Iran Fires On US Drone

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by sonnny1

 

I don't see you apologizing for US drones firing on civilian populations of various countries. You are truly confused when it comes to equal humanity.

Im also not apologizing for Irans treatment of its own people. Again, lets not deflect from the story.

Iran Fires On US Drone


I never doubted it, from being a fact, nor did I jump to conclusions like "others" have done.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
I don't see you apologizing for US drones firing on civilian populations of various countries. You are truly confused when it comes to equal humanity.

Pakistan publicly denounces the drone strike while privately applauds and asks for them to continue.
Have issues with that? Take that up with Obummer and Pakistan.

LOL how dare Iran protect it's regional interests

The US unlike Iran is a Global power and has more financially and politically at stake and involved than Iran does and the Persian Gulf is in the US's and it's Allies best interest.

Deal with it.

I guess if they catch drones floating around they are just supposed to let it be and not worry about it.

Exactly.

Just the same way the US and Canada deal with Russian intrusion into our airspace.

Escort them and their flying antique relics out the door.

reply to post by sonnny1


You're making a big assumption there, Sonny- and quite unjustified. Iran is not flying drones in US territory or anywhere near it as far as I know. If they were, and the drone was shot down by the US, I'd say it was justified. You seem to be arguing from a simplistic position of "our guys=always right, the other guys=always wrong" Not everyone here thinks like that- if you read carefully you'll notice that.

reply to post by seaside sky


If the Predator really was in their airspace, then by all means, swat it out of the sky. But I have three questions that we'll probably never have the answer to, that make this whole situation not add up to it being in their airspace for me.

1.) Why SU-25s?
2.) Why shoot at it with a gun, then shoot at it twice, and stop, why not use a missile? The Frogfoot can carry the R-60 (AA-8 Aphid), which is more than capable of hitting a Predator.
3.) Why chase it out of their airspace, and then suddenly stop as if they hit a wall? They had every right to shoot it down if it started in their airspace.

Originally posted by seaside sky
reply to post by sonnny1

 

You're making a big assumption there, Sonny- and quite unjustified.

Wrong.

The State Department said Iran fired on an American Drone.

Iran stated it fired on an American drone.

Both Countries are saying the same thing. The difference is in the why. If America fired on an Iranian drone, in international waters, or in Iranian airspace, do you believe those hard-lined Iranians wouldn't be chanting "Death to America"? I sure as hell know they would.

I'm glad the United States didn't stoop to Iran's stupidity.

I'm only on page 4 but had to stop to say S & F.
I'm not sure if it's been asked yet

Why wasn't this information released before the election?
Why did Iran wait so long before talking about this?

Originally posted by sonnny1
Wrong.

The State Department said Iran fired on an American Drone.

Iran stated it fired on an American drone.

Both Countries are saying the same thing. The difference is in the why.

AND

With that I'll make my exit.
Pot Roast tonight with all the fixings

reply to post by Manhandler12

Why wasn't this information released before the election? Why did Iran wait so long before talking about this?

Don't shoot the messenger here but you did ask.

While rumors of an “October Surprise” -- purported secret talks between the United States and Iran -- appear to have done little to affect the outcome of the presidential election, new reports suggest Valerie Jarrett, President Obama’s senior adviser, may have been facilitating communication between the two adversaries. Read more: www.foxnews.com...

The reports suggest that Jarrett, who was born in Iran to American parents and who served as senior adviser to Obama’s presidential campaign, may have held clandestine meetings, bringing together officials from the Obama administration and the Iranian regime. Read more: www.foxnews.com...

The news was obviously delayed over poltiical reasons.

reply to post by davcwebb


A drone, is a weapon of war. Armed or not. If Iran was flying drones off the coast, and the US felt it necessary for them to bring it down regardless of reason. It is not an act of war for the US to do.

How given that the US, and Israel keep threatening Iran with military intervention, is Iran acting aggressively for shooting down a weapon that could head into or out of their territory.

If an ICBM was flying over the Atlantic ocean heading to it's designated crash zone in international waters in the pacific, and the US shot it down wouldn't you feel more at ease knowing you brought it down, instead of it possibly being a threat to the US?

I just don't see how this is aggression. Drones anywhere near Iran is an act of aggression. Whether it's carrying bombs or camera's Iran has it's right to be left alone, just as the US does.

I felt it necessary to add that a drone is not a human being, and what exactly constitutes an act of war.

act of war

— n
an aggressive act, usually employing military force, which constitutes an immediate threat to peace

A drone is an unmanned aerial vehicle capable of being equipped with missiles. In essence, a flying smart weapons platform... A tool of war.

If I lived in a country where the US decided to fly drones over my head with the possibility of them being armed, I would be upset also.

