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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Kang69
You support NDAA, NDRP, the Extension of the patriot act, the 30,000 drones over the us by 2015, the murder of an American citizen in Yemen and the war in Afghanistan.

Is anyone else completely dumbfounded that on a "conspiracy" website, there are more Obama supporters then Ron Paul supporters? What's going on here?

If you voted for Obama, you support the destruction of the 4th amendment. I don't care if you say "I was voting for the lesser of 2 evils". If you want to purge the evil, don't vote at all! Stop playing their game!


Do you guys have any idea what is happening? Do you honestly think NDAA, NDRP, and the patriot act were made for fun? I always get the typical answer of "Well, no one is being arrested so dont worry about it."

I have a few answers to that.

First, the MSM did not cover NDAA. What makes you think MSM would cover the arrests?

Second, what makes you think arrests can't happen in the future? Are you willing to take that risk with your rights and stand by the sidelines and not say anything? Seriously?


One more thing, if you think sacrificing your rights as a citizen for National Defense is justified, your completely off your rocker. Sacrificing civil liberties for National Defense doesn't, and will never work.

Even then, if you care so much about national defense, why don't you want us to come home from Afghanistan, and get us out of 134 countries we currently have bases in?

Gee, what's going to strengthen our borders, Big Brother or actual boots on the ground?



Jesus Christ I don't know if I'm preaching to the choir, but this is just disgusting. How can you people on a f'ing "conspiracy" website willingly vote for a man that has destroyed the 4th amendment?


There is no justification for any of this. You had Ron Paul and you managed to throw him away like trash.




Congratulations Obama supporters, you support Big Brother, The war in Afghanistan, and the murder of American citizens. Let's pat ourselves on the back!


Only you can wake yourself up. No one else can do this for you.










So seeing as no candidate opposed to those things had a chance to win, it would have been better to allow Romney to be elected, so all of those things could stand PLUS the middle class would be hurt more economically PLUS an almost guarantee of a war with Iran? I don't quite understand your logic.




posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Kang69
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I really have no clue why people think I vote for Romney. Romney and Obama are virtually the same person. Anyway, I'm not "slamming beliefs" I'm simply saying if you voted for Obama, or Romney, you support the indefinite detention of US citizens. That's what I don't understand about these supporters.


So, if you vote for a guy, you automatically support all of the choices made by congress, the president, and the Supreme Court? Indefinite detention of US citizens has been the law of the land since 2001. By choosing to vote for a better option than Romney (IMO) who actually had a chance to win, you're saying I support those things?

So if Ron Paul was elected, and the FDA was disbanded, and 75% of the population was killed by a vaccine purporting to be a fool-proof cancer preventative, then Ron Paul voters would be said to support the killing of 250 million Americans, right?

The very idea that by voting for a candidate, one automatically supports 100% of that candidates decisions and actions is absolutely ludicrous. Unless Jesus Himself is the candidate, I doubt anyone will find a candidate who will be 100% without flaw.and even then, no Republican will vote for a free-Healthcare Socialist, and the atheists won't vote for Him either, so good luck to him. (and that's besides his BC issues - birth certificate, I mean)



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Let me get this straight.......Ron Paul is the solution? Are you kidding me or what


I am dumbfounded that 99% of the population keeps thinking "don't waste your vote with a third party or independent". "Don't vote because they throw away ballots. It is a waste."

Look at the results: 1.6 percent threw away their vote. The republicans are complaining that libertarians gave away the election to the democrats. A few years ago the democrats were complaining that the greens gave away the election to the republicans.

THE VOTES ARE BEING HOARDED! Let me say it again: The votes are being hoarded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What Ron Paul did manage to do is show that unless you have major campaign donators you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of EVER getting the 5% for state funding OR the 15% for the national debate. Ok?

Gary Johnson came into the scene TOO LATE to take Ron Paul's message and run with it. THE MEDIA BLACKED HIM OUT LIKE THE PLAGUE!

Vote constitution party, vote socialist party usa, vote socialist workers party, vote libertarian party, vote justice party, vote green party, vote for independants like ralph nader. Vote for who ever you want BUT PLEASE NO "I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY VOTE" stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid NONSENSE! The billionares and trillionares LOVE SHEEP. I cannot tell you how thoroughly disgusted I became this year watching people say the same stuff "democrats are lesser evil" or "republicans are lesser evil". Screw evil man! Vote for who you want! How difficult can it be.

I tried voicing my opinions on reuters and cnn and guess what? Those TURDS collect the replies they want, thus CENSORING anything anti status-quo by eliminating the rest. Thousands of replies do not make the comments section.

ATS is all we have and even that has been taken over by disinfo agents a long, long time ago. THE MEDIA MAKES OR BREAKS ALL THE CANDIDATES AND THE PARTIES!



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by jude11



How can you people on a f'ing "conspiracy" website willingly vote for a man that has destroyed the 4th amendment?


I keep asking the same question and may have to take a step back from ATS because of this very question. Suddenly, I am starting to see something more of ATS and it's not pretty.

