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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Good luck. If you are expecting the repubs to just bend over backwards for y'all, you live in a fantasy world. Seriously though, good luck in the next four years. Y'all made your beds, time to go beddiebye in 'em.




posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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I like when all of the Republicans use the term "limited government." Republicans don't want limited government. If they did then they wouldn't support things like telling people who they can or cannot marry, what substances they can or cannot use in their own home, what kind of birth control people should or should not use, which religious opinions should or should not be allowed, whether or not same sex couples should be allowed to adopt children who would otherwise not have a caring home, whether or not abortions should or should not be allowed. Those are all rules and laws that have very little to do with economic success. So no, republicans do not support limited government because they prefer it. Many Libertarians do support limited government but the Republicans damn sure don't and to assume otherwise is just silly.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by links234
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You would do well to read some Adams and Jefferson when it comes to public education;


Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful, that, to a human and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant.

-John Adams, Thoughts on Government


An amendment to our constitution must here come in the aid of public education. The influence over government must be shared among all people.

-Thomas Jefferson, 1806 State of the Union address


Yup. All these so called "patriots" never bother to read anything written by the founding fathers, yet act like they know.

Thomas Jefferson also said this;


“Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment...But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times.”



We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors. It is this preposterous idea which has lately deluged Europe in blood. Their monarchs, instead of wisely yielding to the gradual change of circumstances, of favoring progressive accommodation to progressive improvement, have clung to old abuses, entrenched themselves behind steady habits, and obliged their subjects to seek through blood and violence rash and ruinous innovations, which, had they been referred to the peaceful deliberations and collected wisdom of the nation, would have been put into acceptable and salutary forms. Let us follow no such examples, nor weakly believe that one generation is not as capable as another of taking care of itself, and of ordering its own affairs.


teachingamericanhistory.org...
www.goodreads.com...
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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Yeah...aren't you one of the guys who told us Romney was going to win this thing in a landslide?


Yes, I was. I really couldn't see how any President could survive reelection with the economy of the last 4 years. I believed old baldy when Clinton first was elected, he said, "It's the economy stupid." Meaning elections are about the economy.

But, to be honest. What else can we expect? The Republicans control the House and Dem's didn't pick up enough seats in the Senate to override a veto right? So what do you think were going to get? More partisan horse#. Do you have faith in our Elected officials to come together and fix the issues? Really?

I would prefer the Democrats or Republicans controlled it all. Then we could either fix the issues or see who CAN"T fix the issues. This divisiveness is bad for us all.

Look at the blue states county election maps. You'll see the Democrats control some very large cities. That's their electorate. Large cities. Not the whole country just a handful of metropolitan areas. I feel bad for us. I really think we are FUBAR.

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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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We don't have any money for another stimulus. What color is the sky in your world? Take all the rich's money away and it fund government for 3 months right? I think i read that somewhere. I really don't understand the big government crowd. What the hell has the Government ever done well? They suck at everything they touch. You put a bunch of bureaucrats in charge of a yearly county Bake Off and in 10 years it will employ 5 people full time year around and cost 5 million to host.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by 11235813213455
The house now has a mandate to bring any and all legislation to a screeching halt. Obstruct and undermine until 2014 and then 2016.

Getting nothing done would be much better than anything Obama would want to put through.

Force him to use executive order and then paralyze him with accusations of being an autocrat.
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Here's what I read / see from the above:

"Because we didn't win, we want to do everything possible to make it look like Obama and the Democrats are evil and ineffective. We would rather have NO CHANGE -- (even though we campaigned about all the change we desperately needed) -- than to allow our opponents to make that change, and look good, themselves."


So, the political arena is now about sabatoging your own people?

Good to see the republicans are now advocating what amounts to treason against their own people.

Could this "party" become any more disgusting?



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Well the president has laid it out for the House GOP;

“If we’re serious about reducing the deficit we have to combine spending cuts with revenue, and that means asking the wealthy to pay a little more in taxes,” Obama said in public remarks at the White House. “Right now if Congress fails to come to an agreement on an overall deficit reduction package by the end of the year, everybody’s taxes will automatically go up on January 1.”


