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Nabucco Pipeline, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and Syrian Unrest: No End in Sight Due to War for Gas!

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:59 PM
Hello guys, not sure if I've posted about this before, but a few years back for some reason I stumbled across the wikipedia entry on "Nabucco Pipeline" -- now that I think of it, that was during Obama's FIRST campaign, believe it or not. At the time, about 8 trillion dollars was needed to complete a very large and supposedly crucial pipeline from the middle east to Austria. This was called the Nabucco pipeline project.

The Nabucco pipeline (also referred as Turkey–Austria gas pipeline) is a proposed natural gas pipeline from Erzurum in Turkey to Baumgarten an der March in Austria diversifying natural gas suppliers and delivery routes for Europe. The pipeline attempts to lessen European dependence on Russian energy. The project is backed by several European Union states and the United States and is seen as rival to the Gazprom-Eni South Stream pipeline project. At the same time, there are some doubts concerning viability of supplies. The main supplier is expected to be Iraq with potential supplies from Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, and Egypt.[1]

Preparations for the Nabucco project started in 2002 and the intergovernmental agreement between Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Austria was signed on 13 July 2009. The project is being developed by a consortium of six companies. If built, the pipeline is expected to be operational by 2017. The consortium has submitted also a modified project called Nabucco-West, which does not include the Turkish section of the pipeline.[2][3]

As of 2012, some analysts declare Nabucco is unlikely to be built due to changed political situation and competing projects.[4][5] The final investment decision by the Nabucco consortium is expected in 2012.

Russian Disquiet with Nabucco

Economic and political aspects

The Nabucco pipeline will supply only a limited number of countries in South-East and Central Europe.[19] The project has been criticized as uneconomic because there is no guarantee that there will be sufficient gas supplies to make it profitable.[17] Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki has stated "speaking about the Nabucco pipeline without Iran's participation would amount to nothing but a pipeline void of gas". Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has made similar remarks.[84] The deputy chairman of the Russia's State Duma Energy Committee Ivan Grachev has questioned the viability of the Nabucco project and sees it as an attempt to put pressure on Russia.[85] This is supported by Russia's gas deals with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, which by some observers has been seen as attempt to reserve potential Nabucco supplies.[86][87] Azerbaijan has stated that the gas will be transported only through those routes, which would be commercially most attractive.[79] Also the opening of the Central Asia – China gas pipeline and the agreements to build the South Stream pipeline has been seen as the end of Nabucco project.[88]

However, before the raise of project's costs and the proposal of modified project, RWE had claimed that the transportation of natural gas through the Nabucco pipeline would be cheaper than through South Stream or other alternative pipelines. According to RWE, the transportation of thousand cubic meters of gas from Shah Deniz field to Europe will cost through the Nabucco pipeline €77 versus €106 through the South Stream pipeline.[79]

There are plans to build an extension to this pipeline from Iran, through Syria.
Now, as things are, I think Europe remains at the mercy of Russia in terms of purchasing large amounts of natural gas. However, if this pipeline is installed, ideally the amount coming from the middle east would be about double that coming from Russia to Europe. Big difference, and you can see how a struggling Russian economy would try to hide their reasons for wanting to extend the conflict in Syria.

On the other hand, the multinational corporations like BP are not above assassinating presidents and the like, as we saw in Libya when Gaddafi reneged on his offshore drilling agreements (right after Macondo exploded!).

Al Jazeera on the pipeline and Syria conflict:
Pepe Escobar

Deep beneath "Damascus volcano" and "the battle of Aleppo", the tectonic plates of the global energy chessboard keep on rumbling. Beyond the tragedy and grief of civil war, Syria is also a Pipelineistan power play.

More than a year ago, a $10 billion Pipelineistan deal was clinched between Iran, Iraq and Syria for a natural gas pipeline to be built by 2016 from Iran's giant South Pars field, traversing Iraq and Syria, with a possible extension to Lebanon. Key export target market: Europe.

During the past 12 months, with Syria plunged into civil war, there was no pipeline talk. Up until now. The European Union's supreme paranoia is to become a hostage of Russia's Gazprom. The Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline would be essential to diversify Europe's energy supplies away from Russia.

It gets more complicated. Turkey happens to be Gazprom's second-largest customer. The whole Turkish energy security architecture depends on gas from Russia - and Iran. Turkey dreams of becoming the new China, configuring Anatolia as the ultimate Pipelineistan strategic crossroads for the export of Russian, Caspian-Central Asian, Iraqi and Iranian oil and gas to Europe.

Try to bypass Ankara in this game, and you're in trouble. Until virtually yesterday, Ankara was advising Damascus to reform - and fast. Turkey did not want chaos in Syria. Now Turkey is feeding chaos in Syria. Let's examine one of the key possible reasons.

Syria: the ENERGY NEXUS of the MIDDLE EAST gas projects
Energy Crossroads

I went down to the crossroads

Syria is not a major oil producer; its reserves are dwindling. Yet until the outbreak of civil war, Damascus was making a hardly negligible $4 billion a year in oil sales - a third of the government budget.

