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Massive Friday protest in Egypt to demand implementing Islamic law

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:08 PM

Massive Friday protest in Egypt to demand implementing Islamic law

Osman El Sharnoubi, Thursday 8 Nov 2012

Islamist groups - excluding Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Nour Party - to protest at Tahrir Square demanding the inclusion of Sharia as the main source of legislation in Egypt's new constitution

Excluding the Muslim Brotherhood you say? I doubt that.

I've been hearing from some folks that Sharia Law is coming to America soon, mostly because of Obama (not that I believe it). I've also heard some pretty scary things about this Islamic law but at the same time I've heard more rational things. I've seen a YouTube video or two about Sharia Law so that means I'm pretty much an expert on the subject. Actually I don't know jack about the Law and am curious what posters on ATS know and how they feel about it. Who hasn't heard about the crazy things that go on in the Middle East so fears about Sharia law I'm assuming are valid and I'm sure I would never want to live in a country that endorses it, right?

Many Islamist groups announced their intent to participate in scheduled 9 November protest in Tahrir Square to call for the application of Sharia (Islamic law) in Egypt.

The Salafist groups, Al-Gamaa Islamiya and its Building and Development Party and Salafist Front along with its political arm the People Party, will congregate in a planned million-man demonstration in Cairo's Tahrir Square on Friday.

The conservative Islamists groups reject the present formulation of Article 2 of the draft constitution being drawn up by Egypt's Constituent Assembly. The article states that the "principles of Islamic Sharia" are the main source of legislation."

Islamic Sharia and its rulings – not its "principles" – should be the main source of legislation, Ahmed Mawlana, People Party spokesman, told Al-Ahram's Arabic news website.

Many Salafist Muslims regard the "principles" of Islamic law – which translate into values such as justice, truth, and equality – as too vague and far placed from proper Islamic doctrine, while Sharia encompasses all aspects of life, they argue.

This part is fun,

Article 2 should read as, “Islamic Sharia alone is the source of all legislation and all that conflicts it is invalid and corrupt,” said Sheikh Islam. The article should also stipulate that Sharia governs the constitution and laws, he added.

Looks like I'm not moving to Egypt anytime soon. Now we all know the Muslim Brotherhood is infecting Middle Eastern nations capitalizing on the recent Arab Spring and looking to take over. So I'm hard pressed to believe the Muslim Brotherhood isn't all for the pro Sharia Law protests tomorrow.

Despite unclear stance, Brotherhood mobilises for pro-Sharia Friday

Ahram Online, Wednesday 7 Nov 2012

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood has called on members and supporters to participate in mass rallies planned for Friday by a number of Islamist parties and groups to demand a constitutional article calling for the application of Islamic Law.

Leading Brotherhood figures in the north-eastern Sharqiya governorate staged a demonstration on Tuesday evening at which they called on the public to participate in the planned rallies.

The Muslim Brotherhood, the country's largest Islamist group, distributed flyers calling on Egyptians to participate in the Friday rallies so as to "thwart the attempts" of those aiming to sabotage the work of Egypt's Islamist-led Constituent Assembly, currently in the process of reviewing a draft constitution.

The largest Islamic group is handing out flyers calling on the public and their own members to demand Islamic Law be implemented into their new constitution but they haven't officially stated their position yet... Well I'm sold, if the brotherhood is pushing for it then I'm totally against it. Is there good news on the horizon in hopes to stop the brotherhood and their influence in Egypt?

The Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party, which holds a majority of seats in the Constituent Assembly, has issued calls to "protect Egypt's Islamic identity," but the party has not formally objected to the current text of Article 2, leading to a growing rift with its more conservative Islamist counterparts.

The drafting of Egypt's new national charter has been hindered by conflicts between the country's liberal and Islamist camps over the constitutional role of Islamic Law. Several articles in the proposed charter related to the issue have been rejected by liberal forces and human rights advocates.

The fate of the Constituent Assembly itself, meanwhile, is uncertain, as it remains at the centre of a legal battle over the constitutionality – or lack of thereof – of the mechanisms employed to select its members.

On Tuesday, a lawsuit against the constitution-drafting body was referred to Egypt's High Constitutional Court, which, if successful, could lead to the assembly's dissolution.

Well that's good news but how long is that gonna take because Egypt is running out of time and the people want their constitution and they want it NOW!

