America Has Passed the Rubicon, Welcome to the USSA and Eventually, Collapse.

Originally posted by amatrine
Look at countries that are communist. The people are very poor and barley eat. It does not make everyone the same. You still have the "haves", and they are the ones at the top, government etc, while everyone else is oppressed. It does not make everyone equal, it makes a few control the many. I

It creates an environment where there is no reward for your work. You can not just work harder and make more money, buy a house and start a business.

There is no free market. It takes away hope. Even places that are not communist, but socialist, look at the home prices. I have friends moving here from England next month. My 1300 sf house is 750 a month, This same house there would cost almost a million dollars. Look at home prices in Canada, also very high.

The average family can not just buy a house. These are just some examples.

Well, where do you start?

Perhaps in those communist countries they know the difference between 'barely' and 'barley'.

Are you suggesting the UK is socialist, while under a conservative government? Just as a hint, although more liberal than your average tea party group, the UK (don't say England, the UK is under the same government) is currently under a coalition leadership which does not include the most left of centre party - the Labour party. Love them or hate them, calling the conservatives socialist is not going to work.

Besides which, you are assuming socialism = communism - and I'm sure you aren't totally clear what either mean.

Your talk about home costs make no sense, you talk about how much you pay per month and equate that to being a property that would cost almost a million in England? Where in England? I guess like America, over here property prices are determined partly by location, that's fairly much true anywhere in the world. A house slap bang in a desirable (to some) are of London may cost a couple of million, the same size house in another part of the country may cost less than a hundred thousand, fairly sure it's the same in America - did you do any research on that?

Originally posted by RedDragon

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by RedDragon

 

Actually a trade war is EXACTLY what we need! It will bring back jobs to america, stop overseas corporate imperialism like forcing cheap labor, increase revenue for the government indirectly(many people choose to buy foreign merchandise), lower taxes.

Think again my friend!

The jews in wall street will tell everyone otherwise....

You may have a few more jobs but you won't be able to buy anything because prices will be too high.. You want to build wealth -- not jobs. Jobs should be a side-effect of wealth. No one wants to work for work's sake. They want the stuff that they get with work.

Were the prices too high before the mad rush for globalism? Nope!

I want to built wealth? Nope, it seems YOU WANT to.

Jobs should be a side-effect of wealth? Nope. Wealth is a side-effect of jobs and a good economy. If the economy is lousy then jobs and profits go down. But isn't the whole thing setup to fail? That would explain the stubborn stupidity of those calling the shots.

No one wants to work for work's sake? True, but unless you work or are a parasite on society(like wall street) then how can you survive, much less prosper? Look at it from a jobs perspective rather than from a profit perspective.

Yes they want stuff, BUT YOU NEED A JOB FIRST!

The 'jews on wall street' allocate resources more efficiently than you would. That's why they're 'investment' banks. They're the reason your retirement portfolios and savings don't have the value of a 3rd world country's resource allocations.

This is wrong on multiple levels. but it seems you are holding on to willful ignorance because you have an agenda. Investment and banking should not even be linked at all. Secondly investment banking, with the private federal reserve, is responsible for creating bubbles for almost a hundred years, defrauding investors as well as the general public. THEN these snakes ask for bailouts for the problems THEY CREATED! It is called fraud, learn what that words means.

If you were a better investor, you'd own your own investment bank instead of the 'jews'.

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I despise investment because it preys on the economy by allocating fewer resources than what they expect in return. To capitalise means to take advantage of in return for something. People do not invest their money to lose or break even. The capitalist bilderbergers decide where they want to invest while at the same time ignoring sovereignty issues and the peoples will. I never asked for america to be $16 trillion in the whole, never was asked about the bailouts, the imperialist wars, the false flags or anything. The # just happens because a few people want it to happen so they can profit.

Your opinion is so wrong that it would actually be better policy to still allow using overseas labor and just give unemployed people useless make-work jobs like digging holes or something. You'd have more wealth, higher wages, and, because of the useless make-work, a lower unemployment rate than your plan.

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When your world-view has devolved into racism and ignorance, it might be time to pick up an economics 101 textbook and educate yourself.

