Message to GOP care of Rachel Maddow

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by grandmakdw

 

She is not belittling you, she is giving you undisputed empirical fact. The people that are dividing the country are not the ones presenting the facts, it is the ones that just flatout deny them like you are. We get it the truth hurts sometimes but that is no excuse to continually deny it. For four years the Republican Party has done nothing but prey on those who no matter what fact is presented will accept it. They did all of this to ensure Obama was a one term President, they sabotaged this country refusing to even try serving the public interest to make sure he failed. So now what are you going to do spend another four years reading birther threads and disputing his legitimacy or trying to get a principled compromise on policies that need to be addressed?

EXACTLY. Obama tried many times to "reach across the aisle". The Republicans would have none of it. When Obama adopted the GOP version of healthcare reform, the GOP all of a sudden demonized it as the worst idea ever. Now, who is trying to divide the country?

Originally posted by gangdumstyle
This whole thread is based on "parroting" Rachel Maddow, what the hell are you talking about..

No, this whole thread is based on the fact that the GOP needs a reality check. If you refuse to see that then you are only bringing the GOP further down. As I said in the OP, conservatives obviously have good ideas, but this country will never get any where with the stance that many in the GOP currently take (think Tea Party), which is holding us back as a nation.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by grandmakdw

 

She is not belittling you, she is giving you undisputed empirical fact. The people that are dividing the countryare not the ones presenting the facts, it is the ones that just flatout deny them We get it the truth hurts sometimes but that is no excuse to continually deny it. For four years the Republician Partyhas done nothing but prey on those who no matter what fact is presented will accept it. They did all of this to ensure Obama was a one term President, they sabotaged this country refusing to even try serving the public interest to make sure he failed. So now what are you going to do spend another four years reading birther threads and disputing his legitimacy or trying to get a principled compromise on policies that need to be addressed?

See underlined and bolded text. Thank you my dear for making my point.

Our country is in danger of losing it's status as "One nation", "indivisible" because of rhetoric like this.

reply to post by kaylaluv


You have not read all my posts. I have said BOTH SIDES need to stop name calling, belittling, and being intolerant of each others ideas/morals/ideology/theology and RESPECT each other.

Otherwise our nation will be torn so badly it may not be repairable.

The reality is that the Right often seems more interested in stubbornly arguing about what the truth is - in the face of all facts and evidence - rather than finding the bipartisan solutions our country needs to be productive and competitive in the 21st Century.

It's as simple as that and her editorial merely highlights that sad fact.

Though I thought the intro to the show last night was better - less divisive.

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reply to post by grandmakdw


Who said anything about a landslide? It was not. But it was decisive. Not 50/50, more 51/48.

If you truly believe that Romney lost because he was not far right enough, then get ready to be in the political wilderness for the next couple of generations. And be ready to lose the house in 2014.

The country needs a strong GOP. Having a one party system, which will happen if they don't change, is extremely bad for the country. Even the left would agree with that.

So only the GOP is the problem, here are a list of lies that people Chose to believe as told by BHO during the campaign.

www.audacityofhypocrisy.com...

Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

You have not read all my posts. I have said BOTH SIDES need to stop name calling, belittling, and being intolerant of each others ideas/morals/ideology/theology and RESPECT each other.

And that is what Obama has tried to do. So, now tell your side to play nice with him.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
So only the GOP is the problem, here are a list of lies that people Chose to believe as told by BHO during the campaign.

www.audacityofhypocrisy.com...

Well, no, that's obviously not true that the GOP is the only problem - but if you use this election as an indicator, it's pretty clear that the country is saying that the GOP is *a* problem. I understand that it's only a majority saying that, not the entire nation, but you have to hear the message.

Here's the program from the beginning - it's a classic imho and worth watching for both sides. Say what you want to about Maddow, but she's very intelligent and is stating facts.

reply to post by BritofTexas


I am not advocating a one party system.

I am advocating RESPECT, TOLERANCE, and an acceptance that intelligent people of good will, can have ideas/morals/values/theologies/and ideologies different from yours.

BOTH SIDES have lost that, from what I have seen in responses neither side is willing to be respectful or tolerant or accepting that there can be differing opinions on issues and even different ways of viewing facts.

These differences can be good, IF we respect each other and stop name calling, belittling, and condescending.

If we are willing to accept that people can have two viewpoints on the same issue, and even the same "fact" then the division will only deepen to the point of no return.

As a professor I ran the typical experiment of having a student run in and scream at me in front of the class demanding I change his grade and then run out. All the students saw the same "fact". Yet the interpretations of what they saw and heard differed greatly.

We need to accept and embrace our differences as each of us seeing a "fact" from a differing viewpoint; with the truth that will help everyone being on a continuum in between those differences. Sometimes one way is more correct, sometimes the other way, sometimes the middle ground.

If we say only our viewpoint is correct, then we are headed on a path to destruction of the country.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

You have not read all my posts. I have said BOTH SIDES need to stop name calling, belittling, and being intolerant of each others ideas/morals/ideology/theology and RESPECT each other.

And that is what Obama has tried to do. So, now tell your side to play nice with him.

Please read:
Obama calls Romney a 'bull#ter' – the election just got a whole lot coarser
Rolling Stone has quoted the president describing his rival as a 'bull#ter'. Cue outrage and hysteria from Republicans
www.guardian.co.uk...-rolling-stone?newsfeed=true

That is not trying to play nice. I'm not saying Republicans aren't guilty,
but one has to admit even the President has resorted to the type of name calling that divides the nation.

We ALL need to stop!

reply to post by gangdumstyle





I'm not parroting crapola...that list in the first post is correct.

Those views from dreamland accomplished nothing for anyone. But you called Obama a far lefty and said the Repubs need to be more far right...you do understand that far right in the extreme is Theocrats, nationalists and fascists and the far left extreme are socialists, communists and secularists.

