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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by The Heed
In reply to the OP and the 'witch hunt against gays'
Cameron was basically ambushed on a live TV show.
He was given a list of suspected cabinet members that had been collected from... TWITTER.
Yes... the general public has been going rife with accusations, posting names on Twitter, with little or no basis other than the fact they are gay, or the public don't like them.
THAT'S the witch hunt he was calling against, NOT any sort of official investigation.
Now, I'm not going to sit in a bubble and deny that there is possibility of cover-ups taking place, Saville himself was under investigation many times, and he managed to have it swept under the rug.
But members of the public, calling someone out, on Twitter, with absolutely no evidence,
just because they are gay, that's not cool


I absolutely agree with you.

But I think Cameron's response is more than just the idea that he was ambushed. As I said before, there are people on one list who are gay, and might have committed a crime when it comes meeting a man on Hampstead Heath in the middle of the night, or had relations with someone who was technically under the legal age at that time, but still considered an adult and able to make their own decisions.

As I said, those people are being called child abusers on that list, when all they really did was get some nookie with a consenting adult or have intercourse with an 18 year old when the law was unfairly criminalizing gay people. That is not the same as child abuse obviously, but some of those creating the lists obviously want gay men to be seen as criminals too.

From that perspective, I fully understand why Cameron would have felt he needed to make that statement about it, and I'm glad he did. I think those criticising him for making that association (and I did too, before I saw the list) just haven't seen that list and don't understand how gay men are being portrayed as child abusers on it.




posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Holy crap, the link to "Beyond Dutroux affair" blew my mind with the amount of info. I am very familiar with Franklin, as I live in Omaha and a good friends dad was FBI at the time and very good friends with Micky Mott. I don't have time to go further into anything right now and I really want to go back and read all of that link from the beginning.

It's crazy that I have been investigating Franklin for 3+ years and never heard of any of this, at all. Just wanted to say thanks and chime in.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:02 PM
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Thankyou! I was only a kid when I saw that documentary, it was quite sickening. I'm going to have a dig around, I don't remember many of the details.

It doesn't bear thinking about, I can't imagine having been taken from my parents and put into care for no reason, you have to wonder how it all came about. I remember reading about how teachers had been trained to spot signs of ritual abuse some years ago and it made me think of this case,. It always struck me as kind of odd, is satanic ritual abuse that common and what exactly are the signs? Bizarre, but intriguing, I need to dig about a bit and find some info.

thanks again.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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I know it might seem as though many of us are powerless to do anything about this other than discuss it. But, I fully believe that the ATS community is able to dig up connections and links in the existing stories that journalists would not consider.

For instance, I have yet to find one article about the current case even mentioning the similarities between the events in the UK and those in the US at the same time. That's a logical step in my opinion.

The Franklin scandal involved potentially hundreds of men in business and political life, and events are said to have occurred on Embassy Row, with one witness claiming to have even entered the white house for a "private tour" by one of his abusers. I find it remarkable that there would be no links to British political life, considering the locations, the "parties" described, the people involved in that ring.

In my opinion, one of the first steps a journalist could take is to contact those in the US who dealt with the evidence and stories from witnesses and see if they have any evidence of British involvement. But no journalist has done that.

In addition, the Belgium abuse scandal (the one that is so sickening it's hard to read through for long) has links to the UK, with witnesses to events here stating on record that abusers fled the UK and went to Belgium. There are clear links between two countries, where some of the most sickening abuse appears to have happened, all at the same time, and no journalist thinks it might be worthwhile to investigate the links?! I find that bizarre.

These are things that I have considered, and when I get the chance to investigate it a little more, perhaps I can find a name of a convicted person, or the name of a witness who could be approached, and then pass that to a journalist.

