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British Army Cadets thrown out of Liverpool Shopping Mall For Selling Poppies and Offending Muslims!

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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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So this thread has turned into a history lesson now
The past is the past
But people from the past such as churchill and powell have accurately said this will happen..

Some of the posts here are nothing but wind up merchants
They do not see therefore they dont know




posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Extremism is ANY from is wrong.... be it Muslim extremists, Christian extremists, Jewish Extremists.... Political Extremists...


I agree extremism is wrong. But that doesn't explain why Islam has so many extremists.

Is it perhaps because its founder was a violent extremist?


The use of terror seems to be an indispensable element of a successful insurgency, and no less so in Muhammad’s case.

Muhammad used terror in two basic ways.

First, to keep discipline among his followers by making public examples of traitors or backsliders. It is sometimes forgotten that in Muhammad’s day the penalty for apostasy in Islam was death.

Muhammad also ordered the assassination of some of his political enemies, including poets and singers who had publicly ridiculed him.

HistoryNet


Terror and assassination. All in a days worker for the founder of the religion of peace.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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After reading this thread, i'm amazed some of you are defending the actions of these muslims attacking these young boys selling poppies.

And i'm actually quite insulted, my family forefathers fought and died in these wars..

It seems once again the UK is a nation of lions led by donkeys.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

To harp on about one group so much, so vehemently and so persistently.... tells me that you have a real Issue with Muslims.


The problem is, Muslims seem to have a real issue with anyone who criticizes Islam.

Muhammad himself had people assassinated for criticizing Islam, according to the first biography of his life, written by Ibn Ishaq in 768AD.



• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq


None of this would matter if Islam today was a peaceful religion.


blupblup, sadly I suspect what you know about Islam could be written on the back of an envelope.

Still, that won't stop you defending what you don't understand.


People like yourself don't let your ignorance about a subject get in the way of your fanatical sense of political correctness.


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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

But much of the "Islamphobia" we see in the world... also masks some very clearly racist views.

Keep posting Daily Mail stories about how evil Muslims are..... must be fun, a real noble cause


I hope you don't mind me posting things from the Koran, Hadith and first biography on Muhammad written by a Muslim as well?

Do you know the episode from the Koran where Muhammad beheaded 800 male Jews and enslaved the women and children?


Koran

33:26 And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.

33:27 And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.

www.muslimaccess.com...


For a better explanation of what the Suras refer to, please see

www.quranexplained.co.uk...

33:26 Those People of the Scripture who allied with the clans (despite having a treaty with you), have been taken out from their forts and strongholds, and panic has struck their hearts. Some of them were killed in the battle and others were taken prisoners of war. (The Jewish tribe, Bani Quraizah had violated the treaty, although another Jewish tribe, Bani Nadir of Khyber had also been among the confederates).

A much more comprehensive explanation is that of Ibn Ishaq.

Ibn Ishaq was a devout Muslim historian and was the author of the first biography about Muhammad - Sirat Rasul Allah - "Life of God's Messenger" in 768 AD. He provided details about the episode mentioned in sura 33:26 & 33:27.

www.archive.org...

From page 84 & 85 of Ibn Ishaq's biography about Muhammad



"The apostle of Allah imprisoned the Qurayza in Medina while trenches were dug in the market-place. Then he sent for the men and had their heads struck off so that they fell in the trenches. They were brought out in groups, and among them was Kab, the chief of the tribe. In number, they amounted to six or seven hundred, although some state it to have been eight or nine hundred. All were executed. One man turned to his people and said, 'It matters not! By God's will, the children of Israel were destined for this massacre!’ Then he seated himself and his head was struck off...

...Now the apostle distributed the property of the Banu Qurayza, as well as their women and children, to the Muslims, reserving one-fifth for himself. Every horseman received three shares, one for himself and two for his steed, and every foot soldier one share. There were thirty-six horses present on the day of the Qurayza. The apostle dispatched an emissary to Najd with the prisoners, to barter them as slaves in exchange for horses and camels. The apostle of Allah selected one of the Jewish women, Rayhana, for himself, and she remained with him as his slave until she died. He had suggested marriage to her, that she should wear the veil (to separate her from all other persons, as his wives did), but she replied, 'Rather allow me to remain thy slave; it will be more easy for me, and for thee.'"


Muhammad lays siege to a tribe of Jews. He kills some. He enslaves some. He takes their land and possessions.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by TheMaverick
After reading this thread, i'm amazed some of you are defending the actions of these muslims attacking these young boys selling poppies.

