Giant sonic boom felt and heard in Indianapolis Indiana(meteor? mass devastation Info blocade

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
It's pretty crazy that this was moved for some weak, lame excuse. It's pretty clear that this was moved to ensure less eyes hit the story. Nothing more, nothing less.

I was going with gas explosion, but because of this move I have more doubts than ever.

Guess our Overlord answers to people higher up.

Yes. It seems the facts as they appear do add up that way. I think I will have to agree with you on all points.

Then again, the fact that no moderator has replied could be considered a clear answer in itself, and given what that implies...I think it is completely understandable.

reply to post by Maskander


Wow you were that close??? I had read somewhere that a drone was supposed to hit two different military bases near indy. If you look at my post above yours, I'm having a hard time wrapping my little polish pea brain around how in the hell can a house explode (by natural gas) and have Alot of timber, wood that aren't even scorched. I had pointed out earlier in the thread you can still see the color of the paint on the end indicating the size and it looked like it was just bought. can you explain that?

Originally posted by Maskander
www.liveleak.com...
2nd video

The more and more I watch missle and drone attacks, the more I believe that what I experienced that night was exactly that. from every point in that video is familiar to what I experienced.

edit on 17-11-2012 by Maskander because: (no reason given)

Well if you were going to entertain that (and I don't eliminate much of anything myself just yet) a directed energy weapon might explain the damage as much or more than anything. Hey not ruling out nat. gas (don't anyone panic) just sayin....

reply to post by Trillium


That is called willful ignorance.

Completely ignore facts presented to you, misinterpret words, and argue semantics, all just to keep your little conspiracy theory alive.

Of course you wouldn't buy it. You went all in, and bet all your chips on an alternative theory, so will never admit to anything that doesn't support your wild theory because that would be like folding your hand early.

Face it. The explosion originated from ONE house, and was powerful enough to destroy the house next to it, and seriously damage other houses around it. That is what firefighters have claimed, that is what investigators have claimed, that is the what media have been reporting (as long as you don't misinterpret their words)...

Your veiled insult was pathetic too. Insisting I "have a job to do" like I'm some government agent trying to cover up this stupid gas explosion. Paranoid delusions is what they call that.

Originally posted by thepolish1
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I'm having a hard time wrapping my little polish pea brain around how in the hell can a house explode (by natural gas) and have Alot of timber, wood that aren't even scorched. I had pointed out earlier in the thread you can still see the color of the paint on the end indicating the size and it looked like it was just bought. can you explain that?

It's the same reason other houses were damaged but not scorched by fire - there was a massive pressure wave, pushing out from the explosion, ahead of any fire ball. It would have taken some materials with it.

Originally posted by Trillium
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Sorry did not buy into it 80 page ago 30, 20, 10, or now.
But I guess you have your job to do (Just saying)
and NO I'm not sure what did it still looking for better info.

You were basing your certainty that two houses exploded on the news report which you used as evidence, then when it's pointed out to you that it doesn't actually say that, you now DON'T accept the news report as evidence?
So on what are you basing your certainty that two houses exploded?

(and PLEASE never imply that someone posting their opinion here 'has a job to do' as if they're actively hiding the truth from you, that's intellectual drivel.)

Originally posted by illuminated0ne
reply to post by Trillium

 

That is called willful ignorance.

Completely ignore facts presented to you, misinterpret words, and argue semantics, all just to keep your little conspiracy theory alive.

Of course you wouldn't buy it. You went all in, and bet all your chips on an alternative theory, so will never admit to anything that doesn't support your wild theory because that would be like folding your hand early.

Face it. The explosion originated from ONE house, and was powerful enough to destroy the house next to it, and seriously damage other houses around it. That is what firefighters have claimed, that is what investigators have claimed, that is the what media have been reporting (as long as you don't misinterpret their words)...

Your veiled insult was pathetic too. Insisting I "have a job to do" like I'm some government agent trying to cover up this stupid gas explosion. Paranoid delusions is what they call that.

edit on 18-11-2012 by illuminated0ne because: (no reason given)

Your the one that seem upset that i don't buy into it.
I'm not sure what did it so I'm willing to keep a open mind still and saying it a done deal will not change it either.
Ho so why are you still saying what your saying if you have no new info you just keep repeating the same thing.
Like this is 4 or 5 time you have the same info come back when you have something new to say.
I' m pretty sure everybody on this thread know your side of the story by now.
Ho and I reserve the right to say i don't buy into it as long as you keep saying you do. Tic for Tac

willful ignorance
wild theory
Paranoid delusions
And Your veiled insult are pathetic also see goes both way.

