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Discussing the recently appeared science underground papers of "Daniel"

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:14 PM
reply to post by consolution

Let's see;

Too many discredited crackpots and their theories.

References to the Philadelphia Experiment (admitted to be fiction by it's creator on his deathbed).

References to Bob Lazar, 'nuff said.

Lots of anagrams and "sciency" sounding words.

No mention of parameters or measurements.

No equations or anything testable.

Just Sci-Fi.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:17 PM
Ah, Dune! Now that's a mind trip.

Yes I think folding space would be like that.

This digs close to what Rob Bryanton goes through in his "Imagining the Tenth Dimension" series of videos on youtube. Very congruous with these ideas.

In fact, we have some parallels here. 3D time and 3D physical directions would be a 6D "Phase Space", which is something that would allow time travel, and alternate reality travel as well.. aka TIMELINES like Daniel goes on about.

And really, as a thought experiment anyway, it makes sense to me. "Folding" something from a lower dimension creates travel. Through space/time.

Links for Rob Bryanton for those who don't know of his project. WARNING he's not a scientist so if you're *that* kind of person (the one who chuffs at people who aren't scientists), just move along.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by fourthmeal

So is it kind of like the movie "Dune"?

The spice is vital to space travel. The Spacing Guild and its navigators, who the spice has mutated over 4,000 years, use the orange spice gas, which gives them the ability to fold space. That is, travel to any part of universe without moving.

If "space folding" or "warping" is a way to get around the speed of light -- what happens to the people/planets aka "stuff" in the area that is being warped/folded. Would someone be aware that their part of space/time is being manipulated?

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:24 PM

Originally posted by consolution
reply to post by JustJoe

I liked te presentation in principle but was a little surprised that this paragraph

Among the many things Dr Peterson spoke about at length was his strong, informed belief that there will be a melt-down of the global economy - and US infrastructure - which may be almost upon us; that Obama is planning to disclose the reality of ET contact by the end of the year; and that most, but not all, of the ET visitors are friendly.

was published

4 September 2009

Or does that have something to do with the timelines?

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:25 PM

Originally posted by fourthmeal

Originally posted by Blarneystoner object's mass increases as it accelerates. As it approaches the speed of light, it's mass becomes infinite and therefore impossible to provide enough fuel for such a propulsion system.

A photon travels at the speed of light.

A photon has mass.

Go figure.

If it has mass, how much mass does it have?

Except in some approximate pure-math, theoretical realms, Photons are mass-less.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:28 PM
I don't "get it" though...

Let's say someone wants to go from A to B

I am in the middle between A and B...

Would I notice that someone has folded space?

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:31 PM
Inside space, outside space, isn't this is how the TR3B is supposed to work, (the big bubble) and another thread today about a current anecdotal sighting matching the requirements of how the TR3B behaves, using that dodgy 'French' TR3B video sighting from back a bit. ISAR!

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:38 PM
All I have to say is wow!

I have had dreams about the sun "poping" into a diff kind of sun, and in turn changing earth since I was around 15.

...just wow, an also

4th density HERE WE COME!!!!!!
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Well at least those of us that don't hide undergound and eventually turn into the greys, and then time travel back to the 50s to try and stop it all from happening.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:46 PM
Im not sure what he is saying about Us moving into the 4th density is he saying we will have to die to move foward and im getting mixed signals will we survive the sun change or die? anyone else getting mixed signals from these papers?

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:26 PM
If we look at the equation E=Mc^2, we are able to accelerate at the speed of light if we are willing to transfer our mass to energy. With our current technology this would end quite messy with processes like annihilation, but theoretically possible if all of the physical properties could be accounted and managed.

As for light itself, I see it operates similar to sound, but instead of atoms and molecules transferring the energy as we get with sound, it is the electrons transferring the energy with light. This approach does help account for the wave / partial duality of light and accounts for why a photon has no mass.

As for how a FTL drive would work, it would have to be on some principle other than electromagnetism if it is to break this barrier. Gravity waves might be a possibility or some other sub atomic interaction on a deeper physical level, like quantum entanglement.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:42 PM

Originally posted by consolution
He claims that faster-than-light propulsion system have been developed or in use in the Phoenix III/Montauk project. Is that a reasonable thing to say and if so how would these propulsion system work in theory?

The idea isn't that you're somehow moving through spacetime. The idea is that you become in the place and time where you want to go. You start in one reality, and then you shift and inhabit another reality. And what that essentially requires is a way for you to amplify your perceptions, not increase your speed (and therefore your mass). Because where and when you are is a kind of self-reflective definition and creation of reality -- like two mirrors facing each other. One system (machine) reads and amplifies what you perceive. Another reads and amplifies what other people are perceiving. Then your system modifies what you're perceiving to match what is being read in the other system. The good thing is that it doesn't require you to harness the power of a black hole to make it happen. Just a few tweaks to your own immediate internal and external situation. The bad thing is there is a lot of inherent quantum fuzziness and chaos involved, and the reality you go to in an different place and time may not be what you expect. History is inaccurate memories distorted by politics. So you need to have a relatively flexible notion of what reality is, or it could actually create a psychotic break, and returning to your own normal place in space and time (if you wanted to) could become very problematic.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:54 PM
Time is just a man made concept related to the revolution of the earth around the sun.