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Wow. talk about racism and ignorance.....You are soooo wrong! Why do I bother with people like you?

reply to post by camaro68ss


Ironically, more like fascism. Whatever happened to closing Guantanamo Bay? The whole thing is so idiotic.

Obama did say he was attempting to rebuild America from what was left by the previous Wars, given the economy there will be a struggle but as long as its not another war then there may be a chance of recovery, there is always going to be a level of loss somewhere when a country is being rebuilt.

Originally posted by filbert
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

Ironically, more like fascism. Whatever happened to closing Guantanamo Bay? The whole thing is so idiotic.

No. Fascism is right wing socialism. It has nothing to do with ultra-capitalism cause it DIED shortly after world war 2. I actually support fascism to a mild extent because it is good. National Socialism. It does not necessarily imply invading countries like mussolini and hitler did. Mussolini and hitler were desperate because their countries were left out of the colonial race from western european nations(britain, france, spain, portugal, hollland).

it is no coincidence that libertarianism is the third biggest party after the democrats and republicans. All three are right wing orientated and vary only in the degree. left parties get less than 0.5% vote each election period. Everyone fears socliasm and communism. It is the american way to want foreign imperialism DRESSED UNDER THE SMALL GOVERNMENT BS!

Yeah, I think you're right op. We are past the point of no return with regards to our debt. Only a miracle, like free energy maybe, bolstered with a few other key technology leaps, would get us out of this one.

I think its been this way for a while now. And what I find to be absolute poppycock is the way you pretend that a vote for Romney would have changed anything. Romney wanted more war, and war is probably what is emptying our treasuries faster than anything and making the world a worse place for other people minding their own business.

Is Obama "better"? No. But neither is Romney. Don't you get it? I could pull a random Joe off the local firemans squad, a teacher out of a classroom, a student out of college, a grandmother out of a church, a homeless person off the streets, and they would do a better job than these two. Because they would be more loyal to their own country simply out of self preservation of the America they know and love. Rich people don't care if our country goes to crap. They can just invest in something else and move somewhere better and build everything they need. Because when you get rich to a point, you just see yourself as a citizen of the world, and you care less about your birth nation since your wealth eliminates your boundaries. Relocation expenses are no longer an issue.

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You make some fantastic points, it really is mind blowing how people could vote for more of what we had in the last 4 years! Madness!

reply to post by 3n19m470


Rich people worship money. They could not give a rat's ass about birth place aka nationality. They are not nationalists. When you have billions or trillions you start thinking of yourself as god almighty and how to make the world a place that better suits you.

The private media is 100% owned by these billionares and trillionares. That is why you get less than 50% truth in any random broadcast. The less you know, the more power they retain over you. I stopped watching msm news like 5 years ago, when I discoverd how unbelievably biased it was and found alternative media 100 times more suitable. This is why they are now trying to control the internet with all kinds of pretenses.

I decided i had to take a first year Sociology course, and though much of it is theory about past sociologists I am starting to wonder about a few things.

One of Marx's students came up with the idea of Hegemony as a reason why Capitalism had not died--a constantly changing and evolving bargain between the upper and middle/lower classes. That worked well for many decades, but I think that hegemony is starting to fall apart. This, of course, relates back to the Wallstreet scandal--and I think we can see it with the November election results.

I'm not a Marxist myself, I much prefer the social psychologist G. H. Mead, but I digress: it seems the hegemony is breaking down, inevitably (from an outside point of view) it seems a showdown between the upper and middle class seems likely.

Just my two cents.

reply to post by HappyBunny

I came over to this site to read insights from others and it seems that no matter where I go there is an ignorant person.
A total of 118,113,956 votes were cast in the election between the two candidates.....your guy got 60,459,974 out of total population of over 300,000,000....you hardly got the majority of the people in the United States of America supporting Obama....you need to get over yourself. There are many people in the United States that are not going to just stand by and let anyone turn our country into a Socialist, Marxist or Communist country.... We happen to have a Constitution......and the President has to abide by it.....whether he likes it or not. Now I know you probably mistook the election for an Coronation but you are sadly mistaken.