Egypt draft constitution to be finalised before 19 November: Assembly member

Proposed constitution will be ready for popular referendum before end of November, says member of Egypt's controversy-dogged Constituent Assembly

A final draft of Egypt's new constitution will be finalised before 19 November, Mohamed Mohieddin, a member of the defence and national security committee within Egypt's Constituent Assembly – tasked with drafting a new national charter – said Thursday.

Mohieddin added that assembly members would vote on the final draft before the end of this month, after which the document would be put before a popular referendum for approval.

He went on to say the assembly's 100 members would begin discussing the draft on Sunday.

Mohieddin's statements come as the assembly faces threats from 30 of its liberal and leftist members to withdraw from the constitution-drafting body to protest what they see as an unrealistically tight deadline by which the assembly is expected to finish its work.

And there you go, the clock is ticking. Will the Muslim Brotherhood be kick out? Will Sharia Law be implemented in Egypt's news constitution? What we do know is the Brotherhood is pushing for this to pass and fast before they get boot, but remember they haven't officially embraced it yet

And let's also ask the question, where does the White House stand on the Muslim Brotherhood? They fully endorse them, no?

edit on 8-11-2012 by Swills because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:27 PM
Look at the fools striving for sharia. so in a few years they can cry out to the world of the brutality.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:37 PM
reply to post by zonetripper2065

I'm inclined to agree. Come Friday I will be on the look out for video of the protest to see what kind of support it gets. My fears is it will be widely supported.

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 12:27 AM
reply to post by Swills

Sadly I know your right.

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 03:25 AM
no beer and gambling anymore in egypt i guess.
The tourists would just have to go there for the egyptian history.

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:20 AM
Guess the Persian apostate infidel leader Khameni is still at it - stirring up trouble for Egypt.

He jolly well knows that to revert in whole of the 7th century Sharia Laws, which will include Hudud, as the constitution in this modern advance century, it will only create chaos and strife into Sunni Egypt.

7th Century Sharia law was meant for the brutal pagan arabs who converted to Islam under Prophet Muhammad, and was thus very strict.

Those laws will eventually evolve, BUT without losing its essence as the muslim community progresses, the way judiac laws had evolved into the English Common Laws which is adopted or adapted into many modern societies around the world, which fueled our advancement in science, tech and economics.

What those islamists want is insane - to revert back to the 7th Century. It is either to be true to the original or do anything progressive or accept progressiveness would be a lie to the religion.

To be true to that original version and earliest interpretation would mean that current day advances and progress must be rejected. No iphones, no banking, no land reforms, no trading in modern commodities, no manufacturing except normadic lifestyle, no military jets, equipment, etc, etc.

By all means, if that loud vocal minority wants it so bad, let them have it. Let Sharia Law in the original form be the constitution, and watch the result.

IMF and other sovereign loans to Egypt must cease - Neither a lender nor a borrower be. Egyptians will have to make do with themselves, or drag the islamists to Tahir square and make them rain manna from heaven for eternity upon Egypt.

The world can turn its back on Egypt. If the fundamentalists think religion alone will save the nation, let them have their way. Better that they lead, and failed which is the only outcome, then to never try and then blame moderate Egyptians for being apostates and refusing to follow Sharia law but sought for its principles instead.

And when Sharia law as per 7th century is implemented, may they know the adage by prophet Muhammad - never to harm an innocent human, muslim or otherwise, for speaking out. He did not do so during his time on earth, for there were dissenters around him, and even cast inflammatory poems about him, but he let them live, as he knew it will be his words that live forever, and not those doubters.

May they not behave like Persia today, where dissenting muslims whom were only questioning authority but were slaughtered, as the recent case of Sattar Beheshti, over mere questioning words about the persian regime, one of many in Iran.

Good luck to the Egyptians. May they standby. Tahir Square awaits the day when those village idiots posing as muslims under the pay of Persian apostate Khameni, will be booted out

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 05:14 PM

Salafists vow more protests for Sharia-based constitution - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online

Tens of thousands of protesters crowded Cairo's Tahrir square on 'Sharia Friday' to demand Islamic law to be the primary source of legislation in the coming constitution.

"We demand that Islamic law becomes the source of legislation and warn against any foreign intervention in the writing of the constitution," Tarek El-Zomor, Al-Gamaa Islamiya Leader and founder of its Building and Development Party, told Ahram Online.

He stressed that the constitutional draft currently being written by Egypt's Constituent Assembly must be completed soon.

A strong antagonism against pro-democracy forces or "the Liberals and secularists," as commonly called by Islamists, was evident in the protest.

Egypt's ultraconservatives demand Islamic law - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

More than 10,000 ultraconservative Muslims have demonstrated in central Cairo to demand that Egypt's new constitution be based on the rulings of Islamic law, in the latest tussle over the role of religion in the country's future.

