Originally posted by stupid girl
reply to post by fleabit
Only God can see a person's heart-- the essence of who someone truly is. No matter how much human beings tend to levy judgment against their
brothers, it will always be a flawed perspective.
Who among us can say what someone who led a seemingly unsavory lifestyle (...albeit subject to each and every individual perspective of whatever that
unsavoriness may entail, all of which will respectively differ and vary...) experiences at the moment of their passing from this world to the next?
What choices they are given or revelations they experience?
The simple truth is, no human being alive on earth really knows. And even if there were a handful that did, the truth would simply get lost in the
myriad of opinionated understandings professed by others on the matter.
Regardless, pontificating on the existence or purpose of hell serves more as a distraction from Truth than any sort of defining standard for it.
When I read, "Only God can see a person's heart-" I was instantly reminded of these verses.
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive
sins but God alone?" Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, "Why are you
reasoning about these things in your hearts? Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat
Alright, so we see here that Jesus, the only begotten son of God, can indeed forgive sins and no hypocrite on earth can change that fact and no
righteous person would dispute. Well sure, because unless we forgive others for their sins and do it from the heart, we won't be forgiven by God.
It's easier to forgive someone who hurt you or even just annoyed you, than it is to tell a lame person to walk or a blind person to see.
If I could point out the difference between Jesus and the Lawyers it would be that Jesus wanted to forgive, to build up a person both physically and
emotionally as well as intellectually, to see them for their potential to being bearing good fruit.
As for what you've said about human beings always having a flawed perspective, I was reminded of this:
2 Kings 6:16-17 "Don't be afraid!" Elisha told him. "For there are more on our side than on theirs!" Then Elisha prayed, "O LORD, open his eyes
and let him see!" The LORD opened the young man's eyes, and when he looked up, he saw that the hillside around Elisha was filled with horses and
chariots of fire.
Then Elisha prayed, "O LORD, open his eyes and let him see!" The LORD opened the young man's eyes...
Ask and you shall recieve.
You said, "The simple truth is, no human being alive on earth really knows." You can ASK to know!
James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
I understand that it's not always easy to tell whether or not an individual is coming or going.
John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone
born of the Spirit."
But for the most part, you will know them by their fruits. When does a fruit become a fruit, doesn't the tree flower first? And since the bible says
that wisdom is better than riches ask why people want riches, wouldn't it deal more or less with the perception of self and all that entails?
Proverbs 20:5 The purposes of a man's heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.
Are the waters we wade in shallow or deep. It is impossible for us to go down into the depths of water without some seriously high tech diving
machines, which people do use by the way, we know more about the surface of the moon than about the seas. But by the grace of God maybe a whale would
come up and swallow us, then where would a whale go for three days and nights? Did Jonah KNOW his life would be spared when he told the shipmates that
he was the reason that THEY were all in danger? Didn't he believe that God would spare their lives if he walked the plank? When did Jonah decide that
he would fulfill his purpose? After he thought he was a gonner!
The truth is not simple.
Proverbs 1:22 "How long, you simpletons, will you insist on being simpleminded? How long will you mockers relish your mocking? How long will you
fools hate knowledge?
To simply give up and relish in the unknown is to refuse to find out for yourself whether God be real or not.
Proverbs 1:32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them;
It's one thing to not know, but it's even worse to tell others that they can never know, especially since we need The Way, the words and teaching of