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posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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reply to post by darkbake
 


I'm with you. Perhaps more people who have seen both sides should see their way to contributing to an understanding.
I grew up in a liberal family, have a liberal arts degree (ATH) from a mixed college. I was always self-sufficient, but lended help to liberal causes, such as the rain forest, recycling, tribal issues, etc..
I was beggared into libertarianism. It got to the point that so many people were asking for so much, I literally could not give more. I was charitably giving myself into poverty. A chairman from one organization would see the work I did for another org, and would approach me for the same treatment. This was constant. I was perpetually involved in giving my life over to causes, some I didn't agree with, but it was a 'good' cause all the same
I began avoiding human contact as much as possible. People seemed to only talk to me when they had their palm up and out, asking for something. What was galling, is that many times, these were things they can very well do themselves.
I took a break. At first it was just a two month break, then it became a year, so that I could recoup my losses. I worked a lot of extra jobs, and learned the true value of money. I had to help myself before I could help other people. I had to get on my feet before I became one of the people I before helped.
Now I am in a position where I can be charitable again, but I will never allow myself to set on by a pack of rapid charitable people. I teach them how to do it themselves.. If they have within them to work as I did for their organizations, good. If not, well the organization does with less.

I think it's good for each of us to explain how we came across our philosophies. I do believe that both sides of the aisle honestly want what's best for our country, we just have different definitions of what is best.




posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Well it seems that ATS has the most intelligent people on earth, but even these people can agree on most anything. So my question is if the most intelligent people on earth can't find away to get along with each other how to you expect republicans and democrats.

As long as we fight with each other we are all losers while The so called power that be sit back with their pop corn enjoying the show. Wake up people we are all the same. Just being played.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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Love it! Star and flag. I come here and all I see are these negative slurs and threads started to inflame some kind of a riot or revolt when what I desired to happen, happened. Why can't they see that? Why don't they accept that? I struggle mightily with these questions.....
Fleetingly to be truer.

I try not to comment.

It is like a glutton at the table to have all you want and then sit still and demand more but I'll tell you - I see this is a strategy of the Banking and Industrial Owned GOP and one which has served them well over the course of recent history. We just want what's ours and stop when we get it but I think perhaps the anti-industrial, "people for people" parties should fight that same way too. Take all the yardage you can while your opponent is laying by the sidelines - stunned.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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How do you know that "liberals" did this?

Geez, for a site that's supposed to be full of the "best and brightest" minds on the internet, I see nothing more than plenty of anti-liberal trolling.

Get your heads out of your asses, people and WAKE UP!



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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There are some decent conservatives on ATS. Some of them even came to a finding jesus moment after the election and are analysing the social issues the right is toting with a skeptical eye.

Of course their principled stance on fiscal issues remains..and good. that is the balance the system needs. We need a side of the aisle telling the left to calm down and lets look at the wallet before spending on more programs...sadly they forgot this message (like 30 years ago really) and focused almost exclusively on social anchors than fiscal wings.

In saying that, some of the more frothing at the mouth tools are now even more culture warrior entrenched, and are now going absolutely nuts (you see the threads).

To those ones..the ones screaming hatred for america, and people, and etc etc etc..I can only say this..and know this comes after trying to truely extend a hand of friendship and understanding (after all, bush's second term gave the left a partial meltdown)...but to those folks I say:
Ha HA! you lost, and will forever lose..your philosophy: rejected! now, get out of MY America.

But to the fiscal reasonable conservatives...we can find common ground. our vision of progression does not disclude your desire for personal achievement and fiscal balancing...contrary, it requires it. There is no house without a strong foundation for it to sit on.

So ya..sort your party out..split it in two, or three if it has to. Many on the left are there strictly for social reasons as fiscally, neither party has shown true remarkable steps to achieve a balance of progress tempered with responsibility.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
This is why I have a problem with liberals,
Their mean, even when they win.


Yes..liberals are meean.
University of Mississippi Students Shouted Racial Insults After Obama Won Last Night

After Mitt Romney lost the 2012 election last night, hundreds of Ole Miss students, according to Gawker, gathered to exchange racial epithets and violent, anti-Obama chants. In addition to saying not so nice, anachronistic things about people who aren't the same skin color as them, the students reportedly threw rocks and burned an Obama sign.


So, serious question to you then:
Do these kids represent a bunch of morons, or conservatives as a whole?

Does the actions of one or some represent the entire group they are part of?

I think that they don't, however, considering you are using individual examples of bad form to paint a whole group, then you -must- accept the same judgement for what you stand for, correct?

Do you now regret painting all liberals with one brush now?



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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I bet she's white and angry that Obama won.

Gotta love how the true colors of people come out over time. Plenty of people on ATS have denied being racist but I bet they hide it well.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Johncarter12345
Well it seems that ATS has the most intelligent people on earth, but even these people can agree on most anything. So my question is if the most intelligent people on earth can't find away to get along with each other how to you expect republicans and democrats.


ATS has the most intelligent people on earth?
MENSA is going to be upset upon hearing this.