And i'm actually quite insulted, my family forefathers fought and died in these wars..

It seems once again the UK is a nation of lions led by donkeys.


Jinx. Mine did too.

I'm amazed that you've interpreted this thread as such. I think most, if not all people you appear to be criticising are putting things into perspective. I've actually seen no defence of these Muslims at all. Posts declaring suspicion about the nationalist motives about the origin of the story (not, I add, the Op himself). I've seen posts point out that some Muslims are actively engaged in collecting for the poppy appeal (and Muslims getting attacked for it). I've seen posts pointing out that the author has never had problem wearing poppies in areas that are meant to be problematic for poppy wearers. Yet, none actually defending the Muslims who attacked the poppy seller.

Are you really a "Secret Intelligence Service Member"?



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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You do realise that Muslims fought and died with Allied forces in both WW1 and WW2, right?





What gives you the impression I wasn't aware of that knowledge?



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus

You do realise that Muslims fought and died with Allied forces in both WW1 and WW2, right?



To be fair, they fought on both sides.






posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Like many in the West of Scotland, I no longer buy/wear a poppy. I'm not a Muslim, I'm a protestant, white.

I can't stomach it anymore, this annual poppy bedecked parade of politicians in London, standing in front of the Cenotaph whilst they and their paper shufflers are planning yet more wars. Or the church leaders who preach at these services and justify the maiming and killing of others in the name of Jesus. These wars invariably aren't on our soil, they're colonial wars of aggression, they're simply for oil or money or influence or for sending signals to other nations and their corrupt politicians.

These wars don't protect me from anything, they just perpetuate hatred between peoples. They don't protect the poor brave boys of Glasgow, Lanarkshire or Ayrshire, young men I see every day in the course of my employment, these poor souls who come back physically maimed and mentally screwed over. I spent last Monday night with my friend, he's got PTSD from his service in Afghhanistan, we had to sit in a car in the middle of nowhere because this 6'3'' tall man, built like a tank, he's so terrified of the noise from fireworks night that he bursts into tears and looses control of his bladder whenever the fireworks begin.

Yet this is the guy who's now "fit for employment", according to those wonderful doctors at ATOS who have stopped his sickness benefits. Where are the politicians to be found with that ? Nowhere. This poor sod is destitute. He has no money to support himself, he can't even get emergency crisis loans because he has no benefits from which to repay them. These politicians ... the ones you saw this morning exhibiting their most appalling, contrived sympathy for the dead ... they're the ones who have created a benefits system which punishes broken men like him and leaves them penniless, almost destitute without the intervention of Saafa, Erskine and all the other charities.

No. No poppies for me. To me, the original remit of the poppy appeal is now completely redundant. Now it's just an exercise for B list celebrities to draw attention to themselves by "doing something for our soldiers", it's for wonderful "networking opportunities" from arms company salesmen at the Festival of Remembrance at the Royal Albert Hall. And it's for these dirty politicians, those with the blood of our boys on their hands.

No poppies for me. They drum into us "Lest We Forget". Of course, these murdering politicians WANT you to forget, to forget about all about those who died in vain, for what. They want you to forget about the maimed soldiers who come home and are forgotten about.

Of course, you can support the poppy appeal in public, they want you to do that. But they don't want you to post your support for the Peace Pledge Union, or CND or for the Occupy movement on your facebook ... your employers will sack you for expressing your opinion in public "and bringing your company/employer into disrepute".

So much for free bloody speech. You'll be ostracised for refusing to buy a poppy or for daring to express the view that war itself is the evil, that the ruling classes routinely kill our young men with their warmongering. And that we should ALL strive for a peaceful world, we should all express the view confidently that war should always be the very last resort, if it should ever be used at all.

No. No poppies for me. Ever. Ordinary people like us, we NEVER benefit from war, full stop.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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Is there a real source for this story besides theBritish Patriots Society
A site that doesn't have as their motto: Taking Back Our Country?

:-)

Just one other genuine news source?

Just one...

I can find nothing...
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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And i'm actually quite insulted, my family forefathers fought and died in these wars..


What does that have to do with people who speak out against bigotry?

Do you accept this story as fact?

