Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government

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posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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Can LA sustain itself without federal help?

What if another Katrina-like disaster occurs?



Then they better hope we don't listen to the staunch anti-foreign aid rhetoric from the far right and libertarians. I think they are mostly a part of that camp. Ironic.




posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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The petition to disclose all information about extraterrestrial aliens is much better. petitions.whitehouse.gov...



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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If 20 other States seceded with LA and formed their own Union, they probably would do a better job than the US government did with Katrina or Sandy.

Veterans Deploy To Northeast After Superstorm Sandy
www.npr.org...

Thank you to all veterans on your day of remembrance!



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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I am a reactionary, just like that impetuous state.
I say, cut 'em lose and see if it works.

This is probably not what will happen though. I think they are bluffing.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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I've seen plenty of ass-kissing posts for our vets.

Let's stick to the topic at hand.

I'd like to see you prove that because I have no faith in these states, which would likely consist of red states that love the tax dollars they get from the blue states.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
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If 20 other States seceded with LA and formed their own Union, they probably would do a better job than the US government did with Katrina or Sandy.

Veterans Deploy To Northeast After Superstorm Sandy
www.npr.org...

Thank you to all veterans on your day of remembrance!


Ha ha! Leave it to private industry and everything in the country will "be under legal review" and we will have to have action committees go in and fix the problems they cause. They ALWAYS end up costing more in the long run in lives and money.
Here is an example of private outsourcing killing our military...and if it doesn't work there...?

US Troops Still dodging Deadly Showers


Task Force SAFE, which oversees the inspections and repairs, is aimed at preventing deaths like that of Staff Sgt. Ryan Maseth, 24, of Pittsburgh. He died in January 2008, one of at least three soldiers killed while showering since the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Scores more soldiers suffered shocks between September 2006 and July 2008, according to a database maintained by KBR Inc., the Houston-based contractor that oversees maintenance at most U.S. facilities in Iraq.

"We got a ton of buildings we know probably aren't safe ..."It's Russian roulette. I cringe every time I hear of a shock."

Ron Vance, who served as a sergeant in the California Army National Guard, remembers being knocked out cold in a shower building in 2004 in Taji, Iraq. He said he screamed and fell while showering, suffering burns on his back and shoulders. Another soldier who tried to pry him from the shower head also was injured.



Last year, 94 troops stationed in Iraq, Afghanistan or other Central Command countries sought medical treatment for electric shock, according to Defense Department health data.... database lists 231 electric shock incidents in the more than 89,000 facilities the company runs in Iraq, according to military records.

KBR is the target of a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Maseth's family. They claim the company knew there were electrical problems in the building where he died, but didn't fix them. His mother testified last year on Capitol Hill. Army investigators have since reclassified Maseth's death as negligent homicide caused by KBR and two of its supervisors. An Army investigator said KBR failed to ensure work was done by qualified electricians and plumbers. The case is under legal review.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
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If 20 other States seceded with LA and formed their own Union, they probably would do a better job than the US government did with Katrina or Sandy.

Veterans Deploy To Northeast After Superstorm Sandy
www.npr.org...

Thank you to all veterans on your day of remembrance!


You mean soldiers like these guys in Katrina?



They practically beat our guys there. Thankfully, our borders are a bit lax.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by phroziac
The petition to disclose all information about extraterrestrial aliens is much better. petitions.whitehouse.gov...


haha only 1 signature? Did you just sign that? It's cool though



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by TheOneElectric
Can it work?

Can you breathe in space without a containment suit?


That's absurd.

Of the 17 smallest countries in the world, Palau is the largest at 191 square miles and a population of 20,000.
Vatican city is .2 square miles.

Of the top 100 economies in the world 14 are us cities.

Of the top 100 economies in the world 36 are US states.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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All you that are making fun of any state leaving this union of states....
We went thru oppression once, it can happen again.
We went thru a revolution to form our own republic, it can happen again.
We went thru a civil war and survived, it can happen again.
We went thru many rebellions and civil protests, they can happen again.

With Obamas dismantling of the US Constitution and his complete disregard for going thru elected officials of congress it puts even more thought on succession by some.

If Obama gets his desire and complete the Cloward and Pivens plan to bankrupt and over throw the capitalist system of America to recreate Amerika into a Marxist country with a New Constitution of limited rights to the individual and unlimited rights of the government, the country may in fact fall apart and be realigned.

And if so it would not be single states going out on their own, but a conglomerate probably led by Texas and other Southern states, and most likely the New England and Pacific ocean states would be left out. With probably picking up the Central Canada Provinces, and part of Mexico and Cuba in a land grab of some means to completely control the entire southern region and the Gulf and Pacific ocean access.

