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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by Kang69
 


Dude, I was hoping that this thread was about something more important than just another Ron Paul butthurt.


1. Ron Paul wanted to end the central bank of the US.
2. Every president that has been assassinated has tried, or temporarily ended the fractional reserve banking scam.
3. Mitt nor Obama have never uttered Banking, Fractional Reserve, Economic Reform, or Federal Reserve. They will never tell the truth about the economy.

4. Last president to pay off the debt was Jackson, despite 2 failed assassination attempts. Our country prospered for over 70 years. Then we instituted a usurping economic model, shortly after the secession of DC.

DC is merely a crown colony and history has been manipulated to provide a facade of American independence. It's really just a sad joke and everyone is in a case of denial.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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and this isn't a resuming theme throughout the centuries, of a singular bloodline. This is a common exploit in the freemarket capitalist system. Governments are still bound by economic policy, and if they get outplayed and outmatched, then they're subservient to those with the greatest finances.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by carl6405
Obama supporters hate the filthy rich, the corporations in America, capitalism..... guess what... you mean the same group that supply the jobs in this country.

I think the left has a very sinister agenda and that is the destruction of America as it has been known for, for over 200 years. America was known as the land of the free, the place for people to start a new life, a place to start a business, for entrepreneurs, to be someone that gives back to society. Now... we are on the fast track to socialism.


This entire thread, the very outspoken hate etc. is embarrassing to read. I feel like surrounded by robots repeating the very same thing over and over.

The idea that "the left" wants the destruction of America is simply...retarded. Making it sound as if "the left" would be a danger to freedom, entrepreneurs etc. is nothing but the purest fear-mongering.

A land is "free" NOT because it adheres to principles..but when it MANAGES it that people of all kinds can indeed live free, without worries about the most essential things in life.

Unemployed or simply "the poor" who worry about food, rent etc. are NOT FREE.
If you can only make bare ends paying off your credit cards each month, you are NOT FREE.
If you cannot afford to get sick since otherwise bankruptcy would destroy your family, you are NOT FREE.


The "socialism" or worse "marxism" /capitalism comparison is already so old...but obviously still majorly popular to conveniently spout out with MOST Republicans.

Here a clarification: True communist or marxist countries, say former communist countries or still existing communist countries like China *ARE NOT FREE*. We do not even have to debate this. Yes, there were (probably still are) socialist countries where people ARE NOT FREE. No reason to deny this either.

But there are plenty of examples where I'd say the people are much more free than people in the US, and this includes countries which (taken your standard) would be "socialist".

Those are countries where people get free healthcare. Countries where people do NOT have to worry about unemployment or what happens SHOULD they get unemployed. Countries where it is unthinkable that someone even lives and works while NOT having health insurance.

I am sorry, when I'd have to define what "FREE" means, I would choose those countries where people live happily without all those problems - while many people in the States *literally* have to wonder how they can survive over the next week. So..tell me..who is really free?

The goal is not the destruction of America, but trying to find solutions for the problems it has!
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Internet access is widely available. Newspapers in libraries. There are any number of ways to inform yourself of the choices out there.

One needn't rely solely on TV, or radio. Yes, you have to look for it, but it's out there.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Please explain that one to me... though I'm fairly certain I know of what your speaking of.

I'm genuinely interested, so don't be shy. I'm fairly certain we'll disagree, but won't know until we talk.

So, please?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by carl6405
Obama supporters hate the filthy rich, the corporations in America, capitalism..... guess what... you mean the same group that supply the jobs in this country.

I think the left has a very sinister agenda and that is the destruction of America as it has been known for, for over 200 years. America was known as the land of the free, the place for people to start a new life, a place to start a business, for entrepreneurs, to be someone that gives back to society. Now... we are on the fast track to socialism.


This entire thread, the very outspoken hate etc. is embarrassing to read. I feel like surrounded by robots repeating the very same thing over and over.

The idea that "the left" wants the destruction of America is simply...retarded. Making it sound as if "the left" would be a danger to freedom, entrepreneurs etc. is nothing but the purest fear-mongering.

A land is "free" NOT because it adheres to principles..but when it MANAGES it that people of all kinds can indeed live free, without worries about the most essential things in life.