The rally was called for by a number of minority Salafi groups, but neither the Muslim Brotherhood nor the main Salafist Al-Nour party backed the protest.

The writing of the constitution has been fraught with controversy since last year's political uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak and ushered in the rise of formerly repressed Islamists to power.

But Islamists themselves are not in agreement over the interpretation of Islamic law and its place in the document.

Demonstrators in Tahrir Square demanded on Friday that the panel tasked with writing the constitution override liberal and secular objections and include language that could see religious scholars influencing legislation.

The panel is led by the Muslim Brotherhood, the powerful group from which the country's new President Mohammed Morsi hails.

"Sharia [Islamic] is our constitution" and "The people demand the application of God's law," protesters chanted.

Second amendment

The controversy surrounding the constitution is centered on the wording of the second amendment.

In the former constitution, the wording stated that the "principles of Islamic Sharia" are the basis of legislation.

This wording is favoured by liberals because they say it meets the broad ideas of Islam.

Conservative Muslims want the wording changed to state that the basis of law will be "the rulings of Sharia," implying Egypt's laws may be left to the interpretation of religious scholars.

The current 100-member assembly has just eight women, some of them from the Brotherhood, and eight Christians.

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 01:05 PM
Looking at the pics, it can be decieving, for no one can count the number off picture, but it was reported that only about 10,000 protestors were there, out of the est 90 millions of free Egyptians.

On a personal basis, the insignificant nobody me would prefer these village idiotic loud minority posing as muslims set the narrative and constitution. Only by making mistakes can societies truly learn and progress.

Unfortunately, I have a heart, and do not wish them so, because of 2 reasons.

1.) 7th century styled Sharia law in its original form had been adopted by the Taliban in Aghanistan, way before NATO's search for terroists hidden there. The Taliban had only proven failure after failure with Sharia law implementations, resulting in chaos, and fears to its society and economy, while enriching brigands with power and wealth whom pay lip service to Islam.

Yet, these bunch of apostate renegades regrouped and now had murdered and terrorised the elected govt of Aghanistan and innocent People, a heretical act against the very teaching of Prophet Muhammad who had taught never to hurt or harm innocents, more so without the authority of the leaders of a community - nation.

Will the minority village idiotic illiterate Egyptian fundamentalist radical islamists do the same as the Talibans? Barbaric human nature points to it, either self stupidly or manipulated by the power hungry.

2.) I have no wish to see my fellow human brothers and sisters of the Egypt nationality suffer for years over what will be an obvious failure in governance of a modern civilise society by Islamist radicals. Who can forget the pizaa paid and sent in solidarity to Occupay Wall Street protestors by a fellow human from Egypt?

Thus, the balance 89 million, 9 hundred and ninety thousand Free Egyptians must stand up and EDUCATE the 10,000 village idiots, regardless if they are militants or illiterate clerics hoping to gain power, to learn the truth.

They are only fellow relatives, neighbours or friends. Invite them over for kebabs and bread dinners, and then share, discuss and debate over the Sharia law issue, and in the national media and social media.

7th century original Sharia law will not be able to meet the needs and progress of the 90 million people. They are no longer normads but live in cities with needs. Reverting back to normadic lifestyle is not possible as it would be unsustainable - how much land would Egypt need to accomodate the millions to such normadic lifestyles?

Once Sharia law is forced through, its justice system meant for new converts from barbaric pagan societies, will create chaos, confusion and strife not only to the common man or woman who is used to universal sufferage, it will hurt enterprises, as the original law have no statutes over modern progresses in science and tech, and with Hudud laws, many will only become liabilities to the state to feed, nurse, house and clothed in terms of million sized population instead of paying fines and then becoming productive contributing citizens

It may be a daunting task as those radical islamists are more prone to violence than to logic and reason, but nevertheless, Free Egyptians must take courage from Prophet Muhammad.

He always led from the front, and often the only man in the lead, against far worse enemies of change - the bloodthirsty arab pagan barbarians, whom resisted change for the better. But he never feared, and brought change and civilisation from Allah to them which resulted in Islam - a religion for peace and civilisation to the arab world.

Change is the only constant in life, inorder that mankind progresses and evolve. May true muslims in Egypt walk courageously in the path of Prophet Muhammad, as with the many brave forefathers whom have sacrificed their lives to evolve the Koran beyond flawed mortal narrow minded interpretations without losing the teachings' essence and core principles.

