Communism is ruinining america

is a recurring theme that pops up here from time to time. But I wonder, where is all that communism?

All I see is capitalist being very very successfull. How does a capitalist increase his companies profits? With expansion, yes, reducing production costs, that too, researching cheaper materials helps a lot, but also by reducing labor costs as much as they can.

With hire and fire, buying politicians to squash those communist unions (how wanting more money is communist I did not yet grasp), and exporting labor abroad (which by itself would be a good thing if those blessed with work would earn a wage that allows them any quality of life) to any present day Nazi Germany country so they can pay less than a Dollar an hour, those who have the means to turn a profit, managed to keep more and more money out of the pockets of those whom work and into their own pockets or the pockets of those who own share in the company.

But those who own the means to turn a profit are few, those who have to work for a living are many. It seemed like such a good idea at first, but by now ppl have gone pretty much as far as they can with hire and fire less insurance less pay rising costs etc. . Too many people just do not have the money to feed the economy and as the fuel in the tank dries up, the machine stutters and eventually comes to a halt.

Sure those who were able to hoard all that money spend, but even after buying themselves all the real estate car fleets and Yachts they want, its not enough, there is just too much money, for too few rich people and so billions upon billions of dollars end up stashed away to never be injected back into the economy again.

Communism isnt ruining America. Capitalism is choking on its own success.

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there is just too much money, for too few rich people and so billions upon billions of dollars end up stashed away to never be injected back into the economy again.

I agree with what you are saying but I am not sure that this statement is correct. It is my impression rightly or wrongly that most of the 'wealth' owned by the 'filthy rich' is in fact paper wealth - stocks and shares and paper gold, titles to things that could not be 'possessed' if you wish to - islands etc for example - if you understand what I mean.

When the system falls they will still be wealthy, but only in terms of the yachts, cars and estates and maybe physical gold etc but much of the 'waelth' will be gone.

In the sense that it is/was in stocks and shares it is/was still in the economy.

I once had a cat in 2008 talk at me non stop about how Obama represents communism and communism doesn't work. I tried to interrupt him to say something but he just stopped me and said, "have you ever read Marx?" I said "no." And he said, "Well I have," and continued talking. The irony of the whole event is that my whole family grew up in Poland, getting to see the ravages of the war, and the communist occupation. My parents immigrated in 83 when I was 5 to escape communism. Here was this cat who wouldn't let me get a word in edgewise because he had read Marx and listened to Fox news. Here I was having actually lived it, and I can say without a doubt, 100% there is nothing in America that even closely resembles Communism. Not even close, .. people would rebel if we even went 1/100 of that direction. However, just a touch of socialism which is working fine in Denmark and Germany... Well, we need someone to keep up highways, have a national vs state military, and be able to provide help in disasters.

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Basicaly if anyone tells you "communism" is ruining America you should just leave the dangerous idiot alone and not bother trying to engage them on any level. It is quite simply too late for them.

Originally posted by PuterMan
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there is just too much money, for too few rich people and so billions upon billions of dollars end up stashed away to never be injected back into the economy again.

I agree with what you are saying but I am not sure that this statement is correct. It is my impression rightly or wrongly that most of the 'wealth' owned by the 'filthy rich' is in fact paper wealth - stocks and shares and paper gold, titles to things that could not be 'possessed' if you wish to - islands etc for example - if you understand what I mean.

When the system falls they will still be wealthy, but only in terms of the yachts, cars and estates and maybe physical gold etc but much of the 'waelth' will be gone.

In the sense that it is/was in stocks and shares it is/was still in the economy.

Well yea, the real economy is ample, when I speak of "fuel" I mean the paper wealth that is missing. If people do not have paper to spend after businesses, businesses will be in trouble.

It's certainly having a negative effect on ones spelling.

Really?

Isn't Communism where everybody is supposed to help everybody?

I sure don't see much of that where I live....

