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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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I dunno - i'm thick - please enlighten me.


Have you not noticed the capitalised words...FREE WILL?...to then ask me whether what that means is that I agree that we have no FREE WILL?

Is that 'enlightening' enough?

Lol

A99




posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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There is no individual to have freewill.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by akushla99
 


I dunno - i'm thick - please enlighten me.


Have you not noticed the capitalised words...FREE WILL?...to then ask me whether what that means is that I agree that we have no FREE WILL?
Is that 'enlightening' enough?
Lol
A99


It is not your will. The will is willed by God.

"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills."
Schopenhauer.
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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So can i take that then you are saying that outcomes and events which happen for us are all predetermined?



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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reply to post by AthlonSavage
 


No.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Please explain then what determines outcomes? If its not freechoice nor fate then what is it?



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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reply to post by AthlonSavage
 


It is the great mystery.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by akushla99
 


I dunno - i'm thick - please enlighten me.


Have you not noticed the capitalised words...FREE WILL?...to then ask me whether what that means is that I agree that we have no FREE WILL?
Is that 'enlightening' enough?
Lol
A99


It is not your will. The will is willed by God.
edit on 12-11-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


The will is indeed gods...and all of us, pretending to be separate individuals, are but tiny flames from the grand conflagration...so yes, I do not disagree with this...but, in the locum we are currently ensconced in, separation at its basest level sees us (as flames) exercising the very same FREE WILL you do not speak of...

A99



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Please explain then what determines outcomes? If its not freechoice nor fate then what is it?


There are no 'outcomes'. An 'outcome' is the finish. There is no finish.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Well i like a good mystery so im content with that answer



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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The waves on the surface of the ocean are not really doing the waving.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by akushla99
 


I dunno - i'm thick - please enlighten me.


Have you not noticed the capitalised words...FREE WILL?...to then ask me whether what that means is that I agree that we have no FREE WILL?
Is that 'enlightening' enough?
Lol
A99


It is not your will. The will is willed by God.

"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills."
Schopenhauer.
edit on 12-11-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


...and I should be impressed by Schopenhauer...because?

A99



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:19 AM
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You might 'believe' you are a wave until you 'realize' that you are the ocean.
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by akushla99
 


I dunno - i'm thick - please enlighten me.


Have you not noticed the capitalised words...FREE WILL?...to then ask me whether what that means is that I agree that we have no FREE WILL?
Is that 'enlightening' enough?
Lol
A99


It is not your will. The will is willed by God.

"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills."
Schopenhauer.
edit on 12-11-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


...and I should be impressed by Schopenhauer...because?

A99

I don't expect you to be impressed.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by akushla99
 


You might believe you are a wave until you realize that you are the ocean.


Yes master...

A99



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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At last!



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Then what purpose does it serve to me?

A99



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by akushla99
 


At last!


There is no last...

A99



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by akushla99
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Then what purpose does it serve to me?

A99


'Purpose' and 'me' are illuionary, they are both ideas, both are beliefs that have not been investigated...
There is no purpose and there is no 'me'.
This, this, is all there is.

With that said, i will try to explain:
The 'me' is a wave that thinks it is separate from the ocean. Maybe the 'purpose' is for the 'me' (wave) to realize itself as the one ocean. When the 'me' realizes (the ocean) the 'me' disolves.
There is nothing in it for the 'me'.

The 'me' is the searching for that which will complete 'me'. The ocean which is not separate just watches the waving. When the wave gets tried it drops down and is not just immersed in ocean but is the ocean. It is complete.
The wave was never not complete - the wave was never separate. But the wave likes to believe it is (for a while)because it makes life exciting.
edit on 12-11-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by akushla99
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Then what purpose does it serve to me?

A99


'Purpose' and 'me' are illuionary, they are both ideas, both are beliefs that have not been investigated...
There is no purpose and there is no 'me'.
This, this, is all there is.

With that said, i will try to explain:
The 'me' is a wave that thinks it is separate from the ocean. Maybe the 'purpose' is for the 'me' (wave) to realize itself as the one ocean. When the 'me' realizes (the ocean) the 'me' disolves.
There is nothing in it for the 'me'.

The 'me' is the searching for that which will complete 'me'. The ocean which is not separate just watches the waving. When the wave gets tried it drops down and is not just immersed in ocean but is the ocean. It is complete.
The wave was never not complete - the wave was never separate. But the wave likes to believe it is (for a while)because it makes life exciting.
edit on 12-11-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


That's not what I asked you...

I asked you what purpose, your quoting me Schopenhauer has...the quote is high school philosophy...been there, done that...I am waaay older than I was in high school...savvy?

A99





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