Extremism serves a small select few while the truth of truths is 90% of the population are somewhere in the middle...left leaning or right leaning moderates.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
So only the GOP is the problem, here are a list of lies that people Chose to believe as told by BHO during the campaign.
www.audacityofhypocrisy.com...

If they ever want to be voted in again, then, yes only the GOP is the problem.

You have a fantastic opportunity to reorganize your party. If you do that then the Democrats will have problems in 2016. The country needs fiscal conservatives. Not rabid right nut-jobs that alienate women, Hispanics, the disabled, African Americans, gays......

Originally posted by grandmakdw

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

You have not read all my posts. I have said BOTH SIDES need to stop name calling, belittling, and being intolerant of each others ideas/morals/ideology/theology and RESPECT each other.

And that is what Obama has tried to do. So, now tell your side to play nice with him.

Please read:
Obama calls Romney a 'bull#ter' – the election just got a whole lot coarser
Rolling Stone has quoted the president describing his rival as a 'bull#ter'. Cue outrage and hysteria from Republicans
www.guardian.co.uk...-rolling-stone?newsfeed=true

That is not trying to play nice. I'm not saying Republicans aren't guilty,
but one has to admit even the President has resorted to the type of name calling that divides the nation.

We ALL need to stop!

So, you are a Republican that believes in being politically correct. That's a good start!

This is what is wrong with modern American Conservatism.

They take offense to facts. You give them cold hard verifiable facts, and they claim you are attacking them.

Yes, we can have our own ideals, values, morals and beliefs and those should be tolerated by everyone...but none of us can have our own FACTS.

You are not entitled to have your own facts.
You can't deny math because it is inconvenient for your side.
You can't say the polls are skewed because they show your guy losing.
You can't keep repeating lies when they have been debunked over and over and over.

There can be no civil discourse when one side outright denies facts and math. Especially when stating fact is considered an "attack" and being divisive by one side.

Originally posted by grandmakdw
Obama calls Romney a 'bull#ter' – the election just got a whole lot coarser
Rolling Stone has quoted the president describing his rival as a 'bull#ter'.

Except he kind of is...

PolitiFact has chronicled 19 “pants on fire” lies by Mr. Romney and 7 by Mr. Obama since 2007, but Mr. Romney’s whoppers have been qualitatively far worse: the “apology tour,” the “government takeover of health care,” the “$4,000 tax hike on middle class families,” the gutting of welfare-to-work rules, the shipment by Chrysler of jobs from Ohio to China. Said one of his pollsters, Neil Newhouse, “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.”

To be sure, the Obama campaign has certainly had its own share of dissembling and distortion, including about Mr. Romney’s positions on abortion and foreign aid. But nothing in it — or in past campaigns, for that matter — has equaled the efforts of the Romney campaign in this realm. Its fundamental disdain for facts is something wholly new.

The GOP is doomed. I'm a conservative and I see the writing on the wall. Bill O'Reilly was correct... "the nation has changed fundamentally."
Fiscal responsibility... in a time of extreme financial crisis... took a backseat to social issues in this election cycle. The American populace seems to be more concerned about vaginas than our skyrocketing debt.
Let a woman do what she wants with her body, more power to her. Long as it is not illegal, who freaking cares?

As a white male from the South, this election has made me realize that my way of thinking (and don't stereotype me)... hard work, save your money, take care of your family and pass on your wealth to your kids... is probably not in the majority anymore. Old fashioned ways and traditions are dying off with the generations before mine and will continue to do so in the future.

I am terrified of our massive government gaining even more strength, which is what I think will happen now that Obama has a full final term to work with. I'll be looking for a political party that embraces personal freedom coupled with accountability and fiscal conservatism. Maybe libertarian, but it's time for them to get off the fence and start really getting out there and putting their views out for all to see.

As far as if the nation is divided... it's been that way for years.

reply to post by grandmakdw


So instead of just accepting the truth and the facts as they are you choose to instead bury your head in the sand keep along the merry ignorant road. Safe travels and welcome to political obscurity.



I am sorry but you need to understand telling a simple truth and calling it for what it is, is not an attack or demonizing it is telling the truth. The entirety of ObamaCare is exactly what the Republicans were for before Obama decided to go along with it. It received no Republican support. The Dream Act was a bipartisan bill that should have had no trouble passing. It received no Republican support none, not even by it's authors and sponsors. Given the little clip there do you really think that is any kind of coincidence? While the right was busy voting on social issues our representatives were busy passing ways to spy on us, repress the sharing of information and coming up with ways to detain us without due process. Forcing Democrats to vote within the party, because they can't afford to let social regressives take office. Republicans are not just costing their party elections, they are costing the entire country by forcing us to refight battles that were had decades ago.

Originally posted by Jeremiah65
reply to post by gangdumstyle

 

I'm not parroting crapola...that list in the first post is correct.

Those views from dreamland accomplished nothing for anyone. But you called Obama a far lefty and said the Repubs need to be more far right...you do understand that far right in the extreme is Theocrats, nationalists and fascists and the far left extreme are socialists, communists and secularists.

Extremism serves a small select few while the truth of truths is 90% of the population are somewhere in the middle...left leaning or right leaning moderates.

oh c'mon...this thread is supposed to filled with emotional, irrational responses, not logical thought...please stick to the script...thank you

reply to post by grandmakdw


No, you have, sir or madam.

This "No, you move" mentality is outrageously backwards. We all move to the center. Don't expect everyone to move to the right, that's not how it works. America has lost its patience with the moral and philosophical toddlers, and now the "time out" rule has been initiated. Put away the toys, cut the tantrum, and go to the corner. Thanks.