Originally posted by delusion

Originally posted by Trillium
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Sorry did not buy into it 80 page ago 30, 20, 10, or now.
But I guess you have your job to do (Just saying)
and NO I'm not sure what did it still looking for better info.

You were basing your certainty that two houses exploded on the news report which you used as evidence, then when it's pointed out to you that it doesn't actually say that, you now DON'T accept the news report as evidence?
So on what are you basing your certainty that two houses exploded?

(and PLEASE never imply that someone posting their opinion here 'has a job to do' as if they're actively hiding the truth from you, that's intellectual drivel.)

Your starting to sound like a moderator
You should wait till they ask you to be one
( PLEASE never imply )
why not you have no problem doing it.

reply to post by Trillium


No, everyone is watching you gasping for air at this point.


You had a theory, based on evidence that you pointed out as proof of your theory.

You did not have a long list of evidence, simply a gut feeling and a news report. Then, the kind folks of ATS, point out that your evidence was misinterpreted. With "zilch, 0.0" as far as self supporting evidence, you overlook the epic evidence pointing to a different theory, and continue to "fight the fight"

Some day, this internet disorder will be laid out in clear form in several psychiatry books.

Apparently people here put less value on forum credibility than they do personal credibility.....

Originally posted by MobiusShaun
reply to post by Trillium

 

No, everyone is watching you gasping for air at this point.


You had a theory, based on evidence that you pointed out as proof of your theory.

You did not have a long list of evidence, simply a gut feeling and a news report. Then, the kind folks of ATS, point out that your evidence was misinterpreted. With "zilch, 0.0" as far as self supporting evidence, you overlook the epic evidence pointing to a different theory, and continue to "fight the fight"

Some day, this internet disorder will be laid out in clear form in several psychiatry books.

Apparently people here put less value on forum credibility than they do personal credibility.....

Since your so good with all those big work why don't you start on that psychiatry book
Maybe they or you can come up with a ( must agree at all time with what is said Disorder ) syndrome
I don't know what did it But I still don't buy into it

The Fire Department very plainly said two houses blew up. If "A" house blew up, obviously that is what they would have said.


Fire department spokeswoman Bonnie Hensley said early Sunday that two houses sitting next to one another blew up.

Read more: www.kcra.com...

” fire-department spokeswoman Lt. Bonnie Hensley said of the inferno that erupted after two neighborhood homes exploded around 11 p.m. local time for unknown reasons. Three dozen homes were damaged or destroyed in the fire that

reply to post by Maskander


Scared of what?

I mean...I understand what you're saying, but, why on earth would this promote "fear" into you?

reply to post by sprtpilot


More misinterpreting what is being said... Semantics...

Yes two houses exploded, I agree with that. Just like I also agree that the "Little Boy" that was dropped on Hiroshima exploded 100+ houses within a 1 mile radius. Yes, ONE bomb exploded 100+ houses in Hiroshima, sort of like ONE explosion from ONE house in Indianapolis exploded 2 houses.

If we use your "logic", and the "logic" of other people on this forum, we could probably conclude that there were 100+ explosions in every single house in Hiroshima based on the fact that 100s of houses exploded. But that would just be silly. There was only one explosion.

You know what we learned from Hiroshima, and other explosion tests? That a 5psi blast overpressure is a significant threshold for structurally damaging urban buildings. Any urban building experiencing up to 5psi shock wave can be crushed, toppled, or gutted by the force of air pressure. With Hiroshima, one mile way from ground zero the blast overpressure was still at 5psi, which is fairly strong.

Here is more info about blast overpressure:
en.wikipedia.org...

10 pounds per square inch (69 kPa)
-Reinforced concrete buildings severely damaged
-Severe heart and lung damage
-Limbs can be blown off

4 pounds per square inch (28 kPa)
-Most buildings collapse except concrete buildings
-Injuries universal
-Fatalities occur

2 pounds per square inch (14 kPa)
-Residential structures collapse
-Brick walls destroyed
-Injuries common
-Fatalities may occur

As you can see, residential structures can completely collapse with only a 2 psi blast overpressure, which is not a lot in the natural gas explosion world.

Here is the "Gas Explosion Handbook":
www.gexcon.com...

...and more information on overpressure:
software-web.com...

Reading those sources you will learn that blast waves from gas explosions can cause high pressures far away from the area of the explosion, and learn about their effect on structures, and much more. You will learn that typical deflagration explosions of gas can reach up to 8 bar, which is 116 psi. You will learn that typical detonation explosions of gas can be between 15 to 20 bar, which is 290 psi.