Syria is way more important as an energy crossroads, much like Turkey - but on a smaller scale. The key point is that Turkey needs Syria to fulfill its energy strategy.

Pipeline Blowing up in Investors' Faces Due to Arab Spring

Dangerous liaisons

Damascus was certainly pursuing a very complex two-pronged strategy - at the same time linking with Turkey (and Iraqi Kurdistan) but also bypassing Turkey and incorporating Iran.

In-depth coverage of escalating violence across Syria

With Syria mired in civil war, no global investor would even dream of playing Pipelineistan. Yet in a post-Assad scenario all options are open. Everything will hinge on the future relationship between Damascus and Ankara, and Damascus and Baghdad.

i will write more later. thoughts welcome

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:14 AM
nbc: CIA CHIEF TENDERS RESIGNATION, cites "exm affair" (being shanghaied???)

In a statement, Obama said he accepted Petraeus’s resignation on Friday.
"By any measure, through his lifetime of service, David Petraeus has made our country safer and stronger," Obama said of the four-star general, who led American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"In his mind, in his views, with his code of ethics and morals, he did a very dishonorable thing," the official said. "This had nothing to do with Benghazi, nothing to do with his relationship with the White House."

Petraeus was appointed CIA director in April 2011, replacing Leon Panetta, who moved to the Pentagon to become defense secretary.


**Nacubbo on the Knife's Edge**

Nabucco Faces ‘Terminal Blow’ as Hungary Woos Russia Link
By Zoe Schneeweiss and Anna Shiryaevskaya - Apr 24, 2012 9:02 AM PT

The Nabucco natural-gas pipeline project to ship Caspian fuel to Europe may have been dealt a “terminal blow” as Hungary seeks to attract a rival link planned by OAO Gazprom, Russia’s gas export monopoly.
Mol Nyrt. (MOL), the country’s largest company by market capitalization, is leaving the 7.9 billion-euro ($10.4 billion) Nabucco project, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said yesterday in Brussels.


Russia Barking at Nabucco's Moon?


Expert’s opinion.

Intergovernmental agreement on the gas pipeline Nabucco construction lying round Russia forces Russian authorities to activate negotiations on construction of the lobbying pipeline “South Stream”. According to experts Russia will use all available means to attract partners to “South Stream”.

Russian authorities call not to politicize the process of Nabucco pipeline construction. Particularly, the source in the Ministry of Foreign Affair of the Russian Federation informed Interfax about it. “We are assured, that all gas transporting network projects should be based not on geopolitical views, but first of all on cost-effectiveness”, - underlined the diplomat.

“South Stream” will lie along the bottom of the Black Sea from Novorossiysk to Bulgarian seaport of Varna. Further one branch of the pipeline will lie through the Balkan Peninsula to Italy, and the second through Hungary to Austria.

He is convinced that “meanwhile, we say the same about Nabucco”. “To our view, it is still not clear about the guaranteed resources base, and in these conditions the risks of investments enhance multiply”, - said the diplomat. According to his comments, “it all results into prolongation of the terms of Nabucco accomplishment”.

More Nabucco talk in Moscow
Nabucco project may be delayed. For ever

Tags: Business, Opinion & Analysis, World, Nabucco, gas pipeline
Polina Chernitsa
Feb 16, 2012 18:36 Moscow Time

The fate of the European Nabucco project will be decided in the middle of this year. Experts link this to the progress in the talks between Turkey and Azerbaijan on the construction of the Trans-Anatolian gas pipeline (TANAP). Official Baku says that it plans to sign an agreement soon. Amid the above-mentioned events, the European press is actively criticizing Azerbaijan, warning again of the danger of the Russian South Stream project.

The launching of the TANAP gas pipeline may finally change the concept of gas supplies to South Europe, which is currently developing within the framework of the South Corridor Project and provides for the construction of three gas pipelines, including ITGI (Turkey- Greece- Italy), TAP (Turkey-Albania-Italy), and Nabucco( the Caspian Sea Region-Turkey-Europe). This corridor is meant for the diversification of gas supplies to Europe – meaning, first of all, efforts to decrease its dependence on the Russian gas.

It was planned that the Nabucco gas pipeline, which is due to connect the Russian Caspian Sea Region with Turkey, would play a pivotal role here. After the presentation of this project, there appeared forecasts that Iran, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan would become the suppliers for it. For objective reasons, only Baku can become the supplier today - only after the second stage of the Shah Deniz gas field is launched. In the current situation the Nabucco needs automatically put under threat the implementation of the South Corridor Project, Head of the National Energy Security Foundation Konstantin Simonov says.


Russia's Demands Regarding Syria

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:19 AM
Russia wants Palestinians kept out of Syria fighting

MOSCOW | Fri Nov 9, 2012 11:07am EST

(Reuters) - Russia is "deeply concerned" by reports that each side in the Syrian conflict is enlisting and arming Palestinian refugees and said on Friday they should be kept out of the fighting.

Syria hosts more than 500,000 Palestinian refugees, according to United Nations figures.

"We call for the participants of the conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic to show restraint and do all possible for Palestinian refugees not to be dragged into the Syrian confrontation and for places of their residence not to become objects of hostility," the Foreign Ministry said.

