"Lurking" members lack of understanding and the concern over rule breaking., page
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reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 11:22 PM by freedomSlave
reply to post by SeriousIndividual
lol @ the long time lurker some how I feel I have been peep tom'd when I read that .
lol @ the long time lurker some how I feel I have been peep tom'd when I read that .
reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 11:24 PM by SeriousIndividual
reply to post by monkofmimir
"Tear down this wall!" Just for you.
"Tear down this wall!" Just for you.
edit on 8-11-2012 by SeriousIndividual because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 11:28 PM by Dondylion
reply to post by SeriousIndividual
I'm just wondering if it's mere laziness on the the part of the "lurkers". I'll admit, I'm a lurker myself. I've been on this site for years, had an account once but lost it due to an email change and whatnot.
Anyways, back to what I was saying. I believe most of the confusion on how to do things doesn't lie with them "lurking" but them just not paying attention. I know that when I first joined (the first time) I didn't much care about how to properly do threads. I just wanted to post something that I felt needed to be posted. I didn't read the rules thoroughly, just skimmed them. I think that's what's going on. People are just merely being lazy about things and not quite paying enough attention to learn before they join so they just go through a "trial and error" period before they really learn the ropes of how things work.
I'm just wondering if it's mere laziness on the the part of the "lurkers". I'll admit, I'm a lurker myself. I've been on this site for years, had an account once but lost it due to an email change and whatnot.
Anyways, back to what I was saying. I believe most of the confusion on how to do things doesn't lie with them "lurking" but them just not paying attention. I know that when I first joined (the first time) I didn't much care about how to properly do threads. I just wanted to post something that I felt needed to be posted. I didn't read the rules thoroughly, just skimmed them. I think that's what's going on. People are just merely being lazy about things and not quite paying enough attention to learn before they join so they just go through a "trial and error" period before they really learn the ropes of how things work.
edit on 8/11/2012 by Dondylion because: typo
reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 11:41 PM by Hefficide
reply to post by SeriousIndividual
I can remember lurking and I possibly said something to the effect of "unsure of proper protocol and procedures" at some point early on... But, at least in my case, that would have been a cop out.
One of the "isms" of ATS is that it is a rapid fire environment. A new person shows up and is immediately confronted with complicated or even animated avatars, scrolling signatures... Members, like myself, who tend to be very verbose. It can be rather intimidating. It is like a pool with no shallow end. It's hard to get just ones feet wet here - or so that it how it appeared to me before I took the plunge.
Even though the T&C's are clear - they are still daunting to many people. I know they were for me. I participated in one thread, early on, that got somewhat heated. It was a long thread that lasted for several days and, honestly, I logged off each night just about positive that I'd find myself banned the following day. I hadn't yet gotten a feel for the "courtesy is mandatory" guideline and wondered if just being a bit predatory or aggressive was enough to get in trouble - even though I was keeping a veneer of civility as the thread got mean spirited and involved.
I think that new members also share this unfamiliarity with the spirit of the rules - even if they understand the letter of them.
So... yeah... I can see new folks lurking and then wading in with a general disclaimer about being unsure of it all. That's understandable and fine. Our responsibility as members is to help ease them out of the gate and into the fast lane as best we can.
~Heff
I can remember lurking and I possibly said something to the effect of "unsure of proper protocol and procedures" at some point early on... But, at least in my case, that would have been a cop out.
One of the "isms" of ATS is that it is a rapid fire environment. A new person shows up and is immediately confronted with complicated or even animated avatars, scrolling signatures... Members, like myself, who tend to be very verbose. It can be rather intimidating. It is like a pool with no shallow end. It's hard to get just ones feet wet here - or so that it how it appeared to me before I took the plunge.
Even though the T&C's are clear - they are still daunting to many people. I know they were for me. I participated in one thread, early on, that got somewhat heated. It was a long thread that lasted for several days and, honestly, I logged off each night just about positive that I'd find myself banned the following day. I hadn't yet gotten a feel for the "courtesy is mandatory" guideline and wondered if just being a bit predatory or aggressive was enough to get in trouble - even though I was keeping a veneer of civility as the thread got mean spirited and involved.
I think that new members also share this unfamiliarity with the spirit of the rules - even if they understand the letter of them.
So... yeah... I can see new folks lurking and then wading in with a general disclaimer about being unsure of it all. That's understandable and fine. Our responsibility as members is to help ease them out of the gate and into the fast lane as best we can.
~Heff
that
was funny!
reply posted on 9-11-2012 @ 12:07 AM by Ferryman
reply to post by SeriousIndividual
I never did LURK as you put it, i jumped straight in, and learned as i went along. Just for you my signature is Lurkers LOL.