According to the data we know about gas explosions and their blast overpressure, and looking at the amount of damage in Indianapolis, and an estimate of the distance between the two houses that collapsed; I would say it would take a gas explosion with an initial blast overpressure of 1 bar (a small-medium sized gas explosion) to make BOTH of the houses collapse. In a semi-open environment the 1.0 bar blast overpressure would destroy the source house, then dissipate to 0.15 bar by the time it reach 50 meters away, which is 2.17 psi, enough to make the house next to it collapse.

I did read the entire thread, up until page 93 or so, when it became abundantly clear that if anything up to and including a tomahawk takes out your house, the entire world will focus on your mortgage and personal life. Post by post I watched this topic veer onto this deliberate tack.

Who isn't upside down on their mortgage?

This is a laughable topic at this point. Obviously something came from the sky.

The question is...was it something they controlled, or something they lost control of?

To me, it is the latter, and was spotted burning out of control by many witnesses. Where it landed was purely random, once the signal was overtaken.

Back to your researching of kitty sitters and upside down mortgages....

reply to post by sprtpilot


Let me ask you something... Why is Monseratte Shirley getting all sorts of attention and blame? Because it is her house that is believed to be the source of the explosion. ONE house.

www.usatoday.com...

Monseratte Shirley, owner of home believe to be the source of explosion, talks.

Shirley, who has denied numerous previous requests for interviews, said she has been hounded by reporters since the day she learned her house in the Richmond Hill subdivision might be the source of the devastating explosion.

I'm pretty sure it has been stated in several sources and investigators that her house is suspected to be the source of the explosion, and that only ONE house was the source of the explosion. So your belief that "both houses exploded at the same time", because it supports whatever wild theory you have, is unfounded.

reply to post by illuminated0ne


I read through most of this thread waiting for someone to bring this up, then finally hit the last page and the last post and there it was.

One of the first articles I came across stated the following

Source

However, most of the focus has fallen on Shirley, the owner of the home at 8349 Fieldfare Way.

Shirley has had financial troubles. She pulled her house off the market after it didn’t sell.

She and her boyfriend were out of town for the weekend visiting a casino. Her daughter was staying with friends. Their cat had been boarded. Neighbors said a truck parked in front of the house for some time was moved on the afternoon of the blast. Shirley, attempting to quell the rumors, gave a series of interviews to local news media last week. They didn’t seem to stop the questions coming her way.

Now while the main point used in discarding the gas explosion theory, is that the gas company has been focusing on the possibility of it being a natural gas leak, a failure in there supply that would have left trace evidence in the soil. But, what if it wasn't a leak coming from a failure in their underground system, but instead had it's source above ground?

I can tell you it is amazing how far the shock wave of a natural gas explosion can travel. In 1984, there was a natural gas explosion in Lemont, Illinois at Union Oil.

At the time of the blast I was at Denny;s with some friends 10 miles away in Joliet. The boom was so loud we thought the air conditioners on the roof had blown up, so we got up and went outside for a look. This Denny's was located in front of a strip mall and when we went out to look at what we thought was a air conditioner explosion we were confronted by seeing all the windows in the strip mall had been blown out. It was unbelievable that the blast wave traveled so far.

Originally posted by Trillium


Your starting to sound like a moderator
You should wait till they ask you to be one
( PLEASE never imply )
why not you have no problem doing it.

I'm free to comment on what you say, as are you to comment on what I say, although I at least make mine based on facts. Where have I ever implied anyone is a paid disinformation agent? I have higher ethics than that, but also, as a member of this board, so should you (it's against T&C).
I have no problem doing what? Intellectual drivel? Fine, but I at least don't claim you disagreeing with me is a plot against me. That's what I mean by intellectual drivel - the products of your thoughts when you do so is literally mush and add nothing to this.
It's totally fine that you think otherwise as to the cause of the explosion, but don't say you know for certain when it's impossible for anyone to know at this point, unless they're the person that pressed the button. And give us all good reasons for your thinking, especially ones based on real world physics or personal experience. We're all curious about this, and nothing is definitely known about the cause, so when you give an opinion, its good if you can explain to us why you think that.
Like, I'm still curious why you were happy to accept the report as evidence when it supported two houses blowing up at once, but when it's read correctly to not say that, you now don't accept the report? So there's some other evidence you're not sharing? Please do.

Here's a wild theory;

Oops! Taliban Reveals Mailing List of their Members

Maybe the owner of the house was on the list.....ahhhhh!!!!! lol

Just wondering...have the mods gave a reason why this has been moved yet. That seems puzzling in itself. Whats even more puzzling, if there hasnt been a reason giving and why.

Come on, run away from it!