The beezzer Principle/Party, page 3

reply to post by beezzer

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The kitty has already belonged to the bunny's party for years. I do whatever I can, one person at a time, whether that's providing a place to stay till they get their feet under them, a hot meal, help making a resume, watching kids while they look for a job, or just providing a sympathetic ear.

We'll get there- one person or family at a time!

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by beezzer

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The kitty has already belonged to the bunny's party for years. I do whatever I can, one person at a time, whether that's providing a place to stay till they get their feet under them, a hot meal, help making a resume, watching kids while they look for a job, or just providing a sympathetic ear.

We'll get there- one person or family at a time!

And that's all it takes.

reply to post by beezzer

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No offense but when's the last time you took a young teen seriously? I'm still being taught myself I tend to not say my true age because I generally get taken a bit more seriously.

Originally posted by IntoxicatingMadness
reply to post by beezzer

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No offense but when's the last time you took a young teen seriously? I'm still being taught myself I tend to not say my true age because I generally get taken a bit more seriously.

I'm almost 50. I'm still learning as well.

reply to post by beezzer

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I was thinking about this long and hard yesterday. What I thought was this: I went to school for IT I would rather forgo that Mcd's job which pays crap wage for an unpaid internship at an IT position as they really want you to have experience, therefore internship would get me that experience, this goes for MD BD OR ASA's. What we need to do is make it attractive for these companies to supply internship/apprenticeships by giving them some kind of incentive whether it be for taxes or even a check at the end of the year, and if they offer a paid permanent position to the interns at the end of the internship, they get another incentive, this will make companies more flexiable in taking on some people for work they normally wouldn't (because of no experience), I think this would go a long way into helping more people work for a better wage because they'd get training and experience. I mean it'd be sacrificing for a short time on the interns' part but in the end it would pay off tremendously. I know a lot of people are going to find holes in this idea because of the issues other countries have with a similar program, plus it may mean some people on government dole for a period of time while they're getting their experience but, in the end they would have a paying job and be off the subsidies. This also insures those who can work will IMO.

This is one thing we could demand from the government to make internships/apprenticeships attractive to companies...just to be clear

reply to post by ldyserenity

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But why get the government involved.

Why can't we sell this great idea to the IT companies ourselves? Sure, we can't sell the tax incentives. But maybe there's something else that they'd want.

Like good advertising.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ldyserenity

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But why get the government involved.

Why can't we sell this great idea to the IT companies ourselves? Sure, we can't sell the tax incentives. But maybe there's something else that they'd want.

Like good advertising.

Well I think of this this way they listen to the Government because they're all in cahoots together so if we ask the companies, it'll fall on deaf ears, plus we don't have any way to provide those incentives so we go to the people who do. They'll need to have incentives going by the past is what I base it on.


I really don't think that advertising would appeal to them, judging by the outsourcing which people look down on and such, but they still do it anyway, and it's gotten a lot of attention lately so apparently they don't care about how good or bad they look to the public because they know they got us by the cajones...money talks BS walks is the way I see it.

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ldyserenity

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But why get the government involved.

Why can't we sell this great idea to the IT companies ourselves? Sure, we can't sell the tax incentives. But maybe there's something else that they'd want.

Like good advertising.

Well I think of this this way they listen to the Government because they're all in cahoots together so if we ask the companies, it'll fall on deaf ears, plus we don't have any way to provide those incentives so we go to the people who do. They'll need to have incentives going by the past is what I base it on.

edit on 10-11-2012 by ldyserenity because: edited to add

edit on 10-11-2012 by ldyserenity because: grr spelling fairy misspelled my word (rearranged my keyboard then fixed it lol)

That merits some more thought than a quick reply would provide.

I'll have to get back to you on that.