You can't "access" it, it is not a thing, it is a concept.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:55 PM

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I don't "get it" though...
Let's say someone wants to go from A to B
I am in the middle between A and B...
Would I notice that someone has folded space?

Of course. The whole notion is ridiculous. What folds space? Mass. What is somebody going to do? Create a kind of super-mass between the points they want to go to? Phantom mass? And how much power would that take to first create the phantom mass, and then avoid getting sucked down into the fold?

No matter what you do, you're still going to have to figure out a way to "jump" out of normal spacetime from one point to another. And then we're back to shifting out of one dimensional reality construct and into another.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:03 PM
The typical government scenario in which the monkeys are running circus lends some credence. A very fascinating read. Thanks.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 08:15 PM
I read both PDFs and I got a strong sense of half truths and disinfo.

I know of one other factor in the Energy balance of our solar system and this paper didn't even touch it, therefore in my mind this Daniel is either a paid disinfo guy or being slipped some juicy info that he thinks 'I'll get this out' but what he doesn't know is that is exactly what they wanted him to do.

Now almost everyone who reads these papers, are seeing the Emperors new clothes, you understand it or you don't.
Some of what he says is true but the trick is to find out what is, before it is too late.

Just think loving thoughts and do not give in to fear, and the science will take care of itself.
A shortcut is to believe in Revelation and the writer of Revelation.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 08:17 PM
Much enjoying thankyou , great to see pineal gland being openly regarded , lsol
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:17 PM
I think I mentioned the idea before somewhere, but I feel it relates to this topic too.

The thing with the speed of light as a constant measure... An analogy is to say that using it is like measuring a brass bar with a brass ruler, and saying the length of that brass bar is constant even as the temperature changes greatly. Except with the speed of light, it's gravity instead of temperature and time dilation instead of length. Now if somebody can interpret that the way I meant, I suspect this might be where some of the problems are.

Some other things also seem related to energy density per unit of time. So energy needed to approach the speed of light works out as an increase in mass. However if mass was to be kept constant, its also likely the time factor could be made variable to reach that same enegy density. Wouldn't this also work out to help explain relativistic time dilation? (I'm sort of curious how they'd work out if some variables and constants traded places. Instead of assuming that some things are always one way or the other.)

This also seems to present some interesting problem outside of FTL or time travel, and may present quandaries for subjects such as astrophysics. Can't date objects or events in the universe without a "universal clock" but if energy density and gravitational effects makes time progression relative and non-uniform then it might break some aspects of current models of the universe. Light years don't help much as a measure if they mean your ruler is wibbly-wobbly as the flux of the gravitational gradients they pass across. (Pardon how I said it, but it seems appropriate.) However I suspect if somebody thought to compensate for this in the right way, it might be a very good way to explain that whole "dark energy/dark matter" problem and perhaps nip it in the bud.

Or am I completely out of it considering how I abstracted some of this stuff from my limited perspective on the subject?

And on another side topic, although photons don't technically have mass, they do have quantum packets of energy and since mass and energy are technically the same - photons could be said to be a mass carrier under certain circumstances. They can impart momentum. Otherwise things like solar panels, radiant heating phenomena, chlorophyll, and optical tweesers wouldn't be able to work the way they do.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:41 PM

Originally posted by okamitengu

Originally posted by HawkeyeNation
Watch the last hour of the movie Contact...everything you need is right there.

in the first five minutes my eyes are bleeding, from jodie foster...

by that far in im retching from all the god and jesus subtext buried in the movies plot.


Lol, ya I dont care for foster to much either but overall it's a pretty good movie.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:57 PM

Originally posted by consolution
So the first statement Daniel makes that I wondered about is this in paragraph 3 of paper #1:

In order to access time , a navigation computer from a faster-than-light propulsion system was utilized to open a portal, from which a visual record could be made.

He claims that faster-than-light propulsion system have been developed or in use in the Phoenix III/Montauk project. Is that a reasonable thing to say and if so how would these propulsion system work in theory?

Well, that's an interesting question, the answer to which is complex.

Montauk was a tiny bit of a project that DID later develop FTL propulsion. Actually, Montauk was a dismal failure by a very bright guy who failed to predict the inevitable side effect of what he was trying to produce, but you gotta give him credit, he did come up with the theory. Out of the failure came the FTL thing, only a lot later after they figured out what had happened.

The rest of "Daniel's" story is pure hokum, though.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:00 PM

Originally posted by chr0naut

References to Bob Lazar, 'nuff said.

Oh, come on, now. Bob's a great guy, got a gold watch from the Agency and everything when he retired.

posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:39 PM

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by AutOmatIc

Well that was one of the parts which I really had a harder time believing. I just can't seem to understand how physics or evolution would permit some sort of sudden evolutionary shift into some sort of so called 4th density.

If the amount of energy released into our atmosphere increases to an extreme level, then perhaps we could obtain all of the energy we needed so that we would no longer need our physical, food eating, energy creating bodies anymore. Perhaps we (our conscious self), could escape our bodies and enter a new realm, or dimension of "life".

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