ATS is filled with all sorts of fruits and nuts. Some highly intelligent, some you wonder how they managed to turn their computer on, and everything in between.

ATS is a good representation not of a intellectual community discussing stuff, but rather of a cross thinking platform of unique perspectives...but not all perspectives are clever.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


I bet she's white and angry that Obama won.

Gotta love how the true colors of people come out over time. Plenty of people on ATS have denied being racist but I bet they hide it well.

And some haven't. I actually give some props to those who admit they are racist..at least they know their issue and if they want can start working on it.

Can't fix a problem until you acknowledge you have one.

Ann Coulter says that there is no racism left in the right..not as a group (fair enough), but not even individually...aka, you can not find a single racist in the republican party on any level, from a senator, to some dipstick pig farmer in the backwoods of arkansas... She says all racists..all...100%, are liberals.

I wonder what trees look like on her planet...green leaves or like blue feathers...must be neat.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Ann Coulter smokes some really bad # because she's said a lot of nasty things herself over the years.

Besides, "wahhhh, liberals are mean! wahhhhhh!!!!" is not a constructive dialogue. Hell, this thread is technically a flamebaiting thread.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Actually the trolling seems to be more pro liberal...

I was tempted to report you for language and t&c violations but I decided not to... I understand you frustration and fear you are facing.... in the back of your mind the animal that you are see's the incoming problems and know what is about to happen

ATS is among the brightest.... It also means that each person will approach the path to solutions for this country by a variety of means... to downgrade someone's point of view because it is different then yours makes you a disappointment not only to ATS, not only to this great country of ours, not only to your family, and worst of all you are disappointment to yourself..

you have totally ignore the OP's message and point. The idea is for a civil conversation, or at the very least fall back and watch implosion as they turn on each other...

I will ask you personally to stop contributing to the fire and look with horse sense around you... How much hate have you generated....



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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The original poster was targeting liberals with their title and opening post. I actually reported it but the mods did not see anything wrong with it.

It just proves that ATS as a whole is biased against liberals.

I blame Fox News, WND and all the other fanatical right sources for this hysteria.

It's not too far from the red-baiting of the 1950s. This time, it's Rush Limbaugh and not Joseph McCarthy leading the charge.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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The original poster was targeting liberals with their title and opening post. I actually reported it but the mods did not see anything wrong with it.

It just proves that ATS as a whole is biased against liberals.

I blame Fox News, WND and all the other fanatical right sources for this hysteria.

It's not too far from the red-baiting of the 1950s. This time, it's Rush Limbaugh and not Joseph McCarthy leading the charge.


Nothing wrong with the thread/opening post. Basically my friend TheOneElectric, is simply saying to liberals: Look, we tried to reason with them..but they (conservatives) need to sort themselves out now without our help..they need to punch each other and bite and split..and we aren't helping the matter trying to give them the olive branch.

Thats not trolling or flaming..thats stating a fact and good advice...we do need to back off, let them go at each other, etc. Its not like any of them will listen to the advice of someone they painted as either a demon, idiot, soros tool, etc...and the more we butt in, the more likely they will sweep aside their needed changes and remain the same they were.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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I graduated from the George Carlin School of Political Discourse.

I met someone and we seemed to be clicking fine until she went off on a rant about Obama. I tried to change the subject and she proceeded to say that I was "wrong" for not thinking that the U.S is becoming more socialist, blah blah blah.

You can't reason with people like that. They'll turn around and play the victim and claim that you're suppressing their opinions when in reality, they're insulting your intelligence without much of a care.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
I graduated from the George Carlin School of Political Discourse.

I met someone and we seemed to be clicking fine until she went off on a rant about Obama. I tried to change the subject and she proceeded to say that I was "wrong" for not thinking that the U.S is becoming more socialist, blah blah blah.

You can't reason with people like that. They'll turn around and play the victim and claim that you're suppressing their opinions when in reality, they're insulting your intelligence without much of a care.


Girl I am seeing now is a conservative. I don't mind it. Then again, she is a british conservative, which by comparison makes Obama look like Rush Limbaugh.
After her basically comparing the two, she wanted Obama to win...because from a outsiders view, it was the race between a sort of centerist rock star, and some wackjob cultist pilgrim



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by darkbake
...Although I lean towards liberal policies, the liberal attitude of being the only ones with the correct view gets to me.

Agreed...
...and the opposite (conservatives believing they have the holy grail of truth) is true, as well.



There are some issues with liberals that could be addressed, the most important one being the fact that a strong family structure (including gay marriage) is something that helps the middle-class. In addition, they are very intolerant of individuals with different viewpoints.

Would like to know what you mean by "helps the middle-class".
Would also like to know who "they" is...in your last statement (above). - I''ve seen liberals "more tolerant" of other viewpoints in some arenas...but in others, far less tolerant.



As I said before, I agree with a lot of liberal views, especially their tendency to work with scientific evidence and their work towards a society where everyone can live in comfort.