Regards,
beez

reply to post by beezzer

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Would i be right to say that the hardest part in all of this is starting it all?

reply to post by IntoxicatingMadness

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The biggest problem with all that was stated in the OP is finding the REASON, what are we demanding what do we want what direction do we want the government to go in...I beleive we could demand incentives to keep jobs here and for internships/apprenticeships, but we could add to those some other demands. What would you demand? What would you like to see done?

reply to post by beezzer

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Socially responsible people don't need a "party" or organization to do what you describe. However there are plenty of charitable "non profits" doing exactly what you describe. I volunteer time and money to those non profits that aren't top heavy with organizational [paid] staff and administration. My church has an outreach program that just fits the bill. Ordinary working people not looking for accolades, flags or stars or "atta boy" just doing it because they understand the principal of paying it forward.

This idea has been around ATS for a long time.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Your idea of a "political party" to do what nonprofits do, might just be a uniting force that this country needs.
Personally I'm sick and tired of the political division that brings out the meanness in people. I love a spirited debate but the marginalizing of people into "people like you" boxes and ugly name calling needs to stop.

I don't think it will though!!

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by beezzer

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IMO real poverty is unfixable. First of all you have an uneducated class. I am not attempting to put them down, please don't misunderstand. And when I say uneducated, I am talking about difficulty even reading or simple math. Women that came from abusive homes with no real chance to make it in this world. A lot of them go in and out of prison and have problems with addiction. Not all of them, but many. It is a social issue. One that cannot be tackled. These are the women that end up having children, we have to, as a society assist.

I am here to tell you even they could find better work I mean I knew of people who are illiterate who worked on the railroads the difference, they provide apprenticeships. We need to build the new railroad system (MONORAIL AS IN JAPAN'S) And offer those people internships/apprenticeships, these people need not read and be rocket scientists, no they learn one thing that will keep being relevent (once the rails were build many stayed on for maintenance and repair). But we gotta make it attractive for both the company and the person. Incentives...incentives.

Originally posted by jimmiec
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

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The difference's in community helping those in need and government helping those in need is that government really does not care. You are just numbers input into a computer. You can vote yourself more aid. When community helps those in need they actually care. They are not being paid to help. They actually care. Not to mention the huge amount of money the government wastes that never gets to the people in need.
A co-op that everyone can pay into, say $10.00 a week would work. For that you get medical help, financial help, unemployment. If you don't have $10.00 a week to pay in then you can pay by volunteering some time helping others. It is actually the way it used to be in America and it worked. Government saw it as a way to garner votes and took it over.

Yes that is true, but it never ceases to amaze me that the only time you see communities come together are after big natural/manmade disasters...like after 9/11 and after katrina and sandy, however the rest the time most of them would drive by a woman broken down with a kid in the car on the side of the road and not help...most of them, we are the type who would stop and try to help anyway, regardless but being on the side of broken down and stuck with kids in the car in the state of NJ before and not a damn person helping ever, I can tell you from experience most of them don't bother trying to help in normal circumstances. Not even something as simple as asking if you need them to call someone for you.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by beezzer

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Sounds a little like Communism.

Glad to see you're coming round

You can called it "Space-Monkey-Moon-Farts".

If it gets people off dependence from government, if it frees people from government slavery, then I'll call it a win.

So NOW you are fine with "communism"?????? You know, that buzzword that you Conservatives just LOVE to SLAM constantly and accuse everyone of being part of when they dont agree with you??

Flip-floppin is the ONLY guarantee in Conservatives!!

And in regards to this thread, WHO is going to PAY towards this education for EVERYONE interested in taking this option?

Who will PAY the gas for them to to get to their learning institute?

Who will pay for their babysitters for these folks children while they are in school??

It sounds good and all, but the truth is that we can NOT rely on ANYONE to come and help a person in your example. The HUGE majority of wealthy folks would just die if they had to give up a single red cent for something that DOESNT BENEFIT THEMSELVES, and most would even kill for a half a percent increase in their quarterly profits. SO they wont donate to this cause because they cant expect something in return that would DIRECTLY benefit them. Churches are almost just as corrupt, so scratch that out. LETS KEEP IT REAL!!!!!!!!!

You are going in the right direction, and trying to solve this problem, but you are living in fantasy land to be honest.

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