reply to post by ancientthunder
The OP is very confusing and mixes many items that are truly not mixable.
Belief systems are created around stuff we think we know/understand/get, used to explain phenomena that we have no personal explanation for and also
as a base of faith, that permits us to take blind decisions in hope of a certain outcome. Belief systems are personal constructs but are not only
created internally, they are learned even indoctrinated. Part cultural artifact, part personal discovery.
First step to freedom is to be released from what you are not. Belief quite often tells us what we are not, we believe we are right or wrong.
This makes no sense. There is no way to prove a negative as such belief systems rely on positive assurance (not negatives, unknowns). That is fire
causes pain is a positive discovery that is done by observation, communication and self experience (I take for granted that every human being alive
today at age 12 has been burned by heat, not necessarily by fire, at least once, heck most people in a moder setup would have an high probability of
having self inflicted at least one electric shock by accident or design). Learning processes are positive by default what we do after discovery is
what can be considered negative. Think about you first realization on the power of lies...
Since belief systems are internal mental frames for them to have any power they require oneself to have the confidence they are right. To negate any
part of a belief system is to erode that mindset, this is one reason why we are by default averse to changes...
As the thread name "Believe it or not its the truth.", if one does not believe it, then it is not his truth if he does the belief needed to be
changed, to adapt.
The truth is we are neither, only acts can be considered to be right or wrong.
Again can't disagree more. Define fact in the context of belief systems, one look into the world suffices to prove that belief systems trump facts
most of the time. Faith is so strong that it can even act like a supernatural force, reality is what we think it is not what reality really is.
So if that is the case it is easy to assume that our beliefs are misleading us a lot of the time.
Belief systems can't mislead, not even other people ultimately can mislead you. You mislead yourself, start taking responsibility for your own
decisions... Like in hypnosis, you are not hypnotized you hypnotize yourself.
Once we have been burned by fire, we don’t need a belief system to deal with fire.
I will stop here since there is mostly nothing rational on the OP. As I stated before belief systems trump facts and "the real", this is why people
can walk on hot coals or even face becoming a firefighter. The mind withing the limits of reality can shape what you have learned, even permitting
amazing feats, again look at deep religious persons or the power of hypnosis to see what can be done to supplant the consensus of what real and
I have been exploring consciousness via hypnotic phenomena recently (almost a year now, it has permitted me to explain and understand many of the
mental constructs we create, the power of controlled delusion is extremely interesting and enlightening). Take a look into
this bit about Placebos at wikibooks
it should start to help you understand the erroneous
assertions you seem, to me, to have made.
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