Message to GOP care of Rachel Maddow

reply to post by romney


Who is angry? I am arguing a completely viable discussion about socialism to someone who does not understand Fabianism. I have explained to you what it is. I have explained that socialism has been implemented in this country in degrees and I have given you specific aspects of it as implemented. I have barely touched it though, as the whole welfare state is part and parcel of socialist implementation. If you really want to get into details, we would have to go into a discussion of Nanny State Totalitarianism. I don't think you are ready for that.

Anyway, the point here is that while Rachel is a very smart person, she is also a tool for Progressive change. It is really just so simple.

It was stated in one link I provided that Fabianism involves nationalization of industry. Do you find it convenient that Progressives today keep harping on corporations and claiming that Republicans want to "privatize everything"? I literally saw that last bit posted here on ATS somewhere.

The reason this little talking point keeps coming up is because Progressives are socialist and they hate anything which is privatized. What did I tell you about private property and the Communist Manifesto. If you cannot put these puzzle pieces together even with help I don't know what else to say.

President Obama continues to seek credit for saving General Motors and the entire U.S. auto industry when his administration made the unprecedented move to takeover, nationalize, and use taxpayer funds to bailout the bankrupt company. In November of last year, the Treasury Department, which is a cabinet position in the Obama White House, admitted that losses to the taxpayer would be in excess of $35 billion, even after the promise by the President of no costs to the American people in 2009.

www.examiner.com...

then there is the issue of energy. Obama wants to cause the bankrupting of the coal industry and force taxpayers to pick up the tab for alternative energy. In fact he has used taxpayer dollars to bail out the failure Solyndra.
He chose to send taxpayer dollars to prop up Brazilian nationaized oil Petrobas while shutting down domestic offshore drilling for American companies.

and then there is the auto industry

www.examiner.com...

President Obama continues to seek credit for saving General Motors and the entire U.S. auto industry when his administration made the unprecedented move to takeover, nationalize, and use taxpayer funds to bailout the bankrupt company. In November of last year, the Treasury Department, which is a cabinet position in the Obama White House, admitted that losses to the taxpayer would be in excess of $35 billion, even after the promise by the President of no costs to the American people in 2009.

Maxine Watters, a Democrat in Congress outed the Progressives desire to nationalize the oil industry, and I have demonstrated already that nationalizing private industry is part of the Fabian plan.

I don't know how much more spelling out you need

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by romney

 

I see you didn't answer my several requests to list the socialistically derived things you have received this month. Exactly, because you are playing make believe and have no evidence of ACTUALLY socialism, you

You don't know what you are talking about and this is just fluff because you are not listening to me and you don't want to know what is going on. You have no viable arguments to counter my points.

I am getting tired of this obtuse stuff from you.

I have tried my best to explain things but you are unwilling to understand. I can't make you understand. So I am going to leave you with thanks for helping me to show that people who support a popular President don't always know what it is they are really supporting.

Ironically, I don't dislike Rachel. In fact she seems a likeable person. I don't have to agree with her positions though. It's funny how she rants about how Romney ran in Massachusetts as a Progressive but how he ran as conservative in the Presidential election, which appears to be true, but Democrats have painted Romney as an extreme right winger.


But can you really blame any man for saying they believe in a woman's right to abortion? Men are afraid to cross women on this issue. Would you blame any of them? Wanna cross a radical feminist?

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Like the oil industry isn't subsidized now? Give it a break.
You are the only folks on the planet that consider clean energy a communist plot.
Why should anyone come up with counter arguments when your initial premise is inaccurate to begin with? Let's save all the thinking people a little time. Why don't you first try to prove the falsehood you are making up here and then see if we can dispute it? First prove you are right. USA is Communist.

And BTW: Offering up Maxine Waters and her more truthful than not suggestion that all Americans own Americas oil.... doesn't quite cut it.

reply to post by romney


Oh ha! Talk about secret dealings, it is news on Fox today that Jarrett is involved with secret meetings with Iran.

While rumors of an “October Surprise” -- purported secret talks between the United States and Iran -- appear to have done little to affect the outcome of the presidential election, new reports suggest Valerie Jarrett, President Obama’s senior adviser, may have been facilitating communication between the two adversaries.

