Originally posted by KSigMason
Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
No one has to reveal craft secrets after all, just declare their membership if they hold public office.
Why should I be compelled to do such a thing if it is against my will?
Because, in the context of this thread, and in the context of the allegations made by those who suffered systemised sexual abuse at the Bryn Estyn
Children's Home, Freemasons are believe by those victims to have been involved in that abuse. If we look at it hypothetically, if there was a chance
that some members of your fraternity were using said fraternity as a cover for paedophilia, or as a means to network with other paedophiles, would you
not be compelled to open up the doors and allow investigators in to root out such activity? I know I would. Or in the context that I applied to
those who hold public office, if Judges or Police may have been colluding to give lenient sentences or to overlook certain offences, and have been
using their membership as Freemasons, to facilitate that collusion, would you not want such activity to be brought to light? Wouldn't such activity
contravene the precepts of Freemasonry? Shouldn't those members be chucked out of the fraternity? It is my understanding that such activity violates
everything that Freemasonry is supposed to stand for. And, if a person if accused of a crime, should not all of his associates and contacts be
questioned, as they would in any other criminal inquiry. I think so. Given the nature of these allegations, I don't think it is unreasonable, for
the Freemasons to be expected to want to assist the authorities in anyway that they possibly can, and given that we are talking about crimes,
systemised crimes, against children, I would expect them to be as cooperative as they can. Surely, being a Freemason is nothing to be ashamed of.
Now, I think it is important to stress the very different nature of British and US society, and I do not think that it is even remotely useful to tar
every one, or every Freemason, with the same brush. So while you make the assertion that Freemasons do not populate the upper eschelons of government
or society in the US, we cannot be entirely sure that the same culture applies to the UK. The US works on a different system of elitism, and that to
a lesser and greater extent can be found reflected in Freemasonry in the UK.
As you may or may not be aware, in the UK, we have a tiered educational system. The state school system, which is free to all and funded by local and
central government. The private educations system which is operated by numerous charitable and private bodies, dependent upon the aims of those
particular schools. And finally we have the public school system, which despite it's name, is only open to those who pass certain social and
financial criteria. It is, by it's very nature, a training ground for the elite of this country and the common-wealth in general. The vast majority
of those holding top flight posts in the UK, in the diplomatic service, merchant banking sector, and the senior civil service, represent the alumni of
these schools. Many of these schools, Harrow, Eton to name the two at the top of the pile, these schools have traditionally had a Lodge attached to
them which have, at least in the past, included members of the teaching staff.
Within these schools, and the many other public schools that serve the elite of the UK, there has, historically, existed a culture of 'sexual favours'
both amongst senior and younger pupils, and the school masters and pupils. I have read numerous autobiographies that allude to, or blatantly discuss
the 'buggery' that took place during their school days. Off the top of my head, David Niven mentions it, Kim Philby did, Victor Rothschild claims to
have witnessed it, George Melly mentions his enjoyment of it. It has always been an open 'secret'.
Times change of course, but given such a culture, it is understandable that some of those who passed through such an initiation, could and would have
developed a taste for it, and that some of those may have moved to less 'consensual' practices. It is not such a huge leap of faith that some of
those people also took advantage of the open door of Freemasonry, and subsequently abused the rights and privileges of membership to that
I am not saying that all Freemasons are paedophiles by any stretch of the imagination, but I am certain that the possibility exists that some
Freemasons, particularly in the UK could be, given the culture of this country specifically. And that it is up to the body of Freemasonry as a whole,
to help root out these criminals and predators.
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