States petitioning to secede from union

I think everyone needs to tread very lightly here and really trust their gut instincts with this.
First, let's look at things that the people have demonstrated with their votes that they want, but the government is going to do what they want anyways.
Ex#1: Puerto Rico
The people have spoken with their votes, but the government is still mum on this issue.
Ex#2 Ending marijuana prohibition
The people have spoken with their votes, but the government appears to be ignoring them and appears hell bent on continuing the uberfailed War on Drugs.
Ex#3: The Occupy Movement
We know it started as an honest and peaceful rebellion, but was hijacked and tainted with swift and ease by the use of provacateurs who were getting paid to create violence and do deeds that the media would latch onto.

What do I see in regards to these petitions?
An easy way to add more names to the Terrorist Watch List.

We are being controlled by the Department of Homeland Security who has the audacity to call our veterans terrorists. I'm sure they have no problem considering these petition signers terrorists as well.

Like George W. stated: "You're either with us or you're against us."

I simply do not understand why people here are stuck on the idea that secession has to require a war. At least a shooting war anyway. Most definitely it would be a war of lawyers, big time, but we've evolved beyond a contest of arms in such events as this.

A lot of what I've said up until now has been tongue in cheek. You people take this exercise of rights a bit too seriously, for sure. Do I think anything will come of this? Heck no. Being put on the terrorist list by HLS, sure, it's a slam dunk we DO live in a police state today but anyone that posts here is already on a watch list anyway so what's the loss there? Putting one's name to a petition is nothing more than a comment on the events of the past week. The real losses are appearing in the markets now as anyone with any kind of assets worth anything at all are selling out and going away as any logical investor ought to. The markets represent everyone's future and the idiocrats in D.C. have fallen into the trap of believing they can either dictate their direction or they don't matter at all. They are no better than the last of the old guard of the old Soviet Union before it fell. Almost everyone inside the beltway in D.C. is brain dead.

I was missing the stories about alien armadas and blockades at Jupiter.
This topic is as refreshing as it is scary.

Seceding talk really brings the nuts out of the woodwork.

reply to post by butcherguy


It's not about GDP my friend, it's about your ability to OPERATE as a nation.

Where are they going to get their energy needs? How are they going to work out international import/export deals?

The Federal Government controls the Gulf so you'd be paying big bucks to them. The whole problem is logistics.

~Tenth

As an update for the signatures of each state; my count is 31 states. Bold for states that are either passed the 25,000 mark or approaching it;

Georgia; 22,402
Rhode Island; 481
Virginia; 1,654
Wisconsin; 1,383
Ohio; 2, 873
Utah; 4,895
South Dakota; 2,623
West Virginia;2,908
Nebraska;3,105
Pennsylvania;8, 510
Alaska (seeking a debate to secede);4,002
Kansas;3,984
Oaklahoma;12, 367
Wyoming;5,069
California;6,905
New York;5,079
Nevada;6,736
Delaware; 5,182
Arizona; 13, 395
Arkansas;15, 789
South Carolina;16,408
North Carolina; 20, 552
Missisouri;13,296
Tennesse; 21,052
Michigan;13,935
New York; 11,632
Oregon; 10,846
New Jersey; 10,389
Montana; 10,135
Indiana; 14,044
Mississippi; 13,239
Kentucky;13, 216
Florida; 23, 553
Texas; 78, 937
Alabama; 21,788
Louisiana; 29, 690

Some states have more than 1 petition circulating, so I'm not 100% if these numbers are correct. In total, that's
452054 signatures

reply to post by anon4m05


452054 signatures , about 0.4 % from election votes week ago.Bill O'Reilly have more views on youtube.

That because most people can't find the website - petitions.whitehouse.gov... and I'd bet most that do are scared spitless that putting their name down on a petition that condemns this administration puts a target on their forehead.

Also it is not being followed much, if at all by the news agencies. I think the only place I've seen it is Drudge. A friend told me this morning an article was on MSNBC about it but it was no longer there. They're treating the story like they did Ron Paul. Ignore it and it'll go away. Ok ... maybe.

Originally posted by anon4m05
As an update for the signatures of each state; my count is 31 states. Bold for states that are either passed the 25,000 mark or approaching it;

Georgia; 22,402
Rhode Island; 481
Virginia; 1,654
Wisconsin; 1,383
Ohio; 2, 873
Utah; 4,895
South Dakota; 2,623
West Virginia;2,908
Nebraska;3,105
Pennsylvania;8, 510
Alaska (seeking a debate to secede);4,002
Kansas;3,984
Oaklahoma;12, 367
Wyoming;5,069
California;6,905
New York;5,079
Nevada;6,736
Delaware; 5,182
Arizona; 13, 395
Arkansas;15, 789
South Carolina;16,408
North Carolina; 20, 552
Missisouri;13,296
Tennesse; 21,052
Michigan;13,935
New York; 11,632
Oregon; 10,846
New Jersey; 10,389
Montana; 10,135
Indiana; 14,044
Mississippi; 13,239
Kentucky;13, 216
Florida; 23, 553
Texas; 78, 937
Alabama; 21,788
Louisiana; 29, 690

Some states have more than 1 petition circulating, so I'm not 100% if these numbers are correct. In total, that's
452054 signatures

edit on 13-11-2012 by anon4m05 because: (no reason given)

You have New York listed twice.

reply to post by MasonicFantom


actually, i embrace a christian way of life. where we take care of our neighbors and look after each other.
not your fascist way of life where corporations get the perks and individuals get tossed in the toilet

reply to post by Davian


Ahh, my mistake. Though in my defense, it is also listed twice on the website with the petitions

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I believe Texas has its own powergrid.

The federal gov't has, or it's trying to = give the "waterways" control to the UN in the sea treaty - which would include the gulf and the Mississippi River.

Even more reason for states to attempt to secede.

If the middle states seceded, they could negotiate their own trade deals -- the biggest one would be with Canada for the pipeline. Getting out from under the ridiculous federal regulations would help everyone involved, and you can bet hard-working, freedom loving, americans would flock to these state to get away from the communist regime in DC.

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

The federal gov't has, or it's trying to = give the "waterways" control to the UN in the sea treaty - which would include the gulf and the Mississippi River.

Link?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

The federal gov't has, or it's trying to = give the "waterways" control to the UN in the sea treaty - which would include the gulf and the Mississippi River.

Link?

Here you go Gaul
www.un.org...

reply to post by Rudy2shoes


where there does it say anything about giving them away?

Originally posted by rickm
reply to post by Rudy2shoes

 

where there does it say anything about giving them away?

I thought we were talking control?
You can't give anything away,
unless someone else is willing to take control.

I will wait for proof that I can play Huck Finn,
and float my UN-registered boat down the Mississippi River or even into the Gulf.
You all can pretend we are free
but those stories, are now fiction.

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

The federal gov't has, or it's trying to = give the "waterways" control to the UN in the sea treaty - which would include the gulf and the Mississippi River.

Link?

Here you go Gaul
www.un.org...

I see nothing in there about waterways at all.

I could be wrong but I think The United States of America,
send Lewis and Clark up the rivers,
before they even owned them or had control.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Rudy2shoes

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

The federal gov't has, or it's trying to = give the "waterways" control to the UN in the sea treaty - which would include the gulf and the Mississippi River.

Link?

Here you go Gaul
www.un.org...

I see nothing in there about waterways at all.

Anti-Agenda 21 slacktivists are particularly talented at extrapolating nefarious plots for world domination from non-binding action plans, apparently.

My opinion is it's a bunch of cry-baby sore losers who want to take their ball and go home and in the process create a second civil war.

If they secede, I say we nuke me.