The reports suggest that Jarrett, who was born in Iran to American parents and who served as senior adviser to Obama’s presidential campaign, may have held clandestine meetings, bringing together officials from the Obama administration and the Iranian regime.

www.foxnews.com...

Remember Jarrett's communist family leanings.

Fox commentary is why is Jarrett involved in these secret meetings and not the State Dept.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

and yes Ohio really did go to President Obama last night,
WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH SINCE VOTER FRAUD AND RESULT TAMPERING HAS BECOME SO WIDE SPREAD. 64% OF AMERICANS DIDN'T EVEN VOTE
he really did win, and he really was born in Hawaii,
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE HE WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII; HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE HAS BEEN ALTERED; THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER HE USES CAN NOT BE HIS AND ON THE WHOLE, NOT ONLY HAS OBAMA STATED IN WRITING BUT IN HIS OWN WORDS THAT HE IS A NATIVE PF KENYA.
and he really is legitimately President of the United States, again!
NO, HE HAS NO RIGHT TO HAVE RUN OR TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT AND THIS IS TWICE HE HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH THEIR FRAUD
and the Bureau of Labor Statistics did not make up fake unemployment rate last month,
THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT AND UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS ALWAYS LIE, UNDERSTATE OR OVERSTATE DEPENDING UPON WHAT SERVES THE ADMINISTRATION IN POWER AT THAT TIME.
and the Congressional Research Service really can find NO evidence that cutting taxes on rich people grows the economy, and the polls were not skewed to over-sample Democrats,
UTTER B S. I KNOW FIRST HAND THAT I MUST INVEST AND REINVEST OR MY CAPITAL WILL SHRINK AND BE SHRUNK BY INFLATION (THE VALUE OF MY DOLLARS SHRINK 24/7/365 IF THEY ARE NOT GROWN BY RE-INVESTMENT) HOWEVER, IF THE RISKS OF RE-INVESTMENT AS AN EMPLOYER OUT WEIGH THE RISKS OF INFLATION, I WILL FIND SAFETY FOR MY CAPITAL..HERE OR ABROAD.
and Nate Silver was not making up fake projections to make conservatives feel bad, Nate Silver was doing Math!
and Climate Change is real, CLIMATE CHANGE IS DUE TO THE SUN AND NOT MAN; ALL POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS ARE SELF SERVING LIARS AND CHEATS.
and rape really does cause pregnancy sometimes,
PREGNANCY AS THE RESULT OF RAPE REPRESENTS A FRACTIONAL PERCENTAGE OF UNWANTED PREGNANCIES. IF WOMEN WOULD CLOSE THEIR LEGS AND BOTH PARTIES TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR SEXUAL HABITS, PREGNANCY AS THE RESULT OF RAPE WOULD GET THE PROPER ATTENTION AND SYMPATHY IT DESERVES.
and Evolution is a thing!
EVOLUTION IS A LIE, PARTICULARLY WHERE HUMAN BEINGS ARE CONCERNED. THERE IS NO MISSING LINK BECAUSE MANKIND WAS GENETICALLY MODIFIED BY ITS CREATOR(S)
and Benghazi was an attack on us, it was not a scandal by us,
THE SITUATION IN BENGHAZI WAS KNOWN; OBAMA AND OTHERS WATCHED, LET IT HAPPEN AND TRIED TO USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE AS SOME KIND OF FALSE FLAG
and nobody is taking away anyone's guns,
EVERY DAY LAW ENFORCEMENT IS CONFISCATING FIREARMS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AND THE OWNERS PLAY HELL GETTING THEM BACK.
and Taxes have not gone up,
PRINTING DOLLARS AND DEFICIT SPENDING IS AN INDIRECT AND HUGE TAX
and the Deficit is dropping, actually,
OBAMA HAS GROWN THE RANKS OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AND GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS LIKE NO PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA
and Saddam Hussein did not have Weapons of Mass Destruction,
9-11 WAS A INSIDE JOB AND FALSE FLAG; OBAMA SERVES THE SAME GLOBALISTS AS BUSH
and the Moon Landing was real,
NOT MUCH PROOF OF THIS BUT OKAY
and FEMA is not building concentration camps,
PLENTY OF PROOF THAT FEMA CAMPS HAVE BEEN BUILT ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.
and UN election observers are not taking over Texas,
DUMB STATEMENT TO BEGIN WITH, AS A 9TH GENERATION TEXANS, NO BODY, INCLUDING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS EVER GOING TO TAKE OVER TEXAS BUT THEY ARE WELCOME TO PUSH TOO FAR..PLEASE.
and moderate reforms of the regulations on the Insurance Industry, the Financial Industries in this country are NOT the same thing as Communism OBAMA IS A MARXIST