Remember, we can all contact journalists or police at any time. All it takes is an email. If we find any evidence of a connection between one case and another, we can forward that on. We are not powerless, there are good people out there who want to do something from a journalistic or legal position.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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It doesn't matter about his other claims, you cannot ignore him or exclude him because you do not believe anything else he says. This is a thread on paedophelia amongst the elite, something he has fought against for the last ten years and has been proven correct after years of abuse. Excluding him is beyond ludicrous when we should be apologising to him for what he has done.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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samerulesapply: answer to your request about the child abuse cases on an island:

i think you talk about the cases on Jersey, channel islands, i ve (probably) seen the documentary you mentionend, it was a horrible story about a foster home with many abuses, missing children and they even found bones in the basement. the house was called "haut de la garenne"

there are more than one documentaries on the subject, one is here: Jersey island of secrets




posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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From the US I'd like to add a disturbing "incentive" program to get kids out of their homes and into foster care and then into the hands of predators: Foster care is big business, like $14 billion in big business to make sure kids are not with their parents.

The US the foster care system is mightily screwed up, kids often go from their abusive home to one that's more abusive:


A Santa Clara County Grand Jury reached similar conclusions, having determined that children often face greater risks in its existing foster care program than they do in their own homes: Sometimes, foster care placements are made that are just as abusive, if not more so, than the home from which the child was removed. The Grand Jury learned of placements where sexual and physical abuse took place. There was even a case where the infant died.[3]

Source: www.liftingtheveil.org...

And:


In Massachusetts, the Department of Social Services has knowingly approved scores of convicted criminals to be foster parents, including child abusers, drug dealers, habitual drunk drivers, kidnappers, armed robbers, and other violent offenders, according a recent Boston Globe series. The Department of Social Services allowed these criminals to become foster parents by granting "waivers" that would ordinarily have caused the foster parents to be rejected

Source: www.liftingtheveil.org...

My point, these elites that abuse children have "safe" resources to use, in the foster care system, where an unending supply of children is available for their sick needs. And because the system is full of criminals, it's easy to discredit a criminal who may have grown a conscience and decided to report the abuse by an elite.


Author Pens Real-life Horror Story of Foster-care System and Corruption


“My family’s desire to adopt a child led us down a path into an underground world that very few know exist,” Clark says. “We had fallen down a rabbit hole and into a foreign land where laws designed to protect children were twisted, leading to further victimization of these same children.”


Source: www.prweb.com...

Some more pieces to the puzzle:


"...thousands of foster kids appear to be on powerful psychotropic or mind altering drugs. Many of these children are barely in kindergarten."


Source: NBC News



Lastly, in Massachusetts alone the foster care industry is multi-billion business with clear financial incentive to take kids away from their homes rather than give them back. In this article, below, you'll get an idea of what a big business this it -- getting kids away from home and into the hands of predators who may pass these kids along to elites.

Source: www.massnews.com...

So it's something to think about, in both the UK and US - we may be able to find these elites by looking into the care facilities provided to children who are either taken from their homes or thrown away by their parents. See who contributes funds, see who the top players are, look closely at who changed the laws that make these kids available for abuse - I think that's one angle to pursue the truth about a pedophile ring at the top.

(I'd like to add I believe there are lots of good people in the foster care business, but they just don't know how deep the corruption goes or that it even exists).
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Openmindedireland
reply to post by detachedindividual
 

It doesn't matter about his other claims, you cannot ignore him or exclude him because you do not believe anything else he says. This is a thread on paedophelia amongst the elite, something he has fought against for the last ten years and has been proven correct after years of abuse. Excluding him is beyond ludicrous when we should be apologising to him for what he has done.


From a common sense perspective, I just don't think it helps credibility. From what I have seen of his assertions, he doesn't offer any evidence. That's the key here!

We already have a wealth of evidence, of witness statements, of proven court cases and convictions to go on, why would we need to include someone who merely makes statements about what he believes to be true, and while having to confront the confusion of "lizard people" amongst it all, when we already have plenty of actual evidence to use and discuss?

I understand that he has been talking about this for a long time, but so have others in more credible positions with more credible statements and more lucid narratives. There is already plenty of evidence out there that has basis in fact, and so I would rather focus on that than include Icke's opinions and assertions. That's why I made that suggestion in the OP.

