Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by eLPresidente
Just because you hate the free market, doesn't mean it isn't morally sound.
Just because you love the free market,doesn't mean it is morally sound.
Market is a tool. It's not a gift of Gods or anything. Markets are regulated for a reason, such as they can have destructive power on the society.
They can be also tremendously useful for the society. Just like automobile. Not more, not less. If you make more of it than it is, you probably have a
fetish with it.
The difference between us is, will you force your ideology on me? Do I fall under your world of socialism? Can people voluntarily opt-out of
your system? Because people can voluntarily opt-out of mine.
Who's kidding who? How can I opt out of free-for-all capitalism?
You can't force your beliefs on me and I obviously believe that I can't for my beliefs on you-obviously since I believe in the free market and
the freedom that comes with it. And yes, I still remember the posts you made about unlimited printing of debt free currency. It is your explanation
to how free healthcare, education, and who knows what else is paid for.
I personally don't believe printing money is a good source of funding in a very long term, and I don't think anyonw would mean that.
I believe it is unsustainable
Free (or almost free) healthcare and education work well in countries like Germany, without printing too much money. There are also other countries
where it works well. And that's freedom -- being able to move from one job to another or starting up a business without worrying about losing the
medical coverage, because life can become very, very bad without access to medicine. Freedom is counting on the higher education to be there when and
only when you truly qualify, and freedom is starting your career without too much debt on your shoulders.
and that industries cannot be created artificially without market demand.
Again, talk to Germans and how they kick started the solar energy sector. Or talk to Scandinavians who work on other alternative energies. Of course
if left to YOUR devices, we'd always be in the pocket of coal and oil special interests. Screw that. That's some freedom.
Ron Paul butthurt? Good.
edit on 9-11-2012 by buddhasystem because: (no reason given)
The free market is morally sound, this is undebatable, you are free to opt-out and into it at any time.
Yes, he did say debt-free unlimited currency creation is the solution in another thread, he knows this and you weren't there.
Any country that prints money on the central banking system will eventually fail, a socialized approach isn't any better and Germany isn't an example,
they have their share of debt and fiscal troubles too as well as being surrounded by nations who are even worse off. Medical coverage is not a
right, higher education is not a right and automatic debt relief is not a right.
Everything you just talked about is immoral and INvoluntary. You cannot force others to pay for your lifestyle whether it be a greedy one or even a
Germany didn't kick start anything in green energy, they subsidized their own green energy, the market for demand is the government and that demand
can't be sustained forever, you already admitted yourself that one cannot print money forever. Funding green energy companies don't work either, some
companies might be lucky to survive and catch the coming wave but how much money must be invested and wasted to achieve that?
What happens when governments subsidize an entire industry? good lets look at corn in the U.S. heavily subsidized product = artificially cheap,
destroys the economies of third world nations because our imported corn is cheaper than their agricultural market and we made them reliant on our food
and not reliant on their own skills. Artificially cheap corn is then put in products of all types to cut costs, corn syrup, modified corn starch,
corn everything, its in 80% of all supermarket products. GMO giants like Monsanto come into power and 80% of all those corn products are GMO.
Saying this doesn't mean I hate green energy or love coal and oil, I prefer green technology, doesn't mean I'll put a gun to somebody's head, tax
their labor and force them to provide it for me and others that enjoy the green technology.
Why did you bring up Ron Paul? I thought we were talking about free markets vs UNfree and freedom vs slavery. If you want to make this personal, go
right on ahead, I won't play your games.
The free market stands strong all on its own, why? it is morally sound, there is no force and thats the difference between freedom and slavery.
Please let's not faul oil and coal domination on the free market, you even admitted it yourself in your post, you called them oil and coal INTERESTS.
The fact that they can buy their way into government and use the governments' monopoly on the use of force on Americans is what is flawed. The free
market is not the flaw like you are claiming it to be.
Once again, you cannot force somebody else to pay for your lifestyle, even if that lifestyle includes debt relief, receiving medical coverage moving
one job to another, and pursuing higher education all mandated by the government or else face the penalties of arrest, conviction, and prison.
THAT isn't freedom, THAT is slavery.
edit on 9-11-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)