my 2 cents
IF....we are a socialist nation, why has union membership dropped over the past 5 decades?

IF...we are heading toward being a socialist nation, why has the top 5% acummilated more wealth, percentage wise, than the bottom 95%?

IF...we are a socialist nation, why have large capital corporations replaced "communal" businesses?, for instance, global banks now dominate over local banks, walmart, target, starbucks, walgreens, etc. puts "mom-and-pops" out of business. 5 global oil companies now control 80% of of our diesel and gasoline useage.

IF...we are a heading toward being a socialist nation, why has the tax burden over the last 5 decades been lowered for private corporations?

reply to post by newcovenant


If your point is that Republicans are tiptoing around the medicare and ss issue and silencing Ron Paul, yes I would say that is correct. Ron Paul has been marginalized by operatives of both parties. Why is this? Because both parties have been corrupted by socialism.
However I would say that Paul Ryan is trying to work within the construct of what is, and yet keeping us from going over the financial cliff. And for that the Democrat Party has tried to destroy him and his reputation.

Originally posted by ObservingTheWorld
reply to post by grandmakdw

 

grandmakw, here is your chance. Point out exactly what was false in the OP posting? And please do so with facts, not opinions.

As far as this country being ripped in two, your anger at the facts presented show it has already happened.

It's a symptom of the disease. Barry snorts another line that is 4 years long, and with it comes all the feely good rhetoric, including the 'we must heal from the (fill in the opportunity to seize the crisis here)'.

All he will do is hand over sovereignty, to a world power. This will be done in as much secrecy as possible. That is their goal, and he is the guy being used toward that end. The hopey crap people want to hear is an obvious diversion from the globalist ambition to have more pow-ah.

Jesus, grandmaw, do you really get well from listening to lies, left or right? Why give them that sort of control over you?

I don't have to heal from any of the lies and stories they cook up. I just want their treachery known for what it is.

reply to post by jimmyx


I am not an advocate of State Capitalism. I am an advocate of free enterprise. The coop between corporations and the state can be called State Capitalism, and this is not true free enterprise. Abuses of Capitalism do arise but the control of corporations by the State is not the answer as we can see. It just gives power to these monolithic entities while the "mom and Pops" suffer. But Maxine Watters wants to nationalize oil companies, not break them up into Baby Bells.
Another term for this coopting between the State and private corporations is "public-private partnerships". Now where have we heard this term before? Oh yes, in UN Agenda 21.

reply to post by redtic


The deficit is down? Do you even know what that really means? That just means we spent a little less then last year but are still adding to the debt.
Maddow is full of beans. Just because she said it, then it must be truth? Not coming for our guns? All's you have to do is look up the attempts at regulating guns in the last 4 years that were made and you'd know that was a pile of horse hockey. Her list is very suspect. It sounds all great and everything, but doesn't hold an ounce of water when tested.

"Politicians love to crow "The deficit is down! The deficit is down!" like it's a great accomplishment. Don't be fooled. Reducing the deficit just means we're adding less to the Debt this year than we did last year. Big deal -- we're still adding to the Debt. When are we going to start seeing the Debt actually go down?"
www.brillig.com...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by newcovenant

 

If your point is that Republicans are tiptoing around the medicare and ss issue and silencing Ron Paul, yes I would say that is correct. Ron Paul has been marginalized by operatives of both parties. Why is this? Because both parties have been corrupted by socialism.
However I would say that Paul Ryan is trying to work within the construct of what is, and yet keeping us from going over the financial cliff. And for that the Democrat Party has tried to destroy him and his reputation.

