Romney, it really didn't matter because they like being paid more than you and I so they're gonna do what their boss tells them to. That usually does not include doing what's best for the people, maybe a few lies and illusions here and there but that's about it.

You people destroyed America! From the beginning of the industrial revolution they have offered you jobs and you continue to whine and complain about how this or that isn't fair or you're not being paid enough. Well... It looks to me like they finally got sick of that and some of them started moving. Now you complain and blame everyone but them.

Haven't any of you noticed? The rich haven't suffered because of any of the negative crap over the past few years, all of us have. The rich still have more than enough money to live happily for the remainder of their grandchildren's lives on.

We argue with each other and amongst ourselves for the wrong reason. We should be mad at each other for driving them away.

Alright I'm done doing that. If you really believe that it's our fault and we should have just accepted what they were willing to be generous enough to give us then you... well I don't really know what to tell ya cause I hear the mental institutions are filling up fast...

There isn't and never was much of a middle class. What if you lost your job tomorrow? Would you be able to live the exact same way, assuming that could be considered "comfortably," for a year without that job and without the goodwill of others? If you answered no to that question then the reality is that you are not middle class, you're part of the working lower class who cannot get by if he or she is not working.

So why argue and fight amongst ourselves when we are all victims in this together? America was created for someone other than you and I. How about we come together and work together to change that rather than continue to blame and fight each other. We can bring this nation up but we have to all agree to embrace knowledge and get over our hate in order to do so. If you cannot accept this then please, feel free to leave with those big business you worship.

reply to post by Anundeniabletruth


America has fallen because we place too much importance on the self at the expense of the other.

reply to post by Anundeniabletruth

Do you happen to believe that the good ol United States of Murica has officially fallen?

Not quite sure what you mean by this statement. I read your Post.
You seem to be saying that we as a Nation have come to an end. "fallen" as you have put it. I don't agree, but I wont get into that. I am just confused with your Post. You go back to the beginning of our History, and rant about how bad things were back then. Seems to me, based on your statements, that we are in no worse shape now then back in our early period. We didn't "fall" then. Why now?

America has been fallen ever since it began.

Whiskey Rebellion- 1791

The Whiskey Rebellion, or Whiskey Insurrection, was a tax protest in the United States beginning in 1791, during the presidency of George Washington. Farmers who used their grain in the form of whiskey as a medium of exchange were forced to pay a new tax. The tax was a part of treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton's program to increase central government power, in particular to fund his policy of assuming the war debt of those states which had failed to pay. The farmers who resisted, many war veterans, were fighting for the principles of the American Revolution, in particular against taxation without local representation.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by VeniVidi


I do not think that we have "fallen." No more than we did back in those days. My point is that the men who "started" America did not do so for us and our benefit and the men who have always had the true power still have it today, nothing has changed, this is not a land of the people for the people, it is very much still a land with rule of the wealthy for the wealthy. What I do think is that we "the people" need to grow up and stop arguing amongst ourselves and work together for the benefit of us all. For too long have the ultra wealthy, most of whom do not and have not actually "worked" a day in there lives, been just about the only people who have it truly easy in this world while we all suffer for them to do so. I don't know about you but I'm sick of it!

I'm sorry if anyone found this offensive but it's the truth that we all need to hear. As someone who considers himself an independent and voted for Gary Johnson ( So certain people don't get confused and start tossing around that "libtard" word of theirs or considering me to be an Obama supporter) I am sick of seeing what seems like about half of our nation screaming the word "socialist" at everyone who even attempts to suggest that it really doesn't matter who won or that maybe Obama really was the "lesser of the two evils" in their opinion. Come on, I mean seriously... I always thought that the liberals were supposed to be known for being whiny little brats.

My point is that America is not "socialist" and does not seem to becoming socialist and that Obama is just another man doing the job he's told to do, which in my opinion has nothing to do with any of us because we are not the wealthy, so why continue to argue with each other about stuff that really doesn't make any sense if you calm down, breath, and take about two minutes to think about the bigger picture. So basically I am complaining and venting about us, the majority of American citizens, spending much more time arguing with and hating each other than we do to try to make any real change.

I believe that most of us like it the way it is because if we didn't then why the hell wouldn't we stop fighting for a few minutes and actually try to turn this terrible situation upside down. It's not like the politicians on either end are going to do anything and I want to believe that most of us here on ATS know that...

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Me and my friends watched "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" this morning, and as I was watching it, I turned to them and asked, "You think he'd be furious if he could see what his country has become?"

Their response: "He'd be killing a lot of people."

Yeah, I'm sure...considering the number of 'vampires' currently residing in the White House and the Cabinet, feeding off of the lifeblood of this nation.