Coalition of support from women, minorities and the Hispanics sees Obama re-elected, page 1

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Topic started on 8-11-2012 @ 12:53 AM by ollncasino

A diverse coalition including the young, women, blacks and Hispanics saw Obama reelected. Hispanics and blacks overwhelmingly backed Obama.

While Mitt Romney’s votes came overwhelmingly from older white voters, whose share of the electorate is diminishing, Barack Obama’s triumph was fuelled by the Hispanic vote, which is growing in numbers and influence with every election.

As America’s fastest-growing demographic, it made up 10 per cent of all votes cast on Tuesday – and they backed the president in huge numbers.

Angered by the Republican candidate’s hardline stance on immigration, Hispanics supported Mr Obama by an overwhelming 70 per cent to 30 per cent margin.

Daily Mail

This graphic is interesting.

White men, whites in general, religious people, ex-military and older people were more likely to vote for Romney. Young people, black people, Hispanics, unmarried women and women in general were more likely to vote for Obama.

What isn't surprising is that the groups above which are stereotypically more conservative voted for Romney, while the groups which arguably stand to gain the most from a more liberal president, voted for one.

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reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 01:23 AM by TheOneElectric

Looks like the GOP has two choices:

1) Ease back on social conservatism, and seek a more moderate position on these issues that do not obstruct liberty for "others". This will involve an internal dialogue that will result in the painful shedding of certain aspects of the GOP community

2) Allow for the same factions that arose from the edge of the fringe to dominate the party, and thus spell the quick and unpleasant end to the Republican Party once and for all.

The reality of the situation is that option (2) will result in a sure death, and option (1) will result in temporary party destabilization and possible party death. Option (1) has to be done efficient expediency. It will not be a case of sweeping these elements under the rug, it will be a case of ousting the fringe from the party. If the GOP can accomplish this properly, and move towards the center in a social aspect...then it is possible that the party can be salvaged. However, with talks from Tea Party "patriots", I'm hearing that Romeny and the Republican establishment lost because they were not "Pure" enough. Something about Rhinos and that nonsense. Looks like option (1.5) is going to happen: A half hearted, attempted ousting resulting in a major power struggle within the party while faced with a Democratic president looking to get things accomplished. This will result in a slow death to the party, and it will be painful...it may negatively affect the US (why can't the GOP implode rather than explode? Oh, I ask this because I know the GOP isn't going to oust the fringe in a meaningful manner.)

Haha, good luck. That's a ship about to sink. The demographic, heart, and mind of the United States is moving towards equality. A lot of you were alive when Blacks were lynched in public, when Gays were brutally beaten, when Women weren't allowed to participate in certain institutions, when Hispanics were seen as a mongrel race, , when being Atheist was akin to being the devil himself, when critical thought was discouraged, and when the only people that maintained "equality" were the White male. As difficult as it is to admit it this happened, in your God Damned life times (shame), it is essential that it is understood. America is changing for the better, socially. There are many social liberals willing to be fiscally conservative, but you're going to have to be nice to them and treat them like "People".

But...let's ignore all that and pretend that the problem lies elsewhere. I don't mind seeing the GOP explode, I'll have an umbrella and a raincoat...I'll also have a box of chocolate for the new Libertarian Party on the block.

It's your choice GOP friends, either evolve with the rest of us, or become an embarrassing footnote. Your choice.

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 01:32 AM by newcovenant

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What isn't surprising is that the groups above which are stereotypically more conservative voted for Romney, while the groups which arguably stand to gain the most from a more liberal president, voted for one.

Those who voted for a focus back on the middle class rather than "what can we do for the wealthy" might also be correctly described as the bulk of the population and hence the majority of voters. I wouldn't call them those who "have the most to gain from a liberal President" as much as they are those who "will not be squeezed tighter by Corporatist agenda" or a President who favors a minority of rich over the majority of poor.

If there are austerity measures - they should be taken by the wealthy.

They can afford them. No one else can.
This might be a liberal stance but then what is the conservative stance?
Take from the poor? Have we ever been able to get blood from rocks?