Unemployed or simply "the poor" who worry about food, rent etc. are NOT FREE.
If you can only make bare ends paying off your credit cards each month, you are NOT FREE.
If you cannot afford to get sick since otherwise bankruptcy would destroy your family, you are NOT FREE.


The "socialism" or worse "marxism" /capitalism comparison is already so old...but obviously still majorly popular to conveniently spout out with MOST Republicans.

Here a clarification: True communist or marxist countries, say former communist countries or still existing communist countries like China *ARE NOT FREE*. We do not even have to debate this. Yes, there were (probably still are) socialist countries where people ARE NOT FREE. No reason to deny this either.

But there are plenty of examples where I'd say the people are much more free than people in the US, and this includes countries which (taken your standard) would be "socialist".

Those are countries where people get free healthcare. Countries where people do NOT have to worry about unemployment or what happens SHOULD they get unemployed. Countries where it is unthinkable that someone even lives and works while NOT having health insurance.

I am sorry, when I'd have to define what "FREE" means, I would choose those countries where people live happily without all those problems - while many people in the States *literally* have to wonder how they can survive over the next week. So..tell me..who is really free?


The terminology involved in classifying a political ideology is illogical. There's too many positions and variables for one to subject himself to. I can call myself a marxist ( which means many different things, from Engels version, to anarcho-capitalism), the whole idea of classifying an ideology in one word is insane. Instead, we should look at positions entirely and avoid titles. Politics is a universal phenomenon, and dividing people with similar values is doing harm.

Freedom is easy to define.

Freedom is the removal of interest on the money supply and the removal of opinion and indecency in regards to law.

Don't hurt anyone or steal / damage their property. The rest will eventually fall into line through technological evolution and the subsequent unemployment that is to follow.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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By the way.. I HATE POLITICS!!!!!! I always come to this site, looking for the weird crap that is going on our planet. Unfortunately, for months, this site has become more about politics and not about that weird/paranormal crap.

Now.. we're grinding axes on who is right and wrong. In my personal life, I am not a cripple or a blockhead. I have dreams to be self sufficient and do not want to have to rely on the IT job that I have. So.. I want my government to step out of the way and let me be who I can be. Unfortunately.. the Democratic party only offers social programs, that I do not need and the only way that they can offer these social programs is through the collection of TAXES.. And more TAXES. More and more taxes which are created by successful business(the very people that the Democrats hate), makes it very hard to get to that dream of being self sufficient.

Democrats
Unions (The guy that makes $80K /year to put that sticker on the sun visor. Howes that working out for the citizens of Detroit? LAst I checked, it resembles a 3rd world country. (Which... is where this country is heading under the policies of Obama.


People that rely on government hand outs... people with out a dream.
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Please.... wheres the latest paranormal stuff?
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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I agree with the OP on pretty much everything. I think our pres is a puppet for large banks and those who wish to strip the constitution to the bare bones. This thread has had quite a few mentions of freedoms, and I think this is good that at least I'm seeing that this is getting discussed.

Americans could truly benefit from taking a long hard minute taking a look at what freedoms have been compromised during both Obama and Bushes terms, and also that congress has to back it, and who are these horrible congressmen, and if Obama resigns the patriot act it says he agrees with the act, period!
I guess there's gotta be hope that some of these liberals (and conservatives) on ATS would take the time to reconsider that the 2 party game was set up like tic tac toe, it has no point other than to waste time, and it might be time to unassociate yourself from things that waste your very precious time.

Liberal and Conservative are subjective to your reality, and they really shouldnt be lines for political basis since they restrict each other. George Carlin said it best when he mentions we are all a mixture of both, and can hardly be intelligent if we have to choose one or the other.

People ask if I'm a liberal or a conservative, I respond yes



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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I understand the point you are making. Yet I think there is a history of this in the US. If anyone thinks a president is totally at fault think about obama as a representative. He acts in the interest of the money contributers. The war machine and corporate entities. There is a lot we dont know about the goings on behind the curtain.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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it was just like voting for romney. Now boenher say obamacare law of land. they all wanted as the insurance companies wanted everyone to pay them for insurance. Thats what it basically does. If you want change start shooting



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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Ok maybe romney would of been better? and not vote at all? wheres the involvement in the country then? Get over it guys, he won so dont quit your jobs or not vote to fix our problems and lets just make it work




posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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reply to post by Kang69
 


No energy to argue...