May the 89,990,000 Free Egyptians, men and women, win against the 10,000 village radical islamist radicals posing as muslims and destroying progressive Islam.

posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 10:50 PM
Under Sharia law, secular people will be exterminated, you're the worst kind of scum if you're Godless. Christians may remain alive, but be forced to pay Jizzya poll tax to go on existing. Jews will be exterminated, because the day of resurrection will not come unless they are exterminated.

Here's 35 of the Sharia laws, theres more than this though.

1- Jihad defined as “to war against all non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
3- The head of an Islamic State (Caliph) cannot be charged, let alone be punished for serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape (Hudood cases) - Codified Islamic Law Vol 3 # 914C of and page 188 of Hedaya the Hanafi manual.
4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.
5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.
8- A Muslim who leaves Islam (apostate) must be killed immediately.
9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : a) an apostasy b) an adulterer c) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.
10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.
11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave. Slavery still exists amongst Arab Muslims
12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, for sins like killing, adultery, prostitutions; and other Quranic corporal punishments like: amputation of limbs (chopping hands and feet), floggings, beatings and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for the sins like: stealing, sexual promiscuity, robbery, burglary etc.
13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia (pay Zizzya: poll tax) if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their own religious scriptures, or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.
14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, Muslims can curse, criticize or say anything derogatory they like to the religions of others.
15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.
17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
18- A non-Muslim cannot rule even over a non-Muslims minority.
19- Homosexuality is punishable by death. (18 January 2011, 5:26pm) - Two young men who filmed themselves having sex with a 17-year-old have been sentenced to death by stoning in Iran (click on image for full story)
20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.
21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.
22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.
23- There is no common property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits. Sister gets half of what brother gets.
25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and wife has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.
26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and also with women captured in battle (concubines), and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.
28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man; that is, two women equal to one man.
29- A woman looses custody if she remarries.
30- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.
31- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face and some don’t.
32- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”
33-It is obligatory for a Muslim to lie if the purpose is obligatory and is known as Taqiyya (Islamic Deception). That means that for the sake of abiding with Islam’s commandments, such as jihad, a Muslim is obliged to lie and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying.
The above are clear-cut laws in Islam decided by great Imams after years of examination and interpretation of the Quran, Hadith and Mohammed’s life.

34. The perpetrators of genocide, mass rape and plunder will not be punished if they repent - Codified Islamic Law Vol 1 # 13.
35. To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. Women’s testimony is not accepted - Pakistan’s Hudood ordnance 7 of 1979 amended by 8B of 1980. Thousands of raped women and girls in many countries have been charged with Zena (physical relations outside marriage) and punished by Sharia courts for want of witnesses.
36. All modern music including sexually explicit music of any kind is strictly prohibited and punishable by Islamic Sharia code of justice. Only Islamic songs are allowed.

posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 11:09 PM
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Looking at the pics, it can be decieving, for no one can count the number off picture, but it was reported that only about 10,000 protestors were there, out of the est 90 millions of free Egyptians.

In many instances the minority has and can make changes for the majority.

posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 12:11 AM
I am sorry. I am by no means an "Islamaphobe" as they have been called. But, as a student of world religions for 6 years in the 80's in college. I have read the Qu'ran, and the Hadiths of such as the Ayatollah Khomeini. Both support and press Sharia law. Sharia law is anti-woman, anti-anything other than Islam. If you are a Kafir, an infidel, you are to be converted by any means necessary. Or, you are to be exterminated.Jihad is encouraged, and world domination is the Jihads ultimate goal. According to Sharia law, even if a Kafir converts to Islam, he should be killed. Woman are considered second class citizens, not allowed to vote, drive, leave home without a male family member. Children are raped, marriages to children as young as 4 or 5 are not uncommon. Children, (male and female) are allowed to to be thighed, (having the adult male penis rubbed along the genitals, or between the thighs until the male orgasms. Thighing (according to Khomeini) is allowable with children as young as a few months old. Anal sex is allowed with children (both male and female), or even between two male adults. Yet, homosexuality (love between two men) is punishable by death. But, anal sex (for sexual release) is allowed and even encouraged. If you don't believe what I have just written, do a little research. Read the Hadiths, and even the Qu'ran yourself. I believe it is your right to worship as you please. If you want to call god Jehovah, or Allah, or Buddha, or even the Great Spaghetti God, it is your right as a human being. But, if it harms women, calls for the extermination of all but your religion, or harms children, such as these sick, vile, pedophilia practices, you need to question your beliefs.

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