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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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It would be much easier and make much more sense to just buy them out, take away their citizenship and pay their transport to whatever country they want to go to if they don't want to be a part of this one. It's no longer "The United States ARE", it's "The United States IS". The federally held lands belong to the entire country, not just an individual state.

Additionally, there are MANY people who are doing the shouting that are getting money from the "gubment" and that would be ended as well. It's doubtful they even realize this. They only know what fauxe news tell them and faux hasn't told them that part.

At least 80% of the people I know that get federal assistance in the form of welfare or foodstamps are staunch republicans. They're going to have a very rude awakening.

Unless every resident of the state wishes to secede, it would be stepping on the rights of those against it to allow it. Just because a very vocal group happens to THINK this is what they want doesn't mean it's what the people actually want. Maybe we should give them a fortaste of it and cut off all federal funding while the application is being considered to give them some idea of what the result would be



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???


The Indians never gave up North America,
the United States took it from them,
with force and words they did not understand.

How about you prove the United Nations will not just take over the area.
And United Nations will not determine,
New Zealand should be a penile colony.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???


The Indians never gave up North America,
the United States took it from them,
with force and words they did not understand.

How about you prove the United Nations will not just take over the area.
And United Nations will not determine,
New Zealand should be a penile colony.


Better thought: how about you prove that the UN is planning to, or is otherwise already in the process of taking over the US?

Extraordinary claims, and all.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???


The Indians never gave up North America,
the United States took it from them,
with force and words they did not understand.

How about you prove the United Nations will not just take over the area.
And United Nations will not determine,
New Zealand should be a penile colony.


Better thought: how about you prove that the UN is planning to, or is otherwise already in the process of taking over the US?

Extraordinary claims, and all.


How about you prove that this new secession
is not about freeing the tax slaves of America?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???


The Indians never gave up North America,
the United States took it from them,
with force and words they did not understand.

How about you prove the United Nations will not just take over the area.
And United Nations will not determine,
New Zealand should be a penile colony.


Better thought: how about you prove that the UN is planning to, or is otherwise already in the process of taking over the US?

Extraordinary claims, and all.


How about you prove that this new secession
is not about freeing the tax slaves of America?


Ok, I'll take that as you admitting you have no evidence for your claims of the UN's secret plans for taking over US lands.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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What I read in the news is,
The Tax Free Rich citizens,
need to pay more in tax,
enslaving them with the middle class.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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As a tax slave the only way I can get my handouts,
is to defend the rich for free.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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reply to post by Sink the Bismarck!
 


You were hoping for a plea bargain,
most people cannot enter into an argument
unless they get the other side to give up.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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The Indians of North America were also unable to provide proof at the time,
That The United States of America was taking away their livelihood.
edit on 13-11-2012 by Rudy2shoes because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???


The Indians never gave up North America,
the United States took it from them,
with force and words they did not understand.

How about you prove the United Nations will not just take over the area.
And United Nations will not determine,
New Zealand should be a penile colony.


Better thought: how about you prove that the UN is planning to, or is otherwise already in the process of taking over the US?

Extraordinary claims, and all.


How about you prove that this new secession
is not about freeing the tax slaves of America?


Ok, I'll take that as you admitting you have no evidence for your claims of the UN's secret plans for taking over US lands.


Dat ego



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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23% of the children in the state of Texas are below the poverty level.
55.4% of the population is on welfare (federal assistance)
The median family income is 37 out of 51 (DC is what makes it 51 as opposed to 50)
Only 13.8% of families have retirement income. That's 47th out of 51.

If they secede, there will be no federal payments, no welfare, no SS, none of the benefits offered by the federal government. I say let them go....of course we'll retain any federally owned land and resources as well as the military since they're federal, not state. If they want to "drop out" and join Texas' own military, fine, but they lose everything including their citizenship.

Sorry texas, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want out, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, but don't expect anything given to you by the US government.

...oh, and watch out for the nukes



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by xavi1000
reply to post by anon4m05
 


452054 signatures , about 0.4 % from election votes week ago.Bill O'Reilly have more views on youtube.


It's funny you guys keep jumping on these numbers as if that's not much but consider that it's only been a few days and the petitions will stay up for 30 days. Going to get interesting and will spark a debate.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by LightWarrior11

Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Sink the Bismarck!

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???


The Indians never gave up North America,
the United States took it from them,
with force and words they did not understand.

How about you prove the United Nations will not just take over the area.
And United Nations will not determine,
New Zealand should be a penile colony.


Better thought: how about you prove that the UN is planning to, or is otherwise already in the process of taking over the US?

Extraordinary claims, and all.


How about you prove that this new secession
is not about freeing the tax slaves of America?


Ok, I'll take that as you admitting you have no evidence for your claims of the UN's secret plans for taking over US lands.


Dat ego


Yeah, I'm real egotistical for pressing Rudy2shoes to provide any kind of evidence for their claims about the UN.

And for the record, seeing as how Rudy is histrionically equating paying taxes with being enslaved, it's obvious this line of discussion is going nowhere fast, so I'm out.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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Someone on this site laughed at the idea of a new world order,
he/she claimed we are still under control of the old world order.
What does it matter what we humans think,
as it appears we lost a long time ago.
So I am agreeing when we laugh at the UN/NWO taking over,
no one has defeated the OWO yet.


edit on 13-11-2012 by Rudy2shoes because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes
So if The United States could take control of certain areas.
Why do we doubt something called
The United Nations can't do it?


Of course the UN "could" do it - they have controlled certain areas before under various emergencies - and still do in New York


But how about you back up your claim that the US is going to turn over waterways to UN control, instead of moving the goal posts???


The Indians never gave up North America,
the United States took it from them,
with force and words they did not understand.

How about you prove the United Nations will not just take over the area.
And United Nations will not determine,
New Zealand should be a penile colony.


you made the claim so why are you so angry that I asked for evidence to support it?

You weer not angry when I first asked for evidence and you provided a link to the front page of hte UN website for agenda 21. I couldn't find anything in there about waterways so I thought yuo wouldbe able to show where on that page your evidnce was - but instead you make these stupid posts and try shifting hte burden of proof.

So are you saying that in fact you do not have any evidence to support your claim - that you just made it up?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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Let em sign their petition, makes the job of the Department of Homeland Security's job much, much easier!


....Domestic terrorists? ... hmmm lemme check my list...



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
My opinion is it's a bunch of cry-baby sore losers who want to take their ball and go home and in the process create a second civil war.

If they secede, I say we nuke me.


If you really want to nuke yourself, then be glad to nuke ya



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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reply to post by Rudy2shoes
 


this was the quote

The federal gov't has, or it's trying to = give the "waterways" control to the UN in the sea treaty - which would include the gulf and the Mississippi River.

it says give control.
there was nothing on that link about giving away or giving control.
i will wait for you to try to prove it





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