I will agree with most of this post. BUT I have to ask you how "socialism" can possibly CORRUPT any party much less both of them? There are no groups of poor bribing politicians to keep on with the social programs. Who wins in this? Who makes anything?

MONEY AND MONEY ALONE CORRUPTS.
Even power is a myth, (except in the case of psychopaths.)

The rich are bribing politicians to ease the already imbalanced requirements and responsibilities placed on them. Politicians only live a lifetime but the wealthy live forever. The results are cumulative and imperceptible so they can both get away with it. For the past 30 years we have moved in the wrong direction and let the tail wag the dog here in America. It is a business in Washington. You are either on the take or you're not. Washington has been sold off to a small Oligarchy within that remains as politicians come and politicians go.

And I will not go along with the last sentence and I am surprised you do not recognize the blatant and unadulterated dishonesty in it as well. Who was it that destroyed Ron Paul?
It was his own party. Make no mistake. We all watched it. Even many in the "liberal media" supported Ron Paul and tried to defend him and keep him relevant. But face it - there is no stopping that "old money" (less than 1% of Americans) protecting machine.

You sure can't pin that crime on anyone else. Other than his crazy ideas about the Fed I think most Democrats and Liberals (you see liberals ARE Libertarians) would have gone for Ron Paul over Romney certainly, and perhaps even over Obama but we did not have that choice.

reply to post by grandmakdw


Name calling? I saw her expose a lot of lies that the republican party was spreading so they could be elected. Lies that had no factual basis but they were ACTUALLY running on. Is it really that bad that she's saying the republican party has to get their # together? I mean seriously they clearly needed a wake up call and this should be it. Hopefully. An I'm saying the election is the wake up, not this video although she repeatedly hits the nail on the head.

reply to post by HAL9000beta1


Yes. She is openly gay or a lesbian or both. I don't know what the lingo is but I think people are getting used to gays and lesbians in the world.

They are coming to be accepted at face value and that's more than I can say for the ignorant and the truly deranged hatemongers.

Those extremist judgmental, selfish and bigoted seem to need "professional help" more than "acceptance" in modern society. As it should be.

I esp. liked this poster someone posted on my FB page recently. It is true. If you get your news from the drop outs...well, most educators will tell you to consider your source. Of course the corrupt ones won't tell you that!



No wonder there are so many science deprived platforms floating in this party. Global warming, rape, pregnancy, evolution, nutrition....Some people think these are all just theories. They never really happened.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by newcovenant

 

If your point is that Republicans are tiptoing around the medicare and ss issue and silencing Ron Paul, yes I would say that is correct. Ron Paul has been marginalized by operatives of both parties. Why is this? Because both parties have been corrupted by socialism.
However I would say that Paul Ryan is trying to work within the construct of what is, and yet keeping us from going over the financial cliff. And for that the Democrat Party has tried to destroy him and his reputation.

Both parties have been corrupted by socialism? Maybe corporate welfare for the Republicans, but certainly not socialism. As for operatives of each side putting him down, I'd say its more operatives of the Establishment putting him down, as well as his own political party. I don't see why he sticks with it. He gets abused by his party each time he runs for President.

But I agree that the MSCorporateM has marginalized him. Rachel Maddow had been the only person in the quasi MSCM who reported on the shenanigans by the GOP in robbing Paul of primary victories and delegates.

As for Paul Ryan he is one slick snake oil salesmen and all the Democrats have done is to call him out on his draconian policies and to call him out when he lies. And for the record he didn't do much for the GOP presidential ticket this campaign, which I believe is because his notions are so extreme, the GOP didn't want him flying his freak Ayn Rand flag high. By the way, did you know Ayn Rand made all the use of social security and medicare that she could?

Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by redtic

 

Way to rip the nation further in two!

A fantastic example of name calling and belittling that hurts our nation so deeply it may never heal from the rift.