The Obama Administration has been nothing but conspiracy from the very beginning. This man has raped and pillaged America with permission from its own citizens and now? He's free to step it up even further with permission from the people...again.

And so Many members are ok with it all...I just don't understand what happened.

I give it a few weeks for Americans to suddenly wake up one day in a cold sweat and wonder what the hell they've just done. But by then it'll be too late.

Duck & Cover


If I could give you a thousands stars for this, I would, believe me. This is why I didn't vote. Not because I don't "appreciate my rights", but BECAUSE I appreciate my rights, I didn't. I would never vote for someone who made it his or her personal mission to erode or erase my constitutional rights. Time to stand up for what we're supposed to, not be ok with the status quo because we feel we have no other choice.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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This is a madness.

Obama supporter only care about what they haven in their pockets. They don't care if they are in jail, (I believe they will be too scared or brain-dead to even think about what is going to happen).

Welcome to the Gimme and Lazy generation! Only a few have the guts and backbone to stand up to what is right. Not right politically, not what is right for self, just what is Right.

Is it right to kill?

It's never right to kill. Only the Vain, Prideful, Greedy, and Wrathful ones find it right to kill to gain what they want.

Bring it on, Armageddon! We got over 1 billion ready to be haled away, and I feel sorry for everyone of those.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by GunzCoty
I have been saying all along.
Obama is a traitor to this country (fact) and anyone who (knowingly) supports a traitor is a traitor.


I agree with you about Obama being a traitor, but then, so were both Bushes and probably several other presidents, as well as most of the Senate and a good portion of the House. To say that anyone who supported Obama is a traitor, however, is nuts.

If you had a choice to either watch your infant daughter's head torn off in front of you, or slap a puppy across the nose, and you chose to slap the puppy, are you then evil?

I swear, it's either that people don't think before they speak/write, or their parents completely failed to teach them how to reason.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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People have the wrong attitude and are screwing themselves, with the mainstream media being the main perpetrator and perpetuator of the conspiracy! Stop and ask yourself why is the media not talking about the constitution party, green party, libertarian party, or any of socialist parties????? Why are they not?

THEN you get the big picture. Brainwashed FOOLS are telling each other don't vote when that is just as bad as voting for whom you don't like. Everyone has a voice, a penis and a brain, but people do not use them often enough. It is like going to the supermarket and buying vanilla icecream instead of chocolate, when you like chocolate all along. Voting for the lesser evil isssssssss reeeettttttaaaaarrrrded!



Don't watch mainstream media at all, especially the news. Well unless something big happens and you don't have time to read the internet. Expect to get brainwashed...it really is that bad and more!



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Kang69 you are so right. I am mystified as to why the obamabots can't see him for what he is - a fraud, a socialist and a true hater of the U.S.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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You can attribute most of these issues to being the bidding of congress and your senators, or lack there of. Being as useless as it is and counter productive it is congress fault these things have come to fruition. I did not vote at all out of a protest of no confidence some times silence speaks louder then the dots on a ballot. I am sure I am not alone. How about making a thread directed at the people voting for the tool known as Mitt Romney the elitist with a $h!t eating grin?

Well wouldn't they be sheep too? Or because you do not agree with Obama's policies then anyone that votes him in are sheeple? By your logic the Ad hominem argument will lift the wool from our eyes? I have to ask why do people act like Obama had manned the controls himself behind the predator drone that killed those merkans? He simply gave the green light as wrong as it was. He did not single handed kill Bin Laden either like some may think. He is just a politician, he is not the master of our destiny, he is not our oppressor. He is not the anti christ, he is just a figure head. You should blame our entire government if you are going to point fingers. But the Face of Obama makes it simple to cast stones at making it much easier for people to demonize.

And by your logic conspiracy theorists are all suppose to rally behind Ron Paul by default



Take it from a Ron Paul guy , I don't expect everyone on ATS to jump on the Ron Paul band wagon. He has a strong following here however he is also just a politician. If he were elected I would not expect him to live up to all his plans nor would I be shocked if he fell in line with special interests or they forced his hand. The level of corruption within Washington is the problem... not one man. Anyone "almost" can be bought , if not threatened in to doing thy bidding. Do you have any idea how many times congress had shot down Obama's better plans? Some of the most benign things do not bode well with congress.

The irony is congress came together for once and voted overwhelmingly to pass the NDAA! Yes they too want to strip you of your civil liberties and they can all agree on something. Shifting blame to Obama is just part of the distraction they have designed for you. Think about it, does not matter who is POTUS it is useless without a senate and a congress that are for the people.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Atom12
Kang69 you are so right. I am mystified as to why the obamabots can't see him for what he is - a fraud, a socialist and a true hater of the U.S.


Don't kid yourself. The republicans hate america more than the democrats and only 1 percent of the rot jumped ship with the libertarians.

As for socialism? Everything is private in america, NOTHING is public. So you are absolutely wrong. You and millions of others assume a big government equates to socialism, no, it equates to big businesss, free market globalism with a rogue military industrial complex.

Socialism is not about a big government, an expensive government or anything like that. It is about a public economy that is planned from top to bottom. American companies run the government, the government does not run the multi-nationals. Listening to conservative media will make anyone dumb because repeating a lie often enough creates the perception of truth. They do this intentionally and are not punished!