The question is not whether Louisiana could survive on its own, but could the deeply government dependent states of hugely democratic control survive on their own means if realignment does in fact happen after Obama completes his Cloward and Pivens Plan. ?

Before you reply with your short snappy remarks, or your long winded politically incorrect remarks, take the time to do a proper search on the Cloward and Pivens Plan that Obama learned at Columbia University from the 2 professors the same names. Compare and Contrast the Plan side by side with Obamas Agenda and what he has done and is doing currently.

You can only push a group of people so far into the corner until they strike back.

BTW Obama permanently sealed all his college courses, papers, thesis, grades, from full public viewing by an Amendment Attachment to one the first Executive Orders in his first week of office in 2008.

Cloward and Pivens Plan to Bankrupt and recreate America into a Marxist State.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Blah blah blah.

Nothing you say makes any sense because it hits all the right-wing sweet spots (marxism, end of capitalism, blah blah blah).

I'd love to see these states put their money where their mouth is and secede. They won't last long unless they have resources, a way to market them and a way to provide for their citizens beyond those who are wealthy beyond all means.

They won't do it because they're cowards that would never even try.

Secede and watch all that money evaporate overnight. What are they going to do when their own citizens rebel once they're left with no food, no water and no jobs?



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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Blah blah blah.

Nothing you say makes any sense because it hits all the right-wing sweet spots (marxism, end of capitalism, blah blah blah).

I'd love to see these states put their money where their mouth is and secede. They won't last long unless they have resources, a way to market them and a way to provide for their citizens beyond those who are wealthy beyond all means.

They won't do it because they're cowards that would never even try.

Secede and watch all that money evaporate overnight. What are they going to do when their own citizens rebel once they're left with no food, no water and no jobs?



Now, it's been said this is not the Louisiana government that is asking for this.. it's just some guy who made a petition. Louisiana is not doing this But I believe if ANY state government was serious about this they would have thought the situation through and made contingency plans. They KNOW what federal government money is used for and the Know they would have to replace that money or change the things that depend on it to another system so those programs could survive. No state government would go into this without a lot of serious planning for months or years before they announced such plans to the public. They would need to believe it was doable first.

Your not giving these people enough credit. For a state government to call for this means that already all of their legislators will have had to discuss it before hand. When it's first brought up tons of people will be against it asking " What If" questions. Those will all have to be answered to a reasonable extent before the state government could move forward on the issue.

I firmly believe if Louisiana or any other state wanted this, they could easily do it by a little creative re-thinking - and the people would not have to suffer one bit.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Since these petitions are quite bogus, I made another thread explaining it a bit better.

State's Secession is a Viral Meme. You can't leave!

There's simply no precedent for the states to leave the union. This is not good, but inevitable, unless some sort of change occurs. President Obama will have his hands full if this becomes serious.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Given the current climate in today's economy I doubt Louisiana would be wise to do this, bit like the issues that were raised about Scotland and UK.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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If they, or anyone for that matter wants to form their own Union.. I think they should have that right.

However, I would like to know how much of the trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt will they still be accountable for? They can't just leave the rest of us hanging like that! Going get tough.... ya leave? I just don't like it... but to each their own.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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no state is going to secede. it's not gonna happen. it's laughable and people need to get over it. romney lost for a reason and that doesn't mean just under half of america gets to act like spoiled brats who were just told they can't eat candy for breakfast.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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If Obama gets his desire and complete the Cloward and Pivens plan to bankrupt and over throw the capitalist system of America to recreate Amerika into a Marxist country with a New Constitution of limited rights to the individual and unlimited rights of the government, the country may in fact fall apart and be realigned.

So Obama's been secretly running things for the past 50 years when we built up the first 10 trillion dollars of our debt.
If there's a plan to do those things....Obama is just a pawn.

Whatever, keep blaming their scapegoat. see if it does anything.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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What a joke! To all those that think they can secede - Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! Good riddance!



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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This is major serious if something like this movement would take off and has alot of support.



posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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Fine. I want the Katrina money back. The Army Corp of Engineer work repaid. All the restoration money after the BP stuff and Katrina, all the welfare, medicare, and medicaid money, all the social security money...... you don't want big government, stop using big government. Protect yourself, pay your own way. No more military bases or money, no more defense contractor factories or work, no more federal funds for schools, highways, many other programs, tariffs for imports to the U.S. as they are not members of trade organizations or treaties.... suicide.






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