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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Many will probably be aware of the ongoing accusations in the British press regarding the story of Jimmy Savile and others who have yet to be identified. This is in connection to previous stories relating to historical abuse involving children from homes across the nation.

Link to BBC article

Something that has struck me within the ATS community is that this is not considered a "hot topic", when it clearly should be. Here at ATS we have a history of looking deeper into the stories, finding links where no others are making connections, exposing a deeper cover-up or seeing things for how they actually are.

While the MSM might be influenced to remain quiet, or only look at the surface of a story, those on ATS are often more comprehensive in their thought process - frankly, we think outside the box, think on an international scale, and we form conclusions based on a wider circle of facts and evidence.

I have been disappointed in the seemingly limited discussion of this case, especially as it seems to indicate a wider conspiracy which reaches far beyond the limited scope of "blaming" the BBC or poxy little police forces dotted around the UK.

While the British PM warns of a "witch hunt" against gay people (where no such which hunt exists - because people understand that this is not about sexual orientation in any way) the BBC is now under attack in what appears to be a deliberate distraction. The original victim Mr Messham is being branded as a liar, while it is clear to many that the Police interviewing him provided him with the identity of the wrong person - to what end?

Link to BBC piece

I wanted to create this thread to encourage an investigation of our own. I feel that many sources are not making the connections where they should be made and that any other investigation is going to be extremely limited.

So, here is what I have gathered relating to the evidence of an international abuse ring throughout the world, involving leaders of business, politicians and those in criminal justice.

What is my belief? I honestly believe that the stories hitting national press in various nations over the last ten years are merely scratching the surface of the largest criminal gang the world has ever seen. I believe there is evidence that the wealthy elites and powerful individuals in many nations have been engaging in the abuse of children, bizarre Satanic rituals, drug trafficking, prostitution and basically anything else you can imagine from an organized group of psychopaths.

There are similarities in all of the cases discussed, with reports of politicians, wealthy business leaders and media personalities taking children from homes of being involved in the abuse of children, evidence of pornographic media being created, stories of ritualistic abuse and even murder. There are similar accusations and evidence suggesting cover-up's from senior politicians, law enforcement, judges and journalists in all cases. There is evidence that intimidation and corruption of those willing to speak out against it is rife, with the suggestion even that people have been killed to silence them.

This thread is intended to provide a place for real investigation, connecting the stories, finding associations and sharing information found with others.

Please refrain from naming anyone accused. This is not the place to add links to lists of accused people. This is evidence-based. We need historical accounts of the same thing, where you believe there is a connection. I'll say it again, this is not the place to make accusations about someone where you don't have evidence. Please leave all of that elsewhere. It is fine to link articles and reports where those named have been convicted.

Please refrain from posting links and information relating to other conspiracy theories, such as the NWO, the Reptilians and so on. I know it seem David Icke was right about some things, but there is no evidence that an alien race of lizards are controlling the world!

If you have any more information to add to these, please provide the links and explain how you think they are connected.

Second post to follow...



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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Fully agree with the fact that is getting overlooked on ATS, an actual conspiracy and people seem to ignore it, what is happening in Britain at the moment is disgraceful and shocking, good thread to get people to start taking notice



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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First, we seemingly have the Holly Greig website under attack from Ministry of Defence sources -

Holly Greig Conspiracy

This is something I only recently discovered, but it is current. The operators of the site are reporting that their campaign site is being electronically attacked by the MOD, and this has seemingly been independently confirmed also. Why is the British Ministry of Defence attacking the site detailing the cover-up of a historical abuse case?

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Portugal's high-society paedophile ring

Once again, we have reports of politicians and business elites being involved in a massive child abuse case, with allegations of witness intimidation and covering up of evidence by complicit police and judges.

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French Political Child Abuse Scandal

Once again, the same story of politicians, police cover-up, intimidation of witnesses, victims and investigators.

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Belgium Paedophilia Scandal

And once again we have the same scenario, the same elites, but even more extreme in nature.