Syrian rebels killed 10 members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, a faction loyal to President Bashar al-Assad, in a clash near the Palestinian camp of Yarmouk in Damascus on Wednesday.

After that incident, Syria's Foreign Ministry said Damascus would stand "with full determination against any attempt to drag the Palestinians into what is happening in Syria".

Aliyev favors Nabucco
Azerbaijan’s Industry and Energy Minister Aliyev says the Nabucco West project is the best option from all points of view due its capacity, diameter and opportunities to deliver gas to eastern and central Europe


SAUDI ARABIA financing extremist muslims in order to rob surrounding nations of gas wealth?
‘Syrian Rebel: Uprising Hijacked by Extremists’

6:45 pm in Uncategorized by CTuttle

“The West isn’t doing enough, and other countries like Saudi Arabia are pushing their Islamic agenda by giving the rebels financial support,” Saeb said.
The Syrian opposition is divided, and there are fears that if and when the Assad regime falls there’ll be continued violence between rival factions…


Journey to the Center of Earth's Natural Gas Wars

Mercredi 9 mai 2012
The media and military attack against Syria is directly related to the global competition for energy, as explained by Professor Imad Shuebi in the masterly article we publish. At a time when the euro area threatens to collapse, where an acute economic crisis led the U.S. into debt up to 14 940 billion, and where their influence is dwindling in the face of emerging powers BRICS , it becomes clear that the key to réusite economic and political dominance lies mainly in controlling the energy of the 21st century: the gas. This is because it is at the heart of the most colossal gas reserve in the world that Syria is being targeted. The war of the last century were those of oil, but a new era, that of the gas wars.

With the fall of the Soviet Union, Russians have realized that the arms race had exhausted them, especially in the absence of supply of energy necessary for any industrialized country. Instead, the U.S. had been able to develop and decide on international politics without much difficulty because of their presence in the oil areas for decades. This is why the Russians decided to turn to position themselves on energy sources, as well as gas oil. Whereas the oil sector, given its international division, offered no prospects, Moscow counted on the gas, its production, its transport and large-scale commercialization.

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:24 AM
reply to post by KhufuKeplerTriangle

I can understand they think they need these resources,but....

Almost as much,or more is wasted fighting over them.

Same old crap.

posted on Nov, 11 2012 @ 05:23 PM
Natural gas in the news today:

Nov 11

Homeland Security: All indicators point to natural gas leak in southeast side explosion

Southeast side explosion (November 11, 2012)

By Fox59

2:27 p.m. EST, November 11, 2012

Investigators are working to determine what led to a fatal explosion on the city's southeast side.

It happened near Stop 11 and Sherman Drive just after 11 p.m. Saturday. At least two people were killed and seven others were injured.

night before 11/11, at stop 11 just after 11

weird enough? LOL


Disaster in Indiana: Details Emerging Fast, Homeland Security on Scene
November 11, 2012 02:00 AM EST (Updated: November 11, 2012 02:55 AM EST)
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There is a huge disaster in Indiana, from what appears to be a natural gas explosion. Witnesses in Indianapolis say they saw metal debris falling from the sky. What is known is that so far, six homes have been destroyed, two from explosion and four from fire. The explosion happened about 11:10 p.m. in the 8400 block of Fieldfare Way, near Sherman Drive between County Line Road and Stop 11 Road. It was heard from miles away.

One witness says his home "teeter-tottered" on its foundation. Bonnie Hensley, Indianapolis fire public information, told CNN that there's "Extensive damage for over a block each way from the exploded houses." The Department of Homeland Security is on the scene. According to Indy Fire Department scanner chatter, there are two homes that are flattened, windows in homes as far as several blocks away were blown out. They believe there are still residents trapped in one or more of the residences. Neighbors immediately rushed to the aid of victims. 200 homes are now being evacuated to Mary Bryan Elementary School. IndyGo buses are helping to transport evacuees.

Witness and citizen rescuer Kirk McDonald said, "It was a loud explosion. The whole house shook, things falling off the wall. I could see insulation falling out of the sky. The house that blew up, there was nothing left of it but sticks." When he heard screaming from a home, a man, woman, and two children, he ran to help. "I went inside to help the people out. As we got her out, the whole house was catching fire," McDonald said. "We had to dig off two-by-fours, siding." Responders are asking for people to bring in food, baby diapers, wipes, and formula to local fire departments. Red Cross is en route to the disaster.

*The latest word is that they have confirmed it was not a plane crash.

*Arson investigators are now in charge of the scene.

*Power company was just ordered to cut power to the entire subdivision.

For more details on the disaster in Indiana, along with a live feed of the scene from WISHTV, click here.

Users on Twitter are speculating why DHS was on scene so fast; some claiming this was a drone strike or other conspiracy. Hashtag #indyboom and #indyexplosion for info.

Photo credit: Indianapolis Star

© Margie Wilson-Mars 2012


I was joking with my spouse earlier this year about a drone strike scenario on a residential area -- in my story, the target was a CT (like us ATS people) whose documents were only partly destroyed in the fire.

Kind of like 9-11 but messier.


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