Originally posted by AudioOne
Here I was having actually lived it, and I can say without a doubt, 100% there is nothing in America that even closely resembles Communism. Not even close, .. people would rebel if we even went 1/100 of that direction. However, just a touch of socialism which is working fine in Denmark and Germany... Well, we need someone to keep up highways, have a national vs state military, and be able to provide help in disasters.

WELL, WELL, WELL, here is someone WHO KNOWS the REAL meaning of COMMUNISM and VERIFIES that America is NOT what the Right wingers claim it to be!!!

Here you go Righties, what SAY YOU???

Originally posted by oper8zhin

Originally posted by AudioOne
Here I was having actually lived it, and I can say without a doubt, 100% there is nothing in America that even closely resembles Communism. Not even close, .. people would rebel if we even went 1/100 of that direction. However, just a touch of socialism which is working fine in Denmark and Germany... Well, we need someone to keep up highways, have a national vs state military, and be able to provide help in disasters.

WELL, WELL, WELL, here is someone WHO KNOWS the REAL meaning of COMMUNISM and VERIFIES that America is NOT what the Right wingers claim it to be!!!

Here you go Righties, what SAY YOU???

No Right wing fellas want to jump in here and answer my question above?

I am sure that a thread that has the word "communism" in it would have you all diving into this thread at warp speed to get involved and go on and on and on about America and "communism" and "socialism". WELL, here is a poster here in this thread that you can VERIFY "communism" and "socialism" life with.

Where are the Righties now??

Good post and a great comment about capitalism choking on it's own success.
True, there is little here resembling communism but we do have socialism-
Socialism of the rich, capitalism for the rest of us.
Worse still is how we argue over labels instead of identifying the problems and addressing them in a fair and balanced manner.

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Communism isnt ruining America. Capitalism is choking on its own success.

reply to post by oper8zhin

WELL, WELL, WELL, here is someone WHO KNOWS the REAL meaning of COMMUNISM and VERIFIES that America is NOT what the Right wingers claim it to be!!!

Here you go Righties, what SAY YOU???

One argument you might get will be what is "Perceived" to be the meaning of "Communism".

The classroom textbook "Grampaw Karl" definition isn't the same as what's seen in the real world.

With all the variations that have cropped up since the mid 1800's, many people have simply taken the lump sum totals and called it "commie".

AudioOne talks about "Communism" in Poland. What variation was that? "Stalinism, "Leninism" or ?

And of course America isn't run by "Communism", but people might argue that there is a lot of "commie" influence in many forms and with many agendas. It all starts with Marxism and goes off on hundreds of tangents.

Maybe it's the "commie" influences that are choking "capitalism" ?..... or perhaps choking the "free market".

Maybe it's the "corporatist" influences (using forms of Marxism ?) on governments that give it that look and feel of "commie".

The super big international corporations (most are "American" based) are enjoying big profits in "commie" countries.


Grampaw wrote about those ten planks that get you there.

How many are we seeing as reality right here in "America" ?

Communism is not only ruining America, it's not ruining ANY country [anymore] - Communism has proven to be a failure and most countries have LONG abandoned it and are now more turning towards "Western Capitalist" than actually "communist" in a strict sense.

Open your eyes, look at Russia, look at China - the prime examples for Communism.

The idea that Communism would come to America is just so utterly idiotic and moronic, I don't even want to comment on that nonsense anymore.


Communism has realized that "pure communism" doesn't work..so they started to think more like capitalists....and the funny thing...we in CAPITALISM also start to see the flaws in capitalism and try to "moderate" it by fixing those flaws.

Both systems, in its pure form...have too many flaws and problems,...fixing capitalism by addressing the problems does NOT turn it magically into Communism. Communism wouldn't have an inch of a chance in America (or ELSEWHERE, for that matter).

When Reps use those words, Communism/Marxism etc. they just make themselves look like total ignorant fools no one can take seriously...