Obama To Boehner: Higher Taxes On The Wealthy Or The Bush Tax Cuts Expire

It's good to see a hardline approach by the president for once.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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You do know that there is a legal way to change the Constitution? Funny how that is not used by liberals. Oh that is right. It takes more then a simple majority vote. The purpose of that is so that the majority can not just decide to kill who they dislike on a particular day or rob them of their money. From what I have seen on these threads if all it took was a majority vote I would bet that a Constitutional Amendment would be in progress right now. To CONFISCATE the business's from owners that liberal's do not like. Didn't someone recently talk about nationalizing the oil industry in the last few days? You know, CONFISCATING it? Come to think about it is that not really what taxes are about? Are not liberals pushing more taxes, not on themselves as seen from the listings of the voters, but on those that opposed them?



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Lets say we are on a bus where the driver is heading to go off a cliff. Those in the first two seats can see this through the front _ Those further back can not. So those in the front rows try to stop the driver but the only way to do so is by crashing the bus. Of course to those in the back of the bus who can not see this to them it appears like those in front are the insane ones. Which would you prefer? Going over the cliff where everyone dies or the bus crashing and only a few die? Actually didn't Obama say something close to this? Move the conservatives to the back of the bus, the rest of you party on, and I will drive anywhere I wish could be an interpretation of what he said.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by MastaShake
What was the number 1 priority for you guys when you took control of the house? was it to fix the economy? decrease the deficit? help fix our education system? nope. the number 1 prioirity was making obama a 1 term president.

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well needless to say you guys tried your damnedest to get that done. shooting down all of the presidents suggestions (even if they were in line with republican beliefs) and pretty much making asses of yourselves at every turn. your reps say stuff like women cant get pregnant from rape, god will stop climate change and claiming that half of the country feels entitled to government handouts. lies stream out from the right like never before on a daily basis and you people have the audacity to say the election was rigged?

Ever since the internet came around the republican party has been on a decline for one simple reason. facts. 10 years ago Mitt might have won the election with all the straight up lies because a majority of the people would have no way to check and make sure what is being said is real but now thats not possible. 10 years ago Mitt might have gotten away with flipflopping around on EVERYTHING because there was no youtube to make him look like an ass. Ironically enough the reason the democrats won this election is because of how the republicans conducted themselves.

Hopefully there can be some bipartisan co-operation during his second term but chances are slim (very slim). i wouldnt be surprised if the republicans start trying to get obama impeached because of some bull crap that they make up.

Also, i'd like to point out that the republicans failed on their #1 prioirity but their #2 prioirity (making money for billionaires) was a total success






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SInce Obama increased the deficit, hurt the economy, kept us at war, kept the patriot act, and did nothing he ran on in 2008, what was your priority in voting for him? More "free" stuff or just a good slogan?



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by links234
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Well the president has laid it out for the House GOP;

“If we’re serious about reducing the deficit we have to combine spending cuts with revenue, and that means asking the wealthy to pay a little more in taxes,” Obama said in public remarks at the White House. “Right now if Congress fails to come to an agreement on an overall deficit reduction package by the end of the year, everybody’s taxes will automatically go up on January 1.”


Obama To Boehner: Higher Taxes On The Wealthy Or The Bush Tax Cuts Expire

It's good to see a hardline approach by the president for once.


What? Threaten citizens unless he gets his way? Nice way to be president "for all the people."



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by iwilliam
 


Well the president has laid it out for the House GOP;

“If we’re serious about reducing the deficit we have to combine spending cuts with revenue, and that means asking the wealthy to pay a little more in taxes,” Obama said in public remarks at the White House. “Right now if Congress fails to come to an agreement on an overall deficit reduction package by the end of the year, everybody’s taxes will automatically go up on January 1.”


Obama To Boehner: Higher Taxes On The Wealthy Or The Bush Tax Cuts Expire

It's good to see a hardline approach by the president for once.


What? Threaten citizens unless he gets his way? Nice way to be president "for all the people."


YES! It's about time he played hardball with the GOP. He knows they won't call his bluff. Now we're gonna get some stuff done!!!!