But star and flag,, when yer right yer right...



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by Kang69
reply to post by thePharaoh
 


I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not, but your logic doesn't make any sense. If anything, WW3 now has a greater chance of happening because of reelecting Obama. WW3 if we had Paul elected? No way in hell.


Iran "tried" to shoot down a drone yesterday. That was quick.

In time, they may just get better at it



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Let me re-phrase your title, for a bit more accuracy...

"If you voted for Obama or Romney..."

Yea, ATS has really let me down, in reading the political discussions...most of the people here are no different from your average 'sheep' American. The way they argue back and forth about Republicans vs. Democrats, Romney vs. Obama...well, it's sad seeing as how this is supposed to be a non-establishment sight...but I always get a good laugh out of people really thinking there's a significant difference, so there is that.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Lets see if any of your dooms day theories comes through, I really doubt it sucker. Please try to get past the skin color and maybe you will see a real human.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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I hate to bust your bubble, but WW3 isn't our biggest threat. 25 to 30 trillion in national debt is. Thay's about what it will be after Obama is done. And here's a real shocker. It wouldn't have made any difference if Romney was elected. Neither one of them has any intention of cutting the size of government. And if you're one of the ones that think raising taxes on the rich, or even the not so rich will help, it won't. Any additional revenue the IRS takes in, will get spent too.

Liberals like to remember fondly how Clinton had a surplus. Even though it wasn't his idea, is beside the point. Not one dime of the national debt was paid. It increased. The same thing will happen now after Obama, or whoever raises taxes on all of us. Not just the rich, that's just the cool aid talking. We're way beyond being able to tax our way out of this mess. It would take spending cuts, of a size that are never going to happen in this lifetime. Collapse is where we're headed. The only question is why do they want this to happen, and by they I mean those on both sides of the isle.

We're all being played against each other so we'll stay distracted from thinking about what's really going to happen.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Firewater
 


Internet access is widely available. Newspapers in libraries. There are any number of ways to inform yourself of the choices out there.

One needn't rely solely on TV, or radio. Yes, you have to look for it, but it's out there.


Yes.

It's funny that in the age of Google some people complain about having to do their own research. Heck, I can almost determine the color of my neighbor's underwear within 5 min. Not that I'd do that, but what I find on the Internet is quite remarkable. And yet some sad lazy ass is complaining about "research". If it's not spoon fed to them, it's the society's fault. Sheesh. No wonder the democracy is ailing.

I only wonder how they would feel in the early 19th century, when one had to go to town meetings and procure newspapers from different location to even learn about the existence of other candidates. My guess is that they would give up quickly and go back to hard cider.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Kang69
reply to post by newcovenant
 


I don't know why people in this thread get the Idea I voted for Romney. If I would have voted for anyone it would have been Johnson or Paul.



Did I say that? If I did, I guess I misunderstood. My bad.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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I wrote a similar post yesterday wondering when ATS had become this government loving, entitlement scrounging bastion of the Internet. This used to be a place where anti-establishment people gathered to make sense of things.

But if you think about it... ATS is a microcosm of the macrocosm and reflects what is going on in this country.
Younger people have been indoctrinated into the current big government paradigm and don't know any different.

There are probably various cross-ranges of society here at ATS who are immigrants or gay or women who feel they are not appreciated. I don't agree with these minorities but their reality is important to them.

We can't see who these people are that are infiltrating this site, and yet, they are omnipresent, just as they are in society.

Still and all, this is a conspiracy site so I'm curious about their attraction here.

I feel like we are being taken over by folks who would accept the Warren Commission Report or who believe not working is a good thing or that 9-11 was really the way the Govt said it was.

It's frustrating, just as the election was.

But I feel like this is the new paradigm. Here in the world and here at ATS.

People voted for socialism on Tuesday and so it is at ATS.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh
if you voted for obama.......then you are a star

you delayed ww3.....


peace


The OP is dealing in facts. You are dealing in speculation. Very thin speculation at that.

Now get back to your XBox and bud light pounder.





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