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reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 01:32 AM by newcovenant

That coalition included environmentalist, gays and people who did not want to go to war. It is also a big step in the direction of alternative fuel over coal and oil. People aren't forgetting Fukushima disaster or the Gulf Oil Spill.

I essentially agree with your thread topic though....it was first time voters, students, women, blacks, Latinos and immigrants as well as gays, peace activists and environmentalists that elected Obama.

Basically I wish the rest of the GOP would realize these constituencies put Obama over the edge. It was not his ground game, attack ads or Chris Cristy's endorsement.

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reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 02:23 AM by Trustfund

Sen. Graham: I’ll “go nuts” if people say Romney “wasn’t conservative enough”

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Jonathan Martin of Politico that “if we lose this election there is only one explanation — demographics.”

“If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough I’m going to go nuts,” Graham said. “We’re not losing 95 percent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”

www.salon.com...

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 02:37 AM by Trustfund

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While the groups which arguably stand to gain the most from a more liberal president, voted for one.

Not really, a good portion of Romney's "white men/women" vote were from poor white people in the bible belt and other red states. A lot of them are on foodstamps/welfare.

Or lower middle class

Romney holds key advantages among financially struggling white voters

Asked which candidate would do more to advance their families’ economic interests, middle-class white voters who say they are struggling to maintain their financial positions chose Romney over Obama by a large margin — 58 percent to 32 percent.

www.washingtonpost.com...

You'd figure once someone disses you in a secret rich donor meeting as some 47% mooch that wants the gov to take care of them (which is factually inaccurate, on top of it all), they wouldn't vote for him.

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reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 05:03 AM by ThirdEyeofHorus

reply to post by TheOneElectric

You mean the GOP should become the Democrat Party.

Good thinking

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 05:11 AM by ThirdEyeofHorus

reply to post by newcovenant

I bet hardly any of those college kids are even thinking about Fukushima. Sorry to say, for being college, they are not thinking about anything but some liberal Utopian ideas of "tolerance". One girl even said specifically the vote for Obama was a vote for tolerance. It had practically nothing to do with Fukushima and the Obama camp never even talked about Fukushima that I remember. It was all about abortion and contraception and gay marriage. Young people may be passionate about these social issues because they have grown up with liberal ideas and programming in the schools, but they don't seem to have a clue about what is good fiscal policy. Older people have been through depressions and recessions and various bad times.
Oh yes, and a woman called in to talk radio tonight saying that she had taken a course in Women's Studies and part of the curriculum was to study Communism and the heroes of communism, Lenin and so forth. She said she didn't understand why this was included in a course of women's studies and she asked the teacher why they were teaching communism, and she said the teacher declared it wasn't communism.
I see this stuff over and over here at ATS, people denying communism is what it is, saying those of us who don't want communism that we don't know what it is and so on. The denial is just stunning.

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 06:00 AM by Kali74

Loss of the Hispanic vote is going to be the GOPs final nail in the coffin. Hispanics are typically Conservative both fiscally and somewhat socially. They were also the largest target of voter suppression, based on the paranoia that Mexican's here illegally... were voting. The image projected by the GOP was not one of protecting the integrity of our electoral process, but a witch hunt. Hispanics are also the fastest growing demographic nationwide, I can only imagine how hard it is for someone to say "I agree with you, you have my vote" ... when they're always viewed suspiciously as illegal and a threat.

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 08:01 AM by newcovenant

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by newcovenant

I bet hardly any of those college kids are even thinking about Fukushima. Sorry to say, for being college, they are not thinking about anything but some liberal Utopian ideas of "tolerance". One girl even said specifically the vote for Obama was a vote for tolerance. It had practically nothing to do with Fukushima and the Obama camp never even talked about Fukushima that I remember. It was all about abortion and contraception and gay marriage. Young people may be passionate about these social issues because they have grown up with liberal ideas and programming in the schools, but they don't seem to have a clue about what is good fiscal policy. Older people have been through depressions and recessions and various bad times.
Oh yes, and a woman called in to talk radio tonight saying that she had taken a course in Women's Studies and part of the curriculum was to study Communism and the heroes of communism, Lenin and so forth. She said she didn't understand why this was included in a course of women's studies and she asked the teacher why they were teaching communism, and she said the teacher declared it wasn't communism.
I see this stuff over and over here at ATS, people denying communism is what it is, saying those of us who don't want communism that we don't know what it is and so on. The denial is just stunning.

