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Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
Here we are again, back to the last of the Gilded Age. Needing to re-inact Glass-Steagall.
Going through the beginnings of the Second Great Depression.
Gas rationing in some states. Wal-Mart employees getting together for a nationwide Black Friday strike.
I would imagine this would have had a greater impact before the placement of self-checkouts and the readiness
of customers to become unpaid Wal-Mart empoyees, but who knows?
The point is that history does follow patterns that seem very much to do with generational amnesia.
Yet, also points out that nothing ever really changes either.
Originally posted by Bluesma
I loved that book... though it seems to me you got some of it wrong, but maybe the authors have changed some of their terms or views since it was written? The Greatest generation was not the terminology used, nor was the "Homeland" one.. and I think they predicted an earlier time window for the third big event in the turning than 2020.
But whatever, their hypothesis is awesome, and so far has turned out to be very accurate. I've been watching and comparing for years.
They pretty much started the now-popular referal to generational characteristics with these terms too.
Star and flag
Originally posted by xxdaniel21
Wait a minute... i was half way through reading your post OP, and realised something while counting the generations within the cycle between 1941 and now...
"america enters world war 2"
Then i noticed "american revolutionary war" and "american civil war".
I don't know how this went unnoticed. How can one use american events to say "history repeats itself".
It sort of makes me start to think americans think history revolves around themselves...
Unless you're suggesting that this "fourth turning" only applies to the american people - but then again, wouldn't this apply to the rest of the world? I'm a millenial, although from a different country. Surely i would share some qualities with americans of the same generation.
Logically, this doesn't really add up. Perhaps, like "paperbackwriter" says below this comment... we should look at the bigger eventsedit on 11-11-2012 by xxdaniel21 because: (no reason given)
While writing Generations, Strauss and Howe discovered a pattern in the historical generations they examined which revolved around generational events which they call turnings. In Generations, and in greater detail in The Fourth Turning, they identify the four-stage cycle of social or mood eras (i.e. turnings).
 HighThe First Turning is a High. This is a post-Crisis era when institutions are strong and individualism is weak. Society is confident about where it wants to go collectively, though those outside the majoritarian center often feel stifled by the conformity.
America’s most recent First Turning was the post-World War II American High, beginning in 1946 and ending with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The Silent Generation (Artist archetype, born 1925 to 1942) came of age during this era. Known for their caution, conformity, and institutional trust, Silent young adults epitomized the mood of the High. Most married early, sought stable corporate jobs, and moved into new suburbs.
Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by Subsonic
It could be a smoothe as you say.
But, we could be talking even larger cycles.
Like the end of the Roman Empire and ushering in the Dark Ages.
There comes a point of progress where there is a stark transition back to the old drawing board.
The end of the Egyptian, the Mayan, the Incan Empires also.
Where people go back to a simpler time as though all the previous marvels of education and industry never
As if at some generational turning point it starts moving in fast reverse in a perverse unwinding.
Originally posted by Socrato
The generational cutoff dates are definitely malleable right? Because I was born in 84 and my wife in 87. I'm 100% gen-x and she is about 75% gen-x and 25%...[sorry I can't say a good label for these new kids]. So Yea, they are malleable.
I fully believe in this theory too, but I wonder why it is called the 4th Turning? Is that because they suspect something NEW? If you go by Rev, Civil War, World War, then we are on the cusp of another Rev, which seems very plausible to me. I honestly can't see Gen-X engaging in a World War.... and I can really see the next generation having a Civil War (they are selfish narcissists).
Gen-Xrs would be the ones to have a revolution... I predict it would be like an "Occupy Wallstreet" on steroids. We're good at being stubborn, living in discomfort, and fighting the system just because.