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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by beezzer
I like this idea beezzer. The best course of action would be to set a solid foundation of self-sufficient citizens, so that a 'trickle-up' effect takes place. If this happens, the government would be forced to bend to the will of the citizens; the government would then have to rely and depend on its people, rather than the other way around.
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by beezzer
OK Beez... Tell me how to fix this one. FTR it is 100% true.
An acquaintance of mine, Celeste, has MS and reached the point about 4 months ago where she had to be put into hospice because she can no longer control her body. The only family she has is a 71 year old mother who is on a fixed income and lives hand to mouth. Celeste worked as a "greeter" at a local electronics store until about a year ago... until they finally fired her because her tics reached a point where they were disturbing the customers.
Social Security took nearly 5 years to approve her for benefits and for Medicaid ( Georgia will NOT provide Medicaid for anyone disabled - even though it's in violation of Federal law for them not to. The state has been fined several times for this, but is a "Tea Party" state and refuses to comply. They insist the Federal government pay it. ). The fact that Celeste was willing to try and work as much as possible, even while sick has bit her in the proverbial butt because Social Security now says "Well... you worked. So you must be capable of doing something." and has only currently approved her for a small SSI benefit and not SSD.
Celeste cannot, at this point, walk, bathe herself, feed herself, or dress herself. She has to wear diapers. She is fifty years old.
Despite what the conservative spin would have folks believe - Celeste, even in her drastically ill state is not "milking" the system. The hospice she lives at currently has taken her in - but is billing her substantially more than her SSI benefits cover - even with the Medicaid. They are deferring payment currently with the intent of suing her mother - the geriatric woman with the fixed income.
If our so called "welfare state" is providing such minimal help - and no charities have done a single thing to alleviate the burden...
What will become of Celeste in a world where nobody is compelled to help at all?
~Heffedit on 11/10/12 by Hefficide because: clarity
Originally posted by rickymouse
Your idea is good Beezzer but there is one problem. As soon as the big wheels in the government get ahold of it they will screw it up royally. They will all add to it and make it expensive and complicated. It will become a nightmare. I don't know why people do that, they take something that works fine and have to add something personal to it before they will let it off of their desk. This happens a lot in Bureaucracy, it messes every good idea up and the creator of the idea gets disgraced. I have seen a lot of simple ideas turn into nightmares by government agencies over the years.
But we still need businesses to get on board, to offer internships and apprenticeships and I still think it'll take some intervention from the government to bring businesses on board for that.
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Do You not understand that if we follow on the same course with the social programs we are headed for the same outcome you posted?
Were these programs needed in during the depression? CERTAINLY!
The problem was that they were never scaled back was the need lessened.
Now look where we are. Social Programs are going to have to be changed, that is just a reality that many can not accept.
We can not afford them.
The State of Homelessness in America 2012 examines homelessness between 2009 and 2011, a period of economic downturn in the nation. The report shows that despite the bad economy, homelessness decreased by 1 percent during this period. The decrease was likely due to a significant investment of federal resources to prevent homelessness and quickly re-house people who did become homeless.