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For better or worse, from my limited experience, textbook talk about communism and reality are so far apart that I feel that some intellectuals on both sides (liberal and conservative,) miss the point. For instance, there are the 10 "planks" ala Marx. In reality, there is not one country that I am aware of that "progressed" slowly into communism. In Russia it was by violent revolution, with machine guns on the streets making the intellectual point, not books and isms. In China, Moa's revolution was violent as well. A country does not slowly vote and legislate itself into communism. I have never seen that, it is by violent military coup. Our military is not communist so no need to stress there. Also, for the most part, Eastern Block countries like Poland did not get to choose intellectual brands of communism. After WWII, the Russian soldiers stayed behind to "help" rebuild the war torn Eastern Block countries, which included sending any dissidents into prison, taking everything, instilling a Polish government with fake Polish accents and biographies that only in the last decade plus have turned out to be actually Russian.. and so on. The brand of communism was all dependent on Russia (unlike China.) My grandma was scared to say something bad about Stalin till her dying day, scared the KGB would take her away. Later things got a little easier (compare to Stalin.) It was hard times still though. The only communism that I am familiar with is one that starts with armed military occupation. Everything else is BS. A little sprig of socialism (like FDR's New Deal,) or moments of more libertine doctrine. Textbook communism is one thing, but historically, it starts and ends with violent military coup. So if anyone fears communism may overtake America, look not to your legislators but to your generals. You can't "vote" in communism. (we are saved from that irony.)

I agree with flexy123 that communism could never happen in America, and that capitalism is showing its flaws. Communism had may more flaws.

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It's certainly having a negative effect on ones spelling

Mine in particular. Waelth!!! Sheesh!

Note to self: Look for the little red wavy lines.


By the way communism sucks as it has been/is. A much better form of "commune-ism" is this

Well, I mentioned the dirty word in another thread about jobs and the unemployed.
I wasn't talking textbook communism.
I was talking about the "state" be it individual states, or federal level becoming the de facto employer of last resort.
We have all the outright employees of the city, county, state and feds.
Then the military and postal employees.
Then all the contractors who supply exclusively or in large majority as suppliers to the above.
Then we have the farmers who receive subsidies and are parially employed to grow or not grow as
price supports allow.
Next we have the medical industry which could not function without Medicare and Medicaid.
Throw in the new mandates for health insurance.
While you are in the area of insurance you can consider all the people who need car insurance due to legislated mandates.
Then we have lawyers themselves and the court system and law enforcement which comes back to the outright employees of the state.
The schools and higher education funding also are almost solely state institutions.

If you were to unwind all this, how many people are not kept in employ in part or in whole by the state?

It's a quasi system but getting more and more overweighted in public sector than private sector economy.
Or so it seems

Here in the US "communism" is used by the entertainment complex (aka "news") to denigrate the "safety net" which every other advanced society has today. They also come up with imaginary examples of fraudulent use of the system (aka 47% remark and so on) but oddly there's never a single case quoted by name. You'd think people defrauding the system would be prosecuted and the files would be public.

The only people I heard of that defrauded the system were the actual providers (hospitals, medical companies, other providers) who overbilled or billed for fictitious services never performed. These cases are usually settled without prosecutions.

But NEVER have I heard of a single regular person claiming fake benefits. Yet we continue to hear of a "culture of dependency" on the govt handouts. The regular people who propagate these myths don't realize that one day they may end up in the unemployment line or having a crippling accident that will leave them dependent on this measly safety net at least for a while until they're able to fend for themselves again.

Of course we can reduce the number of people who need help by increasing the minimum wage based on cost of living (and/or legalizing the illegals to remove cheap labor), giving incentives for continuing education, assisting women with family planning (aka free/low cost birth control & even abortions) and many more things. It's just like preventing a disease and catching it in the early stages rather than letting it evolve to full blown terminal state. Unfortunately these preventive steps are also shunned by the same myth creators in the entertainment complex. Because frankly if we're running out of poor/needy people then who can we blame for the "decay" of our "real" American values?