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Socialism, wealth redistribution, social justice, and making things "fair" does exactly the opposite. It stifles innovation and discourages advancement and betterment. It is the path of stagnation and devolution. It destroys the individual and makes one a statistic rather than a person. It is dehumanizing.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NavyDoc
Socialism, wealth redistribution, social justice, and making things "fair" does exactly the opposite. It stifles innovation and discourages advancement and betterment. It is the path of stagnation and devolution. It destroys the individual and makes one a statistic rather than a person. It is dehumanizing.
No, Doc. It doesn't. It aims to enfranchise the less fortunate. Democrats/leftists count on the wealthy to do their part in contributing. They rely mostly on donations and foundations . Do you know the first thing about Grant Writing? About acquiring funds from places like the United Way, or the City Commission's tax-derived programs?
Have you ever been to a fundraiser for a charity? Do you know the rigor put in to courting those who have the wealth to contribute? Have you ever worked for a non-profit and had your program either usurped by corrupt "directors", or shut down due to lack of outcomes?
OUTCOMES are what those donating want to see, only they are not worried about their "bottom line." They are concerned that their philanthropy produces the stated goals of the recipients, but helping them learn to help themselves.
There's a huge difference, and you really are out of your area of expertise painting "social workers" and "social justice activists" as dehumanizing the disenfranchised.
You are free to believe whatever it is you believe...just do not be upset that we disagree with you.
Do not tell me how to live...we can fight till the stars burn out....you will not win.
Private charity and fundrasing and getting people together to help people has nothing to do with a governmental system of wealth redistribution.
Yes to all the above and you miss the primary point that the above charities are voluntary, not part of government coercion. Nothing wrong with helping people. I do it myself all of the time.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NavyDoc
Private charity and fundrasing and getting people together to help people has nothing to do with a governmental system of wealth redistribution.
Yes to all the above and you miss the primary point that the above charities are voluntary, not part of government coercion. Nothing wrong with helping people. I do it myself all of the time.
Okay, first of all I'm guessing your "all bold" is a response to mine which I pulled immediately to reformat. Check above for the unbolded (corrected) version.
Second of all, I retract my statement about your field of expertise.
That said, you DO know how it's supposed to work. The government, in my opinion, is TRYING TO DO THOSE THINGS that the non-profits are trying to do. Just because it's the government using taxes to fund it doesn't make it "dehumanizing."
My beef is with with those who refuse to acknowledge the needs of others and are draining the nation's wealth, funneling into their own pockets PERIOD. But I guess (once again) we don't understand each other correctly.
So be it.
Originally posted by wildtimes
You feel they are being eroded and eventually will be taken entirely away from you? That is not happening unless you are doing something wrong. I still have my rights - except if I want to build a bomb or fly a plane into a building or kill people in a theatre...
....the NDAA? Are you planning a government overthrow? Are you someone who should be worried about getting caught?
Yes, layoffs are going to happen in the global corporations that are publicly held, because the RICH do not want to contribute. If Romney had said, "If you elect me I will empty my Cayman Island accounts and put them all PERSONALLY toward the national debt! AND, I will bring ALL OF THE OUTSOURCED jobs BACK HERE!" I'd have voted for him. But he didn't, and he never will.
They don't need 100-foot yachts.
They need to be educated
They need the resources to farm and develop cottage industries, and the training to do so.
Jobs, and a hand up. Not to be laid off because some shareholder gets his panties in a twist or some CEO who can't manage with less than a 7-figure "bonus" whines. You have enough extra money to live without $25K a year? HIRE SOMEONE who needs it!
Profit Profit Profit. What about the people being laid off so your precious "profits" are protected? HOW is that okay? You stamp your feet about people needing subsidies to survive, but you lay them off when your shareholders' "dividends" are likely to diminish?
Guns? They're not going to take your guns!!!
You don't want to be "forced" to help (when that is what you should be doing if you can)....? (That was supposed to be handled by your parents before you reached age 5! It's called "sharing")
Your business would fail, because you, like millions of other college students who dream up all of these BS ideas about how businesses should operate, simply have no clue, no experience, and no idea how to run a business in this place called reality.
BTW, it is the function of government to see to the education and prosperity of the people of the Union, which includes
Socialism on a societal level is dehumanizing...it takes away one's initiative and one's drive. If you cannot enjoy the fruit of your hard work and innovation and imagination then no one will innovate. No one will imagine. The human animal wants to reach for the stars and works best when it can do so. In effort to make everyone "equal" socialism makes every one equally mediocre. This is not how civilization advances.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NavyDoc
Socialism on a societal level is dehumanizing...it takes away one's initiative and one's drive. If you cannot enjoy the fruit of your hard work and innovation and imagination then no one will innovate. No one will imagine. The human animal wants to reach for the stars and works best when it can do so. In effort to make everyone "equal" socialism makes every one equally mediocre. This is not how civilization advances.
I see what your point is.
I disagree with it.
You don't have a firm grasp of "socialism". It doesn't suppress.
Sigh. Okay, I'm about drained for this week.
Again, thanks for engaging.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by seabag
CRONY CAPITALISM is what we have now, and both parties drink from the same cup. Are you pretending not to notice the big corporate money in BOTH parties??
The people who were to protect us from capitalism-gone-wild have instead been bought.....the safe guard has failed and we now have CRONY capitalism. Are you suggesting democrats are going to fix this???
If you’re a young Obama voter and you happen to be reading this, then give yourself a pat on the back for having the intellectual curiosity to read something else besides what Jay-Z and your ex-hippie college professors think. You’re in the minority, and I applaud you for it.
And it’s not your fault that you don’t know anything about American politics. Your professors haven’t taught you anything but the left-wing pablum that has been spoonfed you since second grade.
You voted in 2012 for Obama. Here’s your participation trophy.
But it looks pretty bad when repeated “man on the street” interviews show that the most unblinking Obama voters know very little about the basic functioning of American government; whose platform was whose before the election; and the main issue facing citizens: the economy. To be fair, if you airdropped someone into the backwoods of America and asked your typical conservative recluse about basic civics, he would likely fare no better. Yet liberals are supposed to be intellectually superior to everyone else, due to their proper academic pedigree.
These videos are important not just because it shows some of the silliness pervading college campuses in the United States, but they provide some explanation why more than half can’t find a decent job after graduating from college (a vast corporate conspiracy, I’m sure). More than that, they show that most conservatives are approaching politics wrong in the new media era.
www.ijreview.com...
Consider this video, that shows Obama voters slamming Mitt Romney, while supporting his policy proposals; and hammering the policies of “Mitt Romney,” which actually belong to Obama:
Originally posted by NavyDoc
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