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US Franklin Scandal

Do I really need to say much about this famous case of abuse, corruption, murder and so on? This is perhaps one of the most documented cases in the world, and it all happened at the same time as all the others (seemingly) with politicians being let off and stories reaching dead ends. There is even suggestion of the government, FBI and other agencies involved in the cover up.

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Is Tony Blair Guilty Of A Cover-Up?

The above seems to suggest that Tony Blair (former British PM) issued a D-Notice to protect politicians (and presumably others too) from investigation into historical child abuse allegations.

These are just some of the stories out there, all cases which seem to have remarkable similarities, and all of which each nations media is failing to connect to other cases. This tells me that there is an international ring at the highest levels, and that it is being covered up and people silenced either with money or threats.

But we have to also ask, why is there no serious news investigation into all of this? Why are the stories being limited to national cases? Why are there no journalists seeking to investigate the real, bigger, story?



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Todzer
Fully agree with the fact that is getting overlooked on ATS, an actual conspiracy and people seem to ignore it, what is happening in Britain at the moment is disgraceful and shocking, good thread to get people to start taking notice


This shocked me too. It seems members of ATS love a conspiracy when there is little evidence, but when a story like this emerges with plenty of material to investigate all over the world, ATS shows little interest in it.

This is potentially the biggest scandal and conspiracy the world has ever witnessed, and there is a wealth of witnesses coming forward, repeated similar statements from numerous victims all over the world, evidence of cover-up's and corruption, and the members here seem disinterested.

I can understand there being some reluctance because of the nature of the stories, I feel that too. Having read some of the reports from witnesses it breaks my heart and it scares me to think of the power involved in silencing these stories. I also fear that it will all be covered up, and that the idiot masses will be successfully duped into following dead end paths and accepting the diversions.

But, the Franklin Scandal reaches back to Bohemian Grove. The FBI were implicated by victims as involved in covering it up. Victims reported being in rooms of the White house that they would never have had access to under normal circumstances and have provided information about those rooms that they could never have possibly known had they not been there!

And STILL members of ATS are disinterested in the story.

This could be the conspiracy to end all conspiracies, implicating elites all over the world for some of the most disgusting crimes, and it's something we should at least properly discuss, just as we discuss the latest series of quakes on the West coast or the bizarre idea of lizard people.

Why does something like that get plenty of discussion, with little or no evidence at all, and yet a case where there is a wealth of information publicly available and people actually convicted gets barely a whisper?



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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I know, the sheer amount of information on this is staggering and has the potential to topple governments worldwide but yet no interest, I just don't understand why... As you said people do not like to talk about it because of the nature of the subject but this should not just be simply forgotten or shrugged off, the world is even more corrupt and dangerous than I thought if this turns out to be true, really hope this thread gets the response it deserves.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Todzer
really hope this thread gets the response it deserves.


Unfortunately it seems that it won't. Once again it's sunk to the bottom of the pile while others bang on and on about Obama being a Socialist or the supposed corruption in the election.

I give up. This kind of shows why these freaks have been able to get away with it for so long. People don't give a damn until it's their kid being abused.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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I know, was checking it out a good bit but no responses....

People won't sit up and pay attention until it is too late, too worried about ridiculous conspiracies than an actual one, thank you for the effort to try and bring this to peoples attention.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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I dont realy see the point of this thread if all you want to do is faff about with no links to any of the accused.

The list can be found by anybody doing a simple search on google, why cant said list be discussed in detail here?

It's not like it'l be trail by media, especially if the magic word 'allegedly' is used whenever referring to a certain person.




 
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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I knew Freddie Star was gonna get pulled in.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Never give up love....


It's weird how people react to this issue. It's almost as if it is too horrific to tackle. People do not know what to do, say or even think about it.

I was struck by the newsnight programme outing 'the wrong guy' it was almost too convenient. The biggest barrier to confronting the problem is outing the wrong person and ruining the life of an innocent person. This has received a lot of attention and just seems typical of the times.

I feel the whole thing is being managed/steered in a direction which will keep the truth from coming out in any meaningful way.