Keep it up OP and keep encouraging the split of our nation in two because of intolerance and a non-acceptance of people who hold different ideas than yours.

Way to heal the nation, name calling, ridiculing etc.

How do you respond when a person calls you stupid, ridicules you and puts you down and then tells you to accept their ideas as the correct one? Think about it OP.

You right wingers are the ones who have torn this nation apart for exactly the reasons Rachel states. With your attitude that you "want Obama to fail" and refusal to accept him as a legitimate president. With your labels. With your insults. With your paranoia. With your Tea Party, which refuses to compromise but then expects the other side to. With your delusional view of the world. With your refusal to accept science. With your hypocrisy.

So don't complain now that you've been successful. Now that the world IS torn apart. Everything Rachel was referring to are the WELL KNOWN reasons we have such an extreme partisan divide. Evidently, you think we're NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

BTW, there was NO NAME CALLING. I repeat, NO NAME CALLING. That's what you guys do.

Originally posted by kaylaluv
GREAT commentary by Rachel. IMHO, she is the smartest person they have on MSNBC. The GOP should listen to her, she is absolutely right. The Republican party of religious fundamentalists is fading fast. I'm beginning to think the two next major parties will be the Libertarians and the Democrats.

I am not against religion, it is just having accurate religion, I believe Jesus and what he has to say. But saying everything in the bible is true or that the book of mormon is true, I think could very well be quite deceptive. There is no archeology nor dna to back up hebrews coming into the north or the south american continent from ancient Jerusalem so the book of mormon truly seems bogus. And of course Romney fully supports the book of mormon.

The bible, if one believes it is totally true could be half wrong, if one studies James Padgett and his claims of communicating to Jesus in the eartly 1900. He sates (if true) that Jesus is not GOD and it is an abomination to him if he is called God. But as for as religion fading fast, I think having the correct Jesus and his writings would be more important than having half A$$ed books or having deceptive books. I think religion could be great it was based on total truth and not so much deception. The religion wouldn't fade so fast in this internet age were people can look up things at a drop of a dime.

I agree, I think Rachel Maddow is a wonderful and very informed lady. Not saying she is perfect but I think she is better than most of the TV personalities.

reply to post by MrInquisitive


Yes. I am not clear myself how socialism can be used as a corrupting force.

My guess is the wealthy who are the corrupting force but that's just a guess.

reply to post by MajorKarma

and yes Ohio really did go to President Obama last night,

Yes so they say

What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote
www.punditpress.com...

President Obama must have run a great campaign considering the tremendous numbers he put up in numerous big cities. Over in Philadelphia, he was lucky enough to get 90% percent turnout in some districts with over 99% of the vote.

In Cleveland, in some districts he did even better with an astounding 100% of the vote in dozens of locations. For example, in Cleveland's Fifth Ward, Mr. Obama won districts E, F, and G 1,337 to Mitt Romney's... 0. And in case you're wondering, Gary Johnson received more votes than Mr. Romney.

Well, maybe that's just a fluke. In the Ninth Ward, Mr. Obama won districts D-G with a paltry total of 1,740 to... 3. Hey, at least Romney got .2% of the vote!
1,337-0
Okay, what if we look at an entire Ward? No way this trend continues, right? An entire ward. Why not do the First Ward? Obama won that one 12,857 to... 94. This time Romney got .7% of the vote. He's moving up in the world!

In total, there are 21 districts in Cleveland where Mr. Romney received precisely 0 votes. In 23 districts, he received precisely 1 vote. And naturally, in one of the districts where Obama won 100% of the vote, there was 100% turnout. What a coincidence!

By the way, in case you are thinking that Romney did so poorly because maybe those districts were not very populated: Nope. In those 44 districts, Mr. Obama won 14,686 to 23. That's .16% of the vote for Romney.

But Ohio's not important in the electoral college, right?

Originally posted by newcovenant


I esp. liked this poster someone posted on my FB page recently. It is true. If you get your news from the drop outs...well, most educators will tell you to consider your source. Of course the corrupt ones won't tell you that!

Again. Rachel Maddow is a Liberal Rush Limbaugh. BTW, shes not as smart as you make her out to be.