College students and the educated were only one small faction that went for Obama.
Communism? That is where everyone shares the wealth and what we have is a top tier of oligarchs that hoard the wealth. You realize we have a Communist and a Socialist Party and they wouldn't have Obama or his policies?. If you want to claim something and start with being accurate so we can really ferret it out and clean up the mess we are in. Call this what it is - an Oligarchy like Mexico where the majority of wealth and assets are in the hands of a select few. Your denial and refusal to acknowledge that is rather stunning and perplexing really.

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 08:29 AM by HappyBunny

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by newcovenant

I bet hardly any of those college kids are even thinking about Fukushima. Sorry to say, for being college, they are not thinking about anything but some liberal Utopian ideas of "tolerance". One girl even said specifically the vote for Obama was a vote for tolerance. It had practically nothing to do with Fukushima and the Obama camp never even talked about Fukushima that I remember. It was all about abortion and contraception and gay marriage. Young people may be passionate about these social issues because they have grown up with liberal ideas and programming in the schools, but they don't seem to have a clue about what is good fiscal policy. Older people have been through depressions and recessions and various bad times.
Oh yes, and a woman called in to talk radio tonight saying that she had taken a course in Women's Studies and part of the curriculum was to study Communism and the heroes of communism, Lenin and so forth. She said she didn't understand why this was included in a course of women's studies and she asked the teacher why they were teaching communism, and she said the teacher declared it wasn't communism.
I see this stuff over and over here at ATS, people denying communism is what it is, saying those of us who don't want communism that we don't know what it is and so on. The denial is just stunning.

College students and the educated were only one small faction that went for Obama.
Communism? That is where everyone shares the wealth and what we have is a top tier of oligarchs that hoard the wealth. You realize we have a Communist and a Socialist Party and they wouldn't have Obama or his policies?. If you want to claim something and start with being accurate so we can really ferret it out and clean up the mess we are in. Call this what it is - an Oligarchy like Mexico where the majority of wealth and assets are in the hands of a select few. Your denial and refusal to acknowledge that is rather stunning and perplexing really.

Yep. Ask the Soviet Union how oligarchy worked out for them in the end.

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 09:40 AM by Xcalibur254

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

That's not what he's saying at all. What he saying is that the GOP needs to get with the times if they wish to stay relevant. Elections are no longer entirely dependent on the straight, white, male vote. Minorities of all kinds are making up more and more of the voting population and have pretty much decided the past two presidential elections. How can the GOP hope to court these votes if at best they ignore these demographics completely and at worst treat them like second class citizens?

reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 10:00 AM by olaru12

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I doubt if the GOP will move centrist. In fact the GOP is on the verge of splitting into factions; pointing fingers at each other, blaming the other for Romneys loss.

Todays conservatism, defined by Rush Limbaugh, will never appeal to women, minorities or the educated because ideologically it wants maintain the Biblical idea that men are the masters and must be the law makers and the lawgivers; no questions, no debate, just obey your masters.

Like it or not, Rush is the voice of the GOP and conservationism. His blustery, arrogant, hatefilled, egocentric persona will
not win the Right wing any friends and will be doomed to remain losers.

Their mind set that right wing rhetoric will appeal to everyone was erroneous and lost them the election and now they are confused and fighting each other.

Even my right wing, Baptist, conservative, mother rejected the GOP this year because of the "rape issue" that so many conservative males brought up. A party that essentially wants to turn back the clock and disenfranchise women is doomed because the ladies are getting more and more involved in politics and the conservative agenda just simply doesn't appeal to them.

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reply posted on 8-11-2012 @ 04:54 PM by Indigo5

reply to post by ollncasino

The Hispanic vote

2004 56% went to the GOP
2008 43% went to the GOP
2012 30% went to the GOP

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