Can't say I'm in agreement on "their tendency to work with scientific evidence..."
I have noticed an almost sinister resistance to ideas/findings that would topple entrenched "scientific paradigms"...by the same group that touts honesty & ethics as founding principles for their endeavors.
This is the same as what so many (here) find abhorrent about "the Conservatives".



That said, if the conservative party was able to completely re-think their outdated viewpoints, and come up with a positive message about what they wanted to happen while still working with existing social programs and accepting reality, I think they could make a strong case and come out looking as the more progressive party.

Here is a fundamental difference between "conservative" and "liberal" (imo)...
The "liberal" mindset is geared toward "social programs"...meaning - programs paid for by all (those who want them, and those who disagree with them). The "liberal" mindset attaches some degree/s of righteousness (or - civility) to whether one is for or against such programs.
The "conservative" mindset is geared more toward keeping things the way they are (and have been)...



They might think this is not possible, but if they took the time to thoroughly understand liberal policy instead of being afraid of it, they might be able to make adjustments to it in some way that could benefit our nation.

You are more optimistic than I in these regards.
...But, nice to see your thoughts on the subject.
Thanks.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Neither of you have any idea of what a liberal is, do you?

Your words don't exactly soothe over any tension here.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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I seem to remember a fellow the other day that called some Gop people stupid or dumb or something like that in another thread ...................hmmmmmmmmmmmmm



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by TheOneElectric
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Why civility? Because it would be nice to argue a position with levity and grace rather than name calling and teeht baring. It is my hope that people tone it down a bit, due to hos quickly things are escalating. I want to watch it all happen, but I am starting to feel that direct participation is helping no one.




Friend,

You seem to be under the illusion that either party really makes a damn. Both are sell outs.

the republicans are for the most part fascist and the dem's are socialist/communist/marxist.

Both are totalitarian.

period.

What needs to happen is to throw EVERY one of these SOB's out on their collective butts and have regular small business men in their places.

Lawyers need not apply. You will be prohibited by law from ANY office.
Bankers? Same.

What this really boils down to is this.

Hang it up. Its not gonna happen.

We'll have plenty of time to rebuild the nation after it has burned to the ground as it seems to be doing at the moment. We just need to be capable of surviving the hell that is coming.
edit on 10/11/12 by felonius because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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If you belong to either of those two parties still this late in the game, than my advice would be
to get your heads out of your asses.

Both parties have been hijacked by power hungry beurocrats and people who dont have to/know how to- think on their own.

We dont need to change how people think- we just need to get them to think instead of going autozombie..

Its the crips and the bloods. Stay true to your party till the day that you die. Think not.
Lie to your own people
to cover up for Parties mistakes and crimes.

How anyone can trust a Major National Political party is beyond me. These people are liars and killers, thats why they are there. They are good at lying in order to keep their sheep from wandering and to keep their enemies at bay.
Its funny/sad how most of their enemies are usually never 'the peoples' enemies.

Those party morons now control most major policy changes- the rest of us have no say. We dont have the numbers and never did. The stupidity is strong with party goers that it makes them blind to the truth-that they are being used to further someone elses agenda.

You will never get the full truth because there is too many lies.

If we voice our own opinions that dont fall in line with the Party Mantra at the time- Then we are racist-bigoted-gay hating-muslim hunting-bible thumpin- warmongers who eat paint chips for breakfast.

Hell- lets get real. There are many people on this site(friends) who will no longer reply to me because I didnt tow
the Romney vote.
I never got love from the Obama people-haha. I cant communicate with people who refuse to look at things from the opposing point of view all because it doesnt fit with their party outline. i think of them as whores and their parties the pimps. Cept the whores arent doing much these days except for bitching and taking other peoples monies without putting out.

No new plans to fix problems- Just 'TAX IT'. -and IMO- a sure sign of them being useless and irresponsible.

Then I get these jackasses trying to preach during election time on how great Obama was doing for our country,
and that him and his party deserved another 4 .:::makes sheep noises::


Both parties are the biggest criminal gangs in the world. They dont have to break the law- they just change them and ignore the ones they dont like at the time.

The rest of us get the shaft- even those who make the excuses for them. Or those of us that have to live it.

Ive paid for my crimes in the past- I damn well aint gunna relieve them of paying for theirs.

Both parties have too much power ,and they will destroy our nation. IMO- It has already begun.
This nation is eating itself so they can remain in power while we take the shots.

Give me one reason why I would back either one of those parties or members when the past 20+ years has been nothing but disaster after disaster.
How do they have mybest interests at heart? haha good luck with answering honestly-

When will you people take some responsibility for yourselves and stop alligning yourself with these pricks?

Most of you(party hacks) are morons- or just blinded by them. In either case- there is no positive outcome for you.
I blame all you sheep for this countries problems. Stop being stupid. A lot to ask- I know.
You just dont know how.
You have been programmed.
You suck.
Now get over it and go shave that wool.

- Or you can just tell me that I dont know what I am talking about while you graze through your sad life as an ignorant fool who really believes in nothing, and stands for everything they want you to stand for.
Which is the same as being nothing.





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