It's not that I'm attacking the man for thinking what he thinks, and I don't deny that he's been talking about this for a while. But what can he offer that we can't find from reports of actual cases where people have been convicted, or from actual reports from the people affected by these cases?



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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I've been looking into this in terms of the international arena, and took a look at the Interpol site to find out what their overall outlook and policy was on tackling child trafficking. It was kind of eye-opening, though not particularly surprising.


BEARING IN MIND Interpol’s firm long-standing commitment to combating crimes
against children, evidenced by previous resolutions directed against the sexual exploitation of
children, especially resolution AGN/65/RES/9 that recommend that member countries enact
legislation making the production, distribution, importation or possession of child
pornography criminal offences, and make assistance and incitement punishable in the context
of such offences and also consider enacting legislation which would allow the seizure of
assets derived from such offences,

DEEPLY CONCERNED about the growth of child sexual abusive images available on
Internet, the numbers of children being trafficked for the purpose of producing sexual abusive
material, and the increase and complexity of investigations conducted on Internet,

REMEMBERING the UN Convention on the Right of the Child (1989) Article 19
stating that all children must be protected from all forms of abuse including sexual abuse and
Article 34 stating that all states will take all appropriate national, bilateral and multinational
measures to prevent inducement or coercion of a child engaged in any unlawful sexual
activity, the exploitative use of children in prostitution or other unlawful sexual practices or in
the production of any pornographic practice or material,

RECOGNIZING the position the General Secretariat has to monitor investigations and
ongoing operations into criminal groups that provide child sexual abusive material worldwide
and the need for a global approach investigating these crime groups,

NOTING that investigations into websites that provide access to child abusive material
require Member States to act together to successfully stop ongoing abuse and to successfully
prosecute the criminals responsible for the web sites by supporting the chain of evidence with
timely information and to make that information available real time,

STRONGLY ENCOURAGES Member States to introduce national contact points
within law enforcement agencies and implement legislation and procedures to help
international investigations into websites that sell child sexual abusive material


www.interpol.int...

The above has all been 'adopted'. However, what I found interesting, they have 18 pages of missing children, but no details as to why or how those children are deemed to be missing. If I was to make assumptions, based on the very limited information available, and given that many of those listed seem to be of middle-eastern descent, they are children who are involved in 'custody cases'...there do not seem to be any listings that indicate any relation to child trafficking...but that said, no further information is available to indicate one way or another. So really, in short, dead end there.

So I did a search on their website of 'child trafficking'...and found a mention of a Operation Myosis...which evidently was a UK based operation, though in conjunction with other overseas agencies. When I put Operation Myosis into Google it came up with one related link...which given the meaning of 'Myosis'....


1. an acute infectious disease occurring in epidemic form and featuring paroxysms of pain


www.audioenglish.net...

...this seemed rather a paltry response...anyway...

cont'd next post...



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Yes, I've seen this film, it was horrific. But the case I'm referring to was one where the social services took children into care under the pretense that the kids were suffering ritual abuse, but they were not, here's a wiki link en.wikipedia.org... but I'm going to scout about for more info on it, it's an interesting case, if anything...I think it's more sinister than a simple mistake on the part of the social services.

Unless, of course, you're referring to the remark I made about them finding the incinerator and bone fragments at the jersey childrens home - in which case I apologise. Thanks for posting that link though, for anyone who hasn't seen it, it's worth a watch.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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In June 2007, the Hi-Tech crime unit in Belarus launched Operation Tornado which identified a criminal organization that was controlling and profiting from more than 200 different child exploitation websites. In May of the same year, the Child Abuse Investigation Hi-tech crime unit of the London Metropolitan Police initiated Operation Myosis after receiving details of a payment control database which they then discovered managed access to more than 200 commercial child exploitation websites. In April 2006, the Child Exploitation Section of the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (US ICE) Cyber Crimes Center had begun an investigation into a criminal organization behind an abusive image website, and their enquiries soon revealed links to more than 200 other websites with similar content.

After Belarus provided details of their enquiry to INTERPOL, subsequent information provided by the UK and US authorities enabled specialized officers at the General Secretariat headquarters to establish that all three investigations were targeting the same criminal organizations behind the same websites.