It seems you Happily voted for socialization of America...there are 181,000,000 of us that will gladly buy "you" and your buddies a ticket out of the States....Presidents can be impeached......So you only thought we Lost...how silly....You need to snap out of it.

Originally posted by Awakenme
reply to post by luciddream

 

I would say that religion has much to do with our problems. It galls me that people keep forcing religion into politics. The founding fathers had enough foresight to include separation of church and state because they probably saw this as a possibility. We have not a national religion because we are a melting pot of religions. Religion is farcical but I do not hold that against anyone.

Corporations and banksters are this countries biggest problem as is the growing ignorance. We may be better off if we can do what Iceland is currently doing.

let us analyse this for a moment. For those who claim to believe in God then they must of neccesity believe that God has a plan and purpose for this planet. People want to keep religeon out of politics. Our founding fathers
believed that the form of government they were establishing could not be maintained without a moral society. That is why early on they passed a law and appropriated the monies to send so many thousand bibles to various places through out the colonies.
People want to keep religeon out of politics. But without religeon (and I speak to the religeon founded by Jesus of nazareth) leaders and populations become corrupt and self destruct. History is littered with the evidense. Even Old Israel who had God at the helm could not continue after they turned from the God of Abraham.
This notion that we don't need to worship the God of Abraham to be prosperous and healthy as a society is a notion spawn by enemies of the cross. I don't need to belabor this position. Look at us!! what we were! and what we have become! and where we are going. Only a fool of the highest order could spend time and grey matter arguing against me. Now I know that anti god people is gonna berate me but remember I said "only fools."
Why don't we just acknowledge our shortcomings and pull together as a society and ask God to forgive us and heal us?

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You know what? America has spoken and you lost.

GET OVER IT.

Enough of the inflammatory comments and fearmongering. Now is the time to heal, not tear this country apart any more than you already have.

If you're so unhappy, leave and start your own country. Nobody's stopping you, and I will personally help you pack and drive you to the airport, free of charge.

Love ya HappyBunny! Ditto to what you said!

Originally posted by Gh0Sty3k
Obama did say he was attempting to rebuild America from what was left by the previous Wars, given the economy there will be a struggle but as long as its not another war then there may be a chance of recovery, there is always going to be a level of loss somewhere when a country is being rebuilt.

All Obama is doing is remaking America in the Marxist ideology. That means abolishing private property and redistributing wealth(not just from wealthy Americans to poor Americans, but from poor and wealthy Americans to non Americans everywhere in other countries). He is also establishing a Nanny Welfare State, more centralized control and more control over corporations with bureaucratic regulations, more micro managing of our lives(not more liberty like so many think because he supports social agendas like gay marriage).

Originally posted by ChiefD

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You know what? America has spoken and you lost.

GET OVER IT.

Enough of the inflammatory comments and fearmongering. Now is the time to heal, not tear this country apart any more than you already have.

If you're so unhappy, leave and start your own country. Nobody's stopping you, and I will personally help you pack and drive you to the airport, free of charge.

Love ya HappyBunny! Ditto to what you said!

Wrong. Half of voting Americans spoke one way and the other half a different way. Over 58 million Americans voted for Romney. The difference was a few million votes and even many of those votes represented illegals voting, fraudulent voting, vote flipping machines etc.

Also there were millions who voted for third parties(mostly Libertarian but some may have been Green party and Constitution Party) or did not vote at all because they felt disenfranchised by both the major parties, even some Repubs apparently.

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You know what? America has spoken and you lost.

GET OVER IT.

Enough of the inflammatory comments and fearmongering. Now is the time to heal, not tear this country apart any more than you already have.

If you're so unhappy, leave and start your own country. Nobody's stopping you, and I will personally help you pack and drive you to the airport, free of charge.

Ditto! You all are sore losers.

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You know what? America has spoken and you lost.

YOU know what? Idiots have spoken and we ALL lost, including YOU. Why don't you pay attention to smart people for a change.