I won't be very happy when they implement something like that here in the name of National Security. I just love the idea of an unmanned aircraft, remotely controlled from who knows where, flying overhead that could possibly crash down without a moments notice. That makes me feel so safe

I can see it now. An unmanned drone gets taken down one day on a recon mission. A stupid, unnecessary, conflict sprouts into being without a single human casualty.

Now that would be one for the history books.

Originally posted by cconn487
If I lived in a country where the US decided to fly drones over my head with the possibility of them being armed, I would be upset also.

You already do, man.
You live in the United States.

Originally posted by Destiny Of Souls

Originally posted by cconn487
If I lived in a country where the US decided to fly drones over my head with the possibility of them being armed, I would be upset also.

You already do, man.
You live in the United States.

That is whats so freaky about it.

What is to stop a random person with the technical know how from taking one of them over and crashing it with a computer and a decent wireless network? Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but what is keeping our own military/government from using one of these for a false flag type attack?

Lets just say Iran did hack and land that drone they obtained awhile back. If they could do it once, they could do it again. Or we could be led to believe they could do it again and have ourselves another 9/11 type witch hunt after the big bad terrorists strike again. With Iran as a prime suspect.

reply to post by cconn487

Iran is a problem for the whole region as well as a threat to oil shipments coming through the Strait of Hormuz. It has unfortunately reached a point that it is not a question of IF but WHEN the time comes when Iran will be forced to comply with it's agreements.

Iran has miscalculated in thinking that if it develops a circa 1945 Fission Bomb that this would deter the possibility of U.S. Military action. It will not.

Fortunately there is a real possibility that Iran's own people may take power away from the current regime...but if this does not happen...Iran's Military Leadership will have the choice of either Standing Down and becoming the protector of a Free Democratic Iran...or be Obliterated.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by cconn487

 

Iran is a problem for the whole region as well as a threat to oil shipments coming through the Strait of Hormuz. It has unfortunately reached a point that it is not a question of IF but WHEN the time comes when Iran will be forced to comply with it's agreements.

Iran has miscalculated in thinking that if it develops a circa 1945 Fission Bomb that this would deter the possibility of U.S. Military action. It will not.

Fortunately there is a real possibility that Iran's own people may take power away from the current regime...but if this does not happen...Iran's Military Leadership will have the choice of either Standing Down and becoming the protector of a Free Democratic Iran...or be Obliterated.

Split Infinity

I don't get how Iran's leaders would think a single nuke would do anything either. Maybe the US going soft on North Korea put it in their mindset that they can build one and get off with a warning.

I don't know how Iran's government works, but I am sure the people have about as pull as us American's do with our own government.

Its sad people use military action as a deterrent to gaining nuclear weapons.

We should be smart enough, whether you are a ruthless dictator, or a democratic loving patriot, to realize even a single nuclear device ready to be deployed is an insult to humanity.

reply to post by cconn487


It's simple really, once you've tested the first nuke, the rest of the world stands down because they don't know if it was only one, or one of 4 or so on.

The issue with nuclear weapons is it doesn't matter where it's detonated the extreme loss of life is to much for any nation to risk action. There are plenty of nations surrounding Iran that don't want to be blown up.. In fact a lot of nations the US is pretty cozy with, so if Iran did get one you could do absolutely nothing to them. IF you launched a nuclear attack on Iran, your allies are close enough they would suffer from the fallout, so you can't use that option, and what can you do when the nation in control of the nukes could take millions of lives if you so much as spit at them.

Tricky thing, nuclear weapons. Once you got em, you're pretty much untouchable.

reply to post by cconn487


Iran has crossed the line. It has made the mistake of Playing Nuclear Games with a Superpower. The decision has already been made that Iran cannot continue to as it is with it's current regime.

Thankfully...the U.S. is having Secret Military to Military talks with Iran's real Military Leadership. Iran's Military Leaders and especially Iran's Navy is on the verge of Mutiny as the Iranian Navy is not happy with the thought that they will be used by their Regime as the Sacrificial Lamb in that Regimes attempt to regain the populations support should the U.S. be forced to act if that Navy is ordered to close the Strait.

Iran's Military is under no illusions what the outcome of a war would be with the U.S. Their anger is our Card in the Hole. Split Infinity

reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee


So if Iran had drones flying over our aerospace, we'd be wrong to shoot them down?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by cconn487

 

Thankfully...the U.S. is having Secret Military to Military talks with Iran's real Military Leadership.

If this is a secret how do you know about it? If it really was a secret, whoops, cat is out of the bag now... Care to post/share your source(s)?

reply to post by icepack


I wouldn't say "they" only 1 person can fly a jet.

reply to post by Evanzsayz

wasn't it two jets ? and, there are jets with two pilots, one flies the jet, the other does the weapons.