The evidence gathered independently by the three countries led to the location and arrest in Belarus and Ukraine of the gang behind the sites, and also the identification of more than 30,000 individuals across the globe who had purchased the abusive images, generating millions of dollars in profit for the criminal organization. Subscribers’ details have been disseminated by the INTERPOL General Secretariat to member countries for further action and a number of arrests have already been made.

“Each of the countries involved had begun their investigation from different starting points, but it was only through sharing these details via INTERPOL that the full picture was found which resulted in these significant arrests and the removal of these abusive websites,” said Jon Eyers, INTERPOL’s Assistant Director of Trafficking in Human Beings unit, which deals with child abuse images.

Mr Eyers underlined the need for countries investigating online child abuse to communicate and work together. Since the launch of the International Child Sexual Exploitation database hosted by INTERPOL in 2001 more than 1,800 victims from 50 countries have already been rescued from abusive situations and more than 1,000 offenders identified. As mandated by its 2009 General Assembly, INTERPOL is now working with member countries, Europol and Internet Service Providers to identify and restrict access to those domains which contain child sexual abuse material


www.interpol.int...

Considering the number of people supposedly identified in this above detailed investigation only one report of a trial and conviction as a result of this investigation comes up through Google...

www.walesonline.co.uk...

And that is for possessing child pornography, not producing it. The more you look into it...the more you realise that this is a general theme of these operations. People are getting convicted for possession, but no one seems to be getting convicted for production. What is going on with that?



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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I was sexually used by a politician once in a chatroom. It was really weird. Yes I was underage and didn't have much breasts or anything like that...I was very boyish looking.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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Here's one high profile case where a producer was busted: "Stuffed toy bunny helps uncover alleged international child-porn network"

Source: www.foxnews.com...

I do believe there has to be a hierarchical system in the abuse, as in the people at the top get there kids from somewhere else - my thinking is social services or foster care - and we never hear about it.
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Now I realise that in these current accusations that all fingers are pointing at the Conservative Party but only a few years ago Operation Ore identified a number of Labour councillors that had been found in possession of child pornography....

earthlinggb.wordpress.com...

www.theregister.co.uk...

...resulting at least one conviction of an advisor to Tony Blair...


A senior clerk at the House of Commons who used his work computer to download hardcore child pornography has been jailed for one year.

Phillip Lyon was also found guilty on Tuesday of using his home computer to collect more than 1,000 images of children - some of whom were toddlers subjected to "disgusting" sexual acts.

He was discovered by chance when an IT consultant came to repair another clerk's computer at the Commons and opened a file showing "something terribly wrong", London's Southwark Crown Court was told.

Riel Karmy-Jones, prosecuting, told the jury Lyon had used his computer "to pursue his interest and perhaps curiosity" in this type of material.

She said: "He searched for it on the internet and when found, downloaded it for his delectation later."



When arrested, Lyon allegedly likened his problem to that of a drug addict.

"It is like a drug - you try one and you want to try something harder and it has a snowball effect," he told officers.


news.bbc.co.uk...

This report refers to a 'Shadows Brotherhood' which comes up with one link, to itself when Googled...and lots of references to WoW...


A former school governor and ex-local councillor is starting a two year jail sentence for downloading more than 42,000 paedophilic images, including 2,500 movies.

Alec Dyer-Atkins from Northampton was arrested last year after a worldwide sweep (dubbed Operation Twins) by the UK's National Hi-Tech Crime Unit and other overseas law enforcement agencies that targeted paedophiles online.

Dyer-Atkins and 45 other people were arrested last July for their membership of a major, Internet-based paedophile network, known as the Shadows Brotherhood.


www.theregister.co.uk...

What happened to the other 45 people identified?

But even then, it seems the UK are slightly more thorough than their US counterparts....