There is a conspiracy here, no doubt about it and I feel even the publics reaction to it is being manipulated with disturbing expertise.

Everyone I have started a dialogue about this with has done the same thing.... they express confusion then change the subject. There seems to be no passion about the truth, no outrage...only helplessness.

This truly scares the life out of me... it's doom porn of the soul.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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I agree Detached..

Even another thread was 404'd with a 3 year investigation by a new member..

Seems iffy why all this seems to be getting overlooked or burried..



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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I have been on David Icke site and there is over 600 pages about this. also check out Chris Spivey Parliament paedophiles. sorry new on here don't know how to post links yet. but i think this a big can of worms that has been opened and it can't all be lies some of it might be true and if it is then we NEED justice for these children and not swept under the carpet again. Good luck with this thread.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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I will be looking into all this information as and when I get a chance I hope to contribute to it. Thank you for posting it.

As for people avoiding this, Its easy to play act the rebellious citizen and conspiracy theorist but when you see something like this it stops being a game. Most of the people on here would rather follow their wistful fantasies than face a scary reality they'd rather not see.

Besides we have a few people on this thread that seem willing to talk about it and as long as this thread has new posts it won't die.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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many moons ago i was involved with a website that was dedicated to exposing police corruption. one of the first few posts in the forum stated that they knew of a high level police paedophile ring and that it's insidious roots went far and wide. although the individual obviously had nothing to back up his claim, the way he interacted with us when questioned left me with the dreaded fear that he was telling the truth.

sadly, i now accept it as fact in view of the multiple abuses documented over the years.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual
I give up. This kind of shows why these freaks have been able to get away with it for so long. People don't give a damn until it's their kid being abused.


The difficulty is that now the media is swamped by reports of historic abuse, and by a lot of unsubstantiated information. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that paedophiles exist in all strata of society, I also firmly believe that they cooperate and share their 'resources', but I do not believe that what is being reported by the MSM is even remotely helpful in ascertaining how extensive those networks are. If anything, the media is doing far more harm by creating the notion that ALL paedophiles belong to such a network and are part of the conspiracy. Accusations, such as those being levelled against 'Freemasons' seem little more than subterfuge in order to create a climate of perception that uncovering these networks is impossible because of the inherent understanding in the collection consciousness of institutional secrecy. Such fearmongering is counterproductive on so many levels.

I get the feeling that there is a campaign under running all this to take the BBC down by the commercial media and that they are riding this bandwagon to hilt, and in doing so, it is the truth that is being sacrificed to sensationalism and, to some extent, titillation.

All that said, in the spirit of the OP, I was reminded of the following thread from several years back which you might find of interest...though I can make no assurance of it's veracity...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is my opinion that we are in danger of hitting sensory overload here in the UK if it continues to maintain the pace of recent weeks, and that the 'truth' however heinous in it's own right, will prove far too mundane to satisfy the masses who will merely seek some other sensation to distract them once they get bored, leaving those who are guilty of real crimes to get off scot-free while we all look at something with a bit more blood and guts in it.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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First, i would like to point out that i live in Europe, in a country where we had a pedophile politician party in our 'congress' a couple of years ago. They were promoting free love between children and adults. Statistics also show there is a pedophile living in every third house in this country and that scares the hell out of me.

Second, i would also like to state that i personally don't think sexual relations with 15-16 year olds count as pedophile activity. I wish they would change the law in some countries and only focus on REAL pedophilia meaning sex with prepubescent children without any visible secondary sex characteristics.

My thoughts about pedophilia are exactly the same as detachedindividual wrote.


Originally posted by detachedindividual
I honestly believe that the stories hitting national press in various nations over the last ten years are merely scratching the surface of the largest criminal gang the world has ever seen. I believe there is evidence that the wealthy elites and powerful individuals in many nations have been engaging in the abuse of children, bizarre Satanic rituals, drug trafficking, prostitution and basically anything else you can imagine from an organized group of psychopaths.