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

SInce Obama increased the deficit, hurt the economy, kept us at war, kept the patriot act, and did nothing he ran on in 2008, what was your priority in voting for him? More "free" stuff or just a good slogan?
He was the Better choice over Romney, and the religous Nutjobs in the GOP.
Your question to yourself Should Be;

Àfter the last 4 years, How could my Party , the GOP drop this GIMMIE that they have been Handed.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by NavyDoc

SInce Obama increased the deficit, hurt the economy, kept us at war, kept the patriot act, and did nothing he ran on in 2008, what was your priority in voting for him? More "free" stuff or just a good slogan?
He was the Better choice over Romney, and the religous Nutjobs in the GOP.
Your question to yourself Should Be;

Àfter the last 4 years, How could my Party , the GOP drop this GIMMIE that they have been Handed.


Yeah, it was stupid, considering that less people voted ROmney than McCain in 2008 and less people voted for Obama in 2012 than in 2008. If the Republican turnout had been the same in 2008, they would have won. If the REpublicans had not been drawn into the social issues nonsense, and stuck with sound economic principles, this would have been a sure bet as Obama's record was abyssmal.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by iwilliam
 


Well the president has laid it out for the House GOP;

“If we’re serious about reducing the deficit we have to combine spending cuts with revenue, and that means asking the wealthy to pay a little more in taxes,” Obama said in public remarks at the White House. “Right now if Congress fails to come to an agreement on an overall deficit reduction package by the end of the year, everybody’s taxes will automatically go up on January 1.”


Obama To Boehner: Higher Taxes On The Wealthy Or The Bush Tax Cuts Expire

It's good to see a hardline approach by the president for once.


What? Threaten citizens unless he gets his way? Nice way to be president "for all the people."


YES! It's about time he played hardball with the GOP. He knows they won't call his bluff. Now we're gonna get some stuff done!!!!


Stalin got stuff done, does not mean it was good stuff. So you have no problem with an administration threatening the citizens as a whole to get an agenda passed?



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Stalin got stuff done, does not mean it was good stuff. So you have no problem with an administration threatening the citizens as a whole to get an agenda passed?


Nope - he's playing them at their own game - and yes, good stuff is going to get done.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Stalin got stuff done, does not mean it was good stuff. So you have no problem with an administration threatening the citizens as a whole to get an agenda passed?


Nope - he's playing them at their own game - and yes, good stuff is going to get done.


You mean like all of that good stuff from the first term like the greatest debt in the history of the country? Expansion of the Afghanistan war? Drone strikes into Pakistan? Renewal of he patriot act? Good things like that or do you think he;s going to do a 180 degree turn and do things different this time?



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Stalin got stuff done, does not mean it was good stuff. So you have no problem with an administration threatening the citizens as a whole to get an agenda passed?


Nope - he's playing them at their own game - and yes, good stuff is going to get done.


Wow. Take a crap on your fellow citizens to force your agenda. This is the act of a man who said he was the president for everyone? Sounds like there are plenty of Americans he hates.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Stalin got stuff done, does not mean it was good stuff. So you have no problem with an administration threatening the citizens as a whole to get an agenda passed?


Nope - he's playing them at their own game - and yes, good stuff is going to get done.


Wow. Take a crap on your fellow citizens to force your agenda. This is the act of a man who said he was the president for everyone? Sounds like there are plenty of Americans he hates.


You mean like how the GOP was willing to take a crap on America, just to make Obama a 1-term president? We've had to suffer the last 4 years because Obama wasn't able to get done what he promised, due to the obstructionists. Now, he's playing them at their own game, only this time I think he'll beat them.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc
SInce Obama increased the deficit,

Actually, he lowered the deficit.


hurt the economy,

You'd have to clarify on this one. The job rate has lowered and the stock market has risen.


kept us at war,

The Iraq war is over and we're ending the Afghanistan war in about a year and a half.


kept the patriot act,

The whole thing? Really, when did he do that?


and did nothing he ran on in 2008,

Health care reform never happened then?


what was your priority in voting for him? More "free" stuff or just a good slogan?

What 'free' stuff? I pay taxes and, generally, get stuff in return for them. Now that he's not having to go through another election he doesn't need to bend to the will of the obstruncionists and can actually get things done.

The 1% be damned.






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