In 1999, an international investigation of child pornographers and paedophiles run by Britain's National Criminal Intelligence Service, code named Operation Ore, resulted in 7,250 suspects being identified in the United Kingdom alone. Some 1850 people were criminally charged in the case and there were 1451 convictions. Almost 500 people were interviewed "under caution" by police, meaning they were suspects. Some 900 individuals remain under investigation. In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair's government.

However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice. Police also discovered links between British Labour government paedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal (including young boys from the Casa Pia orphanage in Portugal).

Tony Blair: stifling investigations of paedophiles in his Labour government.

In the United States, Operation Ore's counterpart was Operation Avalanche. However, U.S. authorities only charged 100 people out of 35,000 investigated. The international paedophile investigation began when Dallas police and the US Postal Inspection Service raided the offices of Landslide Productions of Fort Worth, Texas and confiscated records on thousands of people around the world who were child pornography customers of the firm. Landslide's halcyon days as a Fort Worth-based international online marketplace of kiddie porn was during the term of Texas Governor George W. Bush.

WMR has learned that the Bush administration, like that of Blair, is rife with paedophiles in top positions. The paedophile network also extends to the U.S. defense industry, particularly some of the companies that have been involved in the sexual abuse of minors at overt and covert U.S. prisons in Abu Ghraib, Iraq; Guantanamo, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Thailand, and now, at three prisons in Ethiopia.


www.tpuc.org...



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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I have today read about numerous trials of those convicted of possession of child pornography and not one of those, even those found in possession of Level One images received a sentence in excess of two years, and of those, most received a suspended sentence. Now I understand economics and I know all about supply and demand. What deterent is a suspended #ing sentence? If authorities were really interested in tackling this problem wouldn't the best way be to destroy demand by a policy of zero tolerance?



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Sorry to hijack the thread about this case but this is a really interesting article about ritual abuse, it goes into the cleveland incident www.saff.ukhq.co.uk...

Seems the Cleveland incident is not an isolated one by any means, this just gets worse.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Whenever this subject comes up, it brings to mind "The Finders." A little known alleged sex abuse cult whose guilt has never been definitively proved, but which many speculated could have ties to powerful individuals in and around Washington D.C.

Real evidence in support of the matter is scant, however there are myriad accounts. Interpretations and overviews are diverse.

Here is one of the more conspiratorially-minded overviews of The Finders. While I can no longer find the links to the original Washington Post and other news publications referenced here, I can attest to seeing them in the past and that the articles and reports did actually exist: educate-yourself.org...

Here is a less damning and more open-minded perspective on The Finders, seeking to weigh the creepy appearances displayed by the group, with their civil liberties and the possibility that the crimes attributed to them could be hyperbole or a moral panic: www.brainsturbator.com...

And here are the only two actual news articles mentioning them that I can still find anywhere (if anyone can locate more, please post them for the benefit of us all. Thanks): www.nytimes.com... and www.nytimes.com...

As you can see, even those reports are filled with contradictions and differing accounts.

While not fully convinced by these and other stories posted in this topic to assuage my skepticism completely - especially considering the moral panic surrounding ritual abuse during the 80s and 90s that has since been largely debunked - I have always felt that these matters raised the specter of a disturbing possibility that needs more investigation. There are many unanswered questions.

Peace.
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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bruce forsithe next (joke hes a goodish guy i think)



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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Reading that article, I get the impression that there is a culture of 'thrill seeking' and one-up-manship. I don't know, and really it does defy belief which is very much over half of the problem. Should we believe that such a state of mind exists? I have read an awful lot of 'true crime' and am under no illusion that such things take place in actuality, but even with that knowledge under my belt, this idea of sharing those inner fanstasies shocks and appalls me. As it should. But clearly such a culture exists.

I am reminded, again, of another case, this one more recent...of the female nursery workers who abused children under their care in order to impress the man they were both interested in.

www.thesun.co.uk...



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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I made a lot of posts/threads about this in the past--and so have many others.

I think it is one of the biggest tragedies of the NWO. The Johny Gosch story literally makes me sick, especially his ties to Barney Frank--the MA legislator who kept getting re elected year after year after year.

Anyway, thanks for posting!

Glad its back on the front page.





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