I believe there are a lot of people around us who are evil and do evil and we (normal people) cannot even comprehend why or how and that is the main reason they can go on with being evil for so long. Normal people cannot fully grasp the concept of pure evil and are most likely to not think about it or dismiss it as being false. However, i think we have to look the evil in the eye so we can recognize it when it comes knocking on our door. For example, if you are afraid of your child being abducted on the street - look closer because your child is more likely to be abused by someone they/you know.

There is a lot of material, links and videos i would like to share with you but a lot of them are about the European child abuse networks and written in french or dutch so bare with me while i search for the English translations.
This is a very important thread and i will be posting again. For now i have one link, a very thorough investigation into a Belgian/Dutch child abuse network and a WARNING as it is not suited for people below 18 years of age.

The reality of protected child abuse and snuff networks



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Exitt
I believe there are a lot of people around us who are evil and do evil and we (normal people) cannot even comprehend why or how and that is the main reason they can go on with being evil for so long. Normal people cannot fully grasp the concept of pure evil and are most likely to not think about it or dismiss it as being false. However, i think we have to look the evil in the eye so we can recognize it when it comes knocking on our door. For example, if you are afraid of your child being abducted on the street - look closer because your child is more likely to be abused by someone they/you know.



All very good points, and my concern exactly with the current situation and the way it is being reported, we are running head on into a situation when people will just start covering their ears and looking away because it is all too much to deal with...or because it just sounds so ridiculous.

I also agree with you about the classification of sex with post-pubescents, who whilst underage, and therefore a crime, it should not be blanketed as paedophilia. This too is creating a false perception of the situation. The correct terms, if we need them, are Hebephilia or Ephebophilia. In the Saville case, predominantly, we are looking at post-pubescent girls being sexually assaulted, and the men involved using their power and influence to 'seduce' young women. As is clear from the reports, particularly in the allegations against Freddie Starr, those who refused were equally subjected to humilation and bullying for failing to comply, or for making a 'fuss'. In my opinion, these are no less serious crimes, and if anything, by labelling them as paedophiliac, we are failing to get to the root cause of those crimes and offences.
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Patience and persistence my friend. If not that, then just keep making these threads or anyone reading this post, make more threads. Hell, how many duplicate US seceding threads or election threads have we seen.

All I know is that this cover up is GIGANTIC!!! Talk about job creation after we clean house on this paedophile ring. Anyone want to be a police officer or congressman?? There are going to be a lot of openings.

This will also make the divorce rate skyrocket. Maybe this is also why prisons are being handed over to corporations, business is about to BOOM.

Anyone, ANYONE that ruins an individual's life through years of child abuse deserves a lot more than prison time.

You've got my star & flag, attention and participation.
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
In my opinion, these are no less serious crimes, and if anything, by labelling them as paedophiliac, we are failing to get to the root cause of those crimes and offences.


I agree 100%. In the end both crimes don't get the correct attention necessary for problem solving.
It is time for a change but how?


Also found one french documentary with translation for you guys, part 2 out of 5 because it's the most informative but you can find and watch all of them if you like. No embedding since it's too graphic.

I forgot to add, it's about hundreds of files found in the Netherlands with children from all over the world and the french media trying to find out who the children were but when mothers called to say they maybe recognized their child police told them they are mistaken. Go figure.

zandvoort child abuse files
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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I am somewhat familiar with this subject. When I spent some days in a local Woman's Shelter, I happened across a video showing cases where women would go to the Family Courts for custody of their children because their children were being sexually abused by their husbands, well obviously the courts overlooked the evidence and gave the children to the perps. In said video, it was even stated that it was COMMON to give the child to the perps despite all evidence. They figured that if the man was man enough to show up dressed nice and actually wants custody of his children then he must be a good man and the woman must be a crazy vindictive and incompetent person.
I was reading about SRA also known as Satanic Ritual Abuse and from what I've learned is that they really do occupy any type of job, many are self-professed Christians which gives them the added advantage of being just eccentric enough (church-going) to be overlooked ignored but most usually, defended.






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