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by FreedomCommander
This is a madness.

Obama supporter only care about what they haven in their pockets. They don't care if they are in jail, (I believe they will be too scared or brain-dead to even think about what is going to happen).

Welcome to the Gimme and Lazy generation! Only a few have the guts and backbone to stand up to what is



So by categorizing and stereotyping Obama supporters you expect to be taken seriously at all?


This is as dumb as the Ford vs Chevy argument

Last time i checked everyone is he or her own person with different values, wants likes and tastes. Some times they come together on something and cheer for a sports team or some times they are divided by rival teams. Some times they are given two choices , two candidates to vote for . they may not even like these two people, they might even want someone else on the ballot but they vote. By your logic over half the population that voted for Obama are self centered greedy lazy and don't care about freedom?


Ignorance is bliss
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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Unfortunately, after watching the election day unfold they way it did, I think we would still have the same garbage spewing from the White House no matter who was in there. I voted for a change again, but I have finally come to the sad conclusion there will never be a change.

All I do know is, people in the middle part of the country are becoming increasingly unsettled, and that is NOT a good thing.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by MrPlow

If being gay is a choice, than that means being straight is a choice.

Which thus follows, logically- that both gay and straight can then choose to be potentially the other.

Which means we are all exactly equivalent.

In short- according to your logic - gay is a choice, which means straight is a choice.
Both are capable of being gay or straight by choice.
That, my sir- is one of the best arguments for allowing gay people the same rights as everyone else.
Bravo...congratualtions


im saying being gay..or straight...isnt a "thing"

sex is to breed
love is love
lust is lust

no gay or straight.....

of course gays should have exactly the same rights...they are human...
i just dont think it needs extra plugging and marches and put in our faces during primetime...just because they think we need to......

if your gay ...good for you.....

but i have 1 question....since adam (or ape)...your bloodline has reached you.....if you decide by choice not to breed....then the bloodline stops with you....by choice........once again...by choice

if you want a civil relationship...go ahead....but adopting...is an issue...noone knows what long term effects it would have on a child.....to walk in on daddy and daddy one night lolol

stop the marches and march for cancer.....

peace
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Bush put in the patriot act, obama just ran with it just like romney would.

ron paul would never win and even if he did he would be stone walled by every other branch of government till he was up for re election. he would then lose because the media would say he did absolutely nothing and that everything that went wrong will fall solely on Ron paul.

your title should read. IF YOU VOTED DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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You support NDAA, NDRP, the Extension of the patriot act, the 30,000 drones over the us by 2015,and the war in Afghanistan.


I'm not saying Obama's great or anything, because I did NOT vote for him....
CONGRESS passed all of those bills....and Bush started the war.
Romney would've signed every single one of those bills, and he would've ESPECIALLY kept the war in Afghanistan going.....
Obama wants to get out by 2014. Romney said he does not. Plus we know Romney's stance on Iran.
So yes, I do agree with you that people should've just not voted period.
But Romney would NOT have done anything different at all.

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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Russia Today carries the third party debate, because only C-Span can be bothered to do so in america. Talk about a government that hates its own people, so much so, that the russian government likes america more.



Yet people here are discussing who is better/worse "democrats or republicans".


Of course the union haters and war lovers of america, want to ignore the truth and push their deranged nonsense
more and more. I can't and will never wish you good luck!



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Ron Paul is for the repeal of many civil rights. That's why I'm not voting for him. I'd like to keep the 'whites only' signs in the past.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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In the immortal words of my avatar:

“It takes a wise man to realize when he is wrong, and a noble man to admit it. I am both.”

I wish to extend my sincere and heartfelt apologies to anyone that may have been offended by my thoughtless, and indeed racist, comments in this thread. It was totally wrong for me to single out African Americans that voted for Obama. You were completely justified in taking offense to my remarks. The fact is, I feel that way about all people of all races that voted for either Obama or Romney. I humbly ask the forgiveness of those I directly insulted, and the forgiveness of the entire ATS community. I expect better quality of posts here on ATS, and I definitely expect better of myself. I hope you can find it within yourselves to forgive me, one and all.

Also, I feel I should apologize about the whole wanting the world extinct thing. The only things I want to go extinct are humans and bloodsuckers like fleas, ticks, leeches, lawyers, bankers, etc.

And if I may, I would like to offer some advice to newer members. You’ve just come home from a night of tequila double-shots. You got your butt kicked in the weekly pool tournament, but you did what you thought was a stirring karaoke rendition of Right Said Fred’s “Too Sexy”, complete with uncoordinated old man dance steps. You may think this is a good time to log on to ATS and engage in a contentious political thread. It’s not.

Now if you will all excuse me, I’ve had a splitting headache all day. I’m taking a BC powder and a nap.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kang69
. If you want to purge the evil, don't vote at all! Stop playing their game!




That will work, if there is only one voter left in America.

At least we wont be bombing Iran in January.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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I deleted my post.

I'd rather be silent than misunderstood.
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