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Originally posted by Anundeniabletruth
First I should probably make sure that you understand where you are wrong, the money does not come from lower class families because they don't pay taxes, they get it all back at the beginning of next year. Sure, they pay consumption taxes, but everyone who consumes does. Secondly, you're correct about one thing; the rich probably aren't paying as much as the upper middle class and we should do something to change that crap. But it doesn't end there, more money goes towards supporting and bailing out the big corporations with ultra rich executives and ensures that they will be well compensated for their "hard work" than goes towards the poor in America. Why is that you people don't complain about that as much as you do about your fellow Americans, most of which do work whether you like it or not, they just aren't being paid very much for that work.
But yeah, "socialism" and "capitalism" are both old news and neither seem to work very well so maybe it's time to make something else and try it... Besides, most of you people screaming "socialist" don't even know what the hell socialism even is or you would know that it is not what we have in America and you people screaming "capitalism" don't even know what the hell capitalism is or you would know that it is not what we have in America. Stop fighting amongst each other and fight the people who put us in this mess!
The election is over and one of the two corporate servants got the spot, not a whole lot we can do about it. Can we just put the bickering behind us and stop being a bunch of school children of America's piss poor education system and act like civilized adults who actually want to make progress rather than whine about everything. Oh wait, I'm sorry, that's not the Murican way...
Originally posted by ldyserenity
If you can afford a home mortgage on bartending they are paying you way too much...in fact in this day and age I don't think I have known a singel bartender or waitress that's had a house.
Do you own the bar?
Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by Helious
Yeah I known plenty servers/bartenders in NJ they pay $2.03/hr (when I applied) and they're lucky to take $250 home at the end of the week in one of the highest priced states on the planet. That's why I was wondering My friend worked three jobs just to pay her bills which didn't include mortgage because her family gave her her home, and they pay the taxes or did that was just for her electric/phone/water garbage etc bills...I'm moving to Chicago down here in Fl it's stil 2.45 and hour for server and the tips are emaciated (also know a person who serves here). That's why I asked but two incomes helps too. I would assume.
Did you even read my side? I'm sorry, can you even read? It's okay, my father is also illiterate so I understand.
I do not appreciate being attacked on claims that I never made. I never, and please allow me to repeat myself, NEVER said that middle class families "get it all back." I said lower class, there is a difference.
I never said anything about those other taxes because I disagree with many of them but thanks for putting words in my mouth. And when did I ever say the money goes to education? That's right, if you actually read what I said you will see that I never made such claims. But since we are on the topic of education allow me to further elaborate on the claim that I did make about the subject. It is a piss poor system that was destined to fail and does little to teach problem solving skills to the majority of our society. You are proof of that, seeing how you clearly do not possess the ability to properly comprehend what you read, or you're too lazy to actually read something before complaining about it, I seem to recall a comment about laziness.
Yes, a portion of our tax money must be going towards bailing out corporations if the only money the government is supposed to have is that which it obtains via taxes. I do not recall a vote, or at least I wasn't given a chance to cast one. The government doesn't have the money to do it but that doesn't stop it from doing so. Why? Because Americans are too damn busy fighting with each other to keep their government in check and stop them from committing crimes and screwing them, it's exactly what they want and you're all dumb enough to give it to them. That money comes from all of us in one way or another.
You are a perfect example of our problem. You childishly attack me for pointing out flaws because you know them to be true. I keep trying to tell everyone this and nobody wants to listen; there is indeed a big problem and we truly need to do something to solve it but that cannot and will not be done if we cant put aside petty differences, seek true knowledge, and work together as whole that is not divided over lies they want us to believe and America keeps telling me that they like it how it is and would prefer it to be much worse by continuing to whine about it and fight amongst each other rather than acting like they have a brain in their head. Zombie apocalypse anyone?
Originally posted by Helious
Your complete lack of knowledge regarding our legal system, our tax system, our government and how it affects the majority of people in the country is offensive and shocking.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
Fallacy of accident or sweeping generalization
Fallacy of accident or sweeping generalization: a generalization that disregards exceptions. Example Argument: Cutting people is a crime. Surgeons cut people, therefore, surgeons are criminals. Problem: Cutting people is not a crime in certain situations. Argument: It is illegal for a stranger to enter someone's home uninvited. Firefighters enter people's homes uninvited, therefore firefighters are breaking the law. Problem: The exception does not break nor define the rule; a dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid (where an accountable exception is ignored).
Glittering generalities (also called glowing generalities) are emotionally appealing words so closely associated with highly-valued concepts and beliefs that they carry conviction without supporting information or reason. Such highly-valued concepts attract general approval and acclaim. Their appeal is to emotions such as love of country and home, and desire for peace, freedom, glory, and honor. They ask for approval without examination of the reason. They are typically used by politicians and propagandists.
Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by Northwarden
OH! A random Wikipedia hero who would rather provide links to useless information than offer up some meat off his own bone for fear of being exposed because linking to semi irrelevant information that is not his own is how he handles internet forums!edit on 8-11-2012 by Helious because: (no reason given)
The relationship between the sudden but substantial growth in containment justified through the rhetoric of social dishonor and emergence of workfare as a condition of federal subsidy represents an intra-State struggle over its basic social function. Simply asked, what is the role of the State? And further, what ought to be the role of the State? (Should the role of the State, as neoliberals contend, be limited to safeguarding the so-called “free market” and protecting contracts???) The double criminalization of poverty marked by 1) reducing public aid to low income people of color (disproportionately) and 2) locking them up (disproportionately) for being poor is evidence that the State is trying to re-architecting itself on our watch. Further, the double criminalization of poverty serves an important ideological function in that it allows the corporate class to attribute widespread unemployment and poverty to personal moral depravity instead of material deprivation. The poor are not depraved; they’re deprived of the basic social resources to secure a dignified standard of living. In the end, the survival of any “criminal State” hinges on its ability to individualize criminality so as to divert attention from its complicitous role in its production.