Wait.
The educated people have spoken.
There are those who can't be convinced this is the right path for the country and they have a severe lack of formal education, zero economics and a biased and skewed version of history in common. None of them voted Obama. I work with some hard core southerners who literally cling to their guns and fit all the stereotypes you can come up with. It is awfully solemn around the old homestead. The schools they went to wouldn't pass for schools in NY. The restaurants they operate can't hold a candle to those we have in NY. They are kind of BACKWARDS and SLOW compared to New Yorkers who are as I recall generally liberal progressive and democratic. I had to stop myself from calling one of the chicks STUPID this evening in fact because she came out with stuff like this. Are you all listening to the same websight or something?

Your opinion doesn't count as fact. How about you spew some facts and references.....

By the way, I am from NY. Also, it's "website".

reply to post by AwakeinNM


I have spewed many. Not sure how you missed them unless you are not paying attention and I am not here to slap anyone back into reality although they certainly do need that sometimes. And I actually know it should be website and not websight but try and tell people that. In fact why don't you use "spell check" on the word and you will notice that it tries to correct the spelling as web sight also. Spell check is wrong too. Web-sight is as if it has to do with eye sight and not location. Idiots right? Mine was a typo that I saw but didn't care enough to change. I pick and choose my priorities.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by ChiefD

Originally posted by HappyBunny
You know what? America has spoken and you lost.

GET OVER IT.

Enough of the inflammatory comments and fearmongering. Now is the time to heal, not tear this country apart any more than you already have.

If you're so unhappy, leave and start your own country. Nobody's stopping you, and I will personally help you pack and drive you to the airport, free of charge.

Love ya HappyBunny! Ditto to what you said!

Wrong. Half of voting Americans spoke one way and the other half a different way. Over 58 million Americans voted for Romney. The difference was a few million votes and even many of those votes represented illegals voting, fraudulent voting, vote flipping machines etc.

Also there were millions who voted for third parties(mostly Libertarian but some may have been Green party and Constitution Party) or did not vote at all because they felt disenfranchised by both the major parties, even some Repubs apparently.

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Ah, so it begins. Obama only got in then due to 'illegals voting' and fraudulent voting then? Wondered how long it would take for that excuse to come up. Also, the vote flipping machines appear to have favoured Romney going by the news results.

Not sure that 'millions voted for 3rd parties', do you have the numbers on that?

reply to post by camaro68ss


There are very serious sounding allegations made in your post. However they are not supported by any facts. Without facts you are merely taking advantage of others' feelings because everything you write sounds so ominously uncertain and scary.

One of the reasons the USSR "descended" into a very warped version of socialism is because those in power disconnected even themselves from facts, and relied on the hope that the oppressed majority would just trust what they had to say, based on their feelings. They knew very well they weren't practicing "communism" or "socialism" but the same old elitism that now runs our system. Same horse, different color.

Do you know what "communism" and "socialism" mean? Could you at least provide the basis of the definitions you are trying to scare people with? Without imparting verifiable knowledge you are simply preying on people's feelings.

You owe your readers at least the benefit of your education, if you have any (and that doesn't have to happen in a classroom, you can always tap a public library which is paid for by the same taxpayers you are trying to scare, or you can speak from your travels to the countries you think actually practice these utopias).

The unfortunate truth in this analysis is there is no such thing as a communist or socialist or capitalist or democratic or republican or anarchist or "independent" society. None of these terms were invented to describe societies. They were invented by dead white guys to describe a small view in small rooms with no internet.

There is no comparison between what they saw and we see now. Our scope of information is so enormous that they would have gone mad trying to assimilate the same amount of information. It is rude and wrong to fling "communism" and "socialism" at people here who you apparently assume will never check for themselves what is behind these terms.

They may go ahead and accept your spookiness now, because they can relate to how you feel, but eventually they will find out for themselves since it's not that hard to find the truth without the noise from those who seek to scare. People can look up on Wikipedia terms you have thrown around like land mines. They can see for themselves what they really are: theories. They can read. They can ask.

reply to post by camaro68ss


and Nikita Khrushchev shouted this as he banged his shoe on the podium (a video I still can't seem to find these days )

and yes.. we are/have been WAY past the point of no return ..

all the presidents since JFK have been put in ..for 1 reason or another..