I never did LURK as you put it, i jumped straight in, and learned as i went along. Just for you my signature is Lurkers LOL.
reply posted on 9-11-2012 @ 03:02 AM by JAK
Well, if there are any lurkers reading this then here's a few points, the main ones as I see them, that may ease your path as far as jumping in is
concerned.
Staff are here to help of course and you are welcome to contact any of us directly but you will find the community as a whole is generally very kind and considerate and will offer help if asked or even if they see you could do with a hand as you get to know your way around. It may be helpful to mention here that unless you are being purposefully silly then any contact with staff should be viewed as an attempt to help, please receive it as such. Feel free to message us and ask questions over anything you don't understand. If, for example, a thread of yours is moved then take a look at where it has been moved to. If a thread on the topic already exists and we close your newer thread (although please do check if a topic is already available for discussion - you may miss it though and if so that's no great problem) then please don't take your thread closure and redirection as criticism of your offering but rather an attempt to help ATS by keeping the discussion of a topic in a single thread.
After all that, ultimately (you'll get used to my excessive ramblings) a simple rule is that ATS is here to be enjoyed by all and honestly, if that's your guiding principle here, then you won't go far wrong. Stop lurking, take the leap and jump in knowing you are welcome.
- 1) Please be respectful to other members - For those who arrive with genuine intent to enjoy ATS that's probably the majority of
trouble avoided. Be resolute by all means but please don't be rude.
2) Don't make stuff up - What it says on the tin. See section 1) really.
3) Credit the source of work that is not yours - If you post something that isn't your work please state such. If it is material available from another online source then include a link to the source. When you post you will see that above the text entry field there are buttons to automatically insert various required tags for you.
[Quick Tutorial if you fancy - if not just skip to 4]
For an online source: Press "LINK" button, name link whatever you want, paste the address, press "ok".
Your post will now include a link to your source
Put the quoted section (you shouldn't need more than three paragraphs to illustrate your point) inside external source tags. Again, when posting you will see little buttons above the text entry box that automatically insert these tags for you. Press "EX-TEXT" (external text) button, paste text, press 'ok'.
Your post will now include an external quote box
The tags may seem a little confusing at first but there are buttons above the text input field that automate this process - the important part is that you give credit for work that is not yours - Credit the source. As long as you do that if there is any confusion over tags then staff have the ability to format your post and can go in and correct as necessary where needed. We all make mistakes and we all have to learn but the important part is that you credit the source.
4) No gore, porn, advertising or spamming - Pretty simple.
Staff are here to help of course and you are welcome to contact any of us directly but you will find the community as a whole is generally very kind and considerate and will offer help if asked or even if they see you could do with a hand as you get to know your way around. It may be helpful to mention here that unless you are being purposefully silly then any contact with staff should be viewed as an attempt to help, please receive it as such. Feel free to message us and ask questions over anything you don't understand. If, for example, a thread of yours is moved then take a look at where it has been moved to. If a thread on the topic already exists and we close your newer thread (although please do check if a topic is already available for discussion - you may miss it though and if so that's no great problem) then please don't take your thread closure and redirection as criticism of your offering but rather an attempt to help ATS by keeping the discussion of a topic in a single thread.
After all that, ultimately (you'll get used to my excessive ramblings) a simple rule is that ATS is here to be enjoyed by all and honestly, if that's your guiding principle here, then you won't go far wrong. Stop lurking, take the leap and jump in knowing you are welcome.
edit on 9/11/12 by
JAK because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 9-11-2012 @ 07:24 AM by littled16
reply to post by SeriousIndividual
I lurked for a really long time before joining ATS, but not because I was afraid of not understanding the rules or how everything works. I didn't join for a long time because (1) I'm just not a "joiner" and (2) Because I was paranoid,as all proper tin foil hat wearers should be!
Honestly I always thought those were the same reasons most people lurk a long time before joining, but I have been known to be prone to self delusion!
I lurked for a really long time before joining ATS, but not because I was afraid of not understanding the rules or how everything works. I didn't join for a long time because (1) I'm just not a "joiner" and (2) Because I was paranoid,as all proper tin foil hat wearers should be!
Honestly I always thought those were the same reasons most people lurk a long time before joining, but I have been known to be prone to self delusion!
reply posted on 9-11-2012 @ 09:28 AM by yeahright
Tongue in cheek version of the T&C known internally as ATS Lite. Accurate, if not
thorough. There's a common thread there. 
Basically, if you learned anything in kindergarten about social skills, you're well equipped to participate here without a lot of supervision.
Basically, if you learned anything in kindergarten about social skills, you're well equipped to participate here without a lot of supervision.
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