Based on what?
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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So much for free bloody speech. You'll be ostracised for refusing to buy a poppy or for daring to express the view that war itself is the evil, that the ruling classes routinely kill our young men with their warmongering. And that we should ALL strive for a peaceful world, we should all express the view confidently that war should always be the very last resort, if it should ever be used at all.

No. No poppies for me. Ever. Ordinary people like us, we NEVER benefit from war, full stop.


Just thought it was worth repeating

well said



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
Yawn. You're a broken record - always slagging off the UK from foreign shores - you recently wrote that you moved out of the UK.


There is a brain drain out of the UK.


Originally posted by Kandinsky
Family and friends live in Liverpool. But hey, lets not worry about it and pretend you know more about it than someone who lives here.


You know more about Liverpool than I do. Good luck to you.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Or is this just another excuse for the vile bigots and racists to congregate and spew forth their scum for us all?



Is this just an excuse for the politically correct bigots and racists to congregate and spew forth their scum on anyone who expresses a non politically correct opinion?



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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Islam is a violent religion.
That is the problem here, whether its followers realise it or not.
Apart from the extremists, most Muslims brush aside all the hate and violence in the Quran in the same way that Christians do with the bible.
And there's nothing wrong with that, just when a book seems to be mostly bad, yet people claim it to be the opposite, then there's something wrong here.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Stop bickering

please



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Wongbeedman

Apart from the extremists, most Muslims brush aside all the hate and violence in the Quran in the same way that Christians do with the bible.



That is true. Most Muslims just want to get on with their life, although it does depend to a certain where they come from.

It could be pointed out that while the Old Testament is extremely violent, Jesus subsequently softened the message. No such process occurred in the Koran.

In fact, the Koran became more violent and dominating in its messages from Allah as Muhammad became more powerful on earth.

Jesus in the bible was also not a violent warlord who fought battles and spread Christianity by the sword (or at least besieged and killed Jews and seized their land).










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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by NorthernThird
Like many in the West of Scotland, I no longer buy/wear a poppy. I'm not a Muslim, I'm a protestant, white.

I can't stomach it anymore, this annual poppy bedecked parade of politicians in London, standing in front of the Cenotaph whilst they and their paper shufflers are planning yet more wars. Or the church leaders who preach at these services and justify the maiming and killing of others in the name of Jesus. These wars invariably aren't on our soil, they're colonial wars of aggression, they're simply for oil or money or influence or for sending signals to other nations and their corrupt politicians.


One of the best things I've read on here in a long time. I grew up with my grandfather in his house. His older brother died in the Somme and my grandfather himself served in North Africa during WWII.

I don't feel pride, patriotism or any kind of nationalism over this. I just get angry and desperately sad. I own my grandfather's brothers last letters home; they make for really tragic reading.truly heartbreaking. And for what? I pointed out in another thread recently that the vast majority of people who died fighting for Britain during WWI didn't even have a vote and had no political voice or representation. Those who came home after WWII came home to bombsites and rationing for almost another decade. In the meantime, the first multinational firms and bankers made money hand-over-fist. In 2012 the current crop of cannon-fodder are receiving redundancy notices whilst still at the front and yet an economic elite see their incomes increase by almost 30% during the austerity that's the cause of the redundancies.

Meanwhile, on ATS, people are getting angry about Muslims being pissed off at Britain's military and foreign policies. We should ALL be pissed off with Britain's military and foreign policies.

Just to add: Pakistani Muslims wouldn't even be here (and, for all the xenophobes, neither would the Jamaicans, Africans, Indians) if it wasn't for Britain's grasping Imperialism that entrenched wealth and class divide both here and abroad.
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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

I own my grandfather's brothers last letters home; they make for really tragic reading.truly heartbreaking.

And for what?


To stop Hitler from taking over Europe?


Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Meanwhile, on ATS, people are getting angry about Muslims being pissed off at Britain's military and foreign policies.

We should ALL be pissed off with Britain's military and foreign policies.


For sure the rich and powerful use the common soldier for their own selfish purposes and I think most British people are pis*ed off with Britain's military and foreign policies.

That doesn't detract from the fact that most British people are also very angry about having religious extremists, who very much hate the British army, living in their country.



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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Dammmn that was nice. If conversation was based round this it would make it allot more constructive, rather than talking about all this irrelevant crap about a few idiots and spewing hatred over a whole religion

It's weird too, because its pretty much always the same people who start these threads or participate in the bashing of Islam, always the same people


You need to bang that greatness in a thread, its too nice for page 5 of a hatred thread




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