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posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 04:43 AM
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I would not vote for Obama (as if the votes really matter much anyway). He is clearly a fascist, despite endless tens of millions of retards calling him a "socialist".

With that said, this site may be a conspiracy site, but it's completely overridden by fascist goose stepping psychopaths. The conspiracy part of this website has almost died out and it has turned into an extremist site for extreme hardcore right wing propaganda.

And to all this Ron Paul BS........anyone that supports him is really on the absolute edge of the fascist fringe. While I agree totally with him that countries like the US should mind their own business and should not be doing illegal wars, bombing other countries, drone attacks, and that the bankers should be stopped.........

many of his other "ideas" are beyond crazy by any moral or rational standard and go into the realm of the fantasies of a completely insane and evil individual. Ron Paul is advocating turning the United States into something like a shoot 'em up wild wild west of the late 1800s.

He is Ayn Rand on steroids.......he is too extreme even for most of the hardcore fascists of the extreme right.

Yet, this guy has some kind of celebrity worship cult hero status on this forum. There are two kinds of conspiracy sites in general.

1. Conspiracy sites that actually deal with conspiracy theories and actually analyze them, discuss them, and actually are about the truth being told. For example, sites that actually deal in the true matters of things like the JFK assassination, 9/11, Iraq WMDs, false flag attacks, secret societies, etc.

2. Then there are the "conspiracy sites" that deal in the imaginary, delusional psychotic fantasies of the extreme right wing fascists of society.

This site used to be the first kind, and probably is intended to be that, but it isn't that now. It currently is just loaded completely with tons of shills, insane extreme right wing zealots, people with evil agendas, etc. The site is clearly overrun by people that are psychopaths. That believe in endless "conspiracies" that are not true and only exist in their own minds.

Like all the people that claim the big media is "liberal" and is "biased against the right". The same big media that is wholly owned by big oil, big banks, Israeli interests, the elites, and of course the military industrial complex. The same big media that is so extreme to the right and so incredibly fascist that it would make George Orwell blush.

Yet, one could read here from a thousand different sources every day that this big media is "socialist". That Obama is a "socialist" and "Marxist" and that so is the Democrat party. The same Obama that has totally fascist principles and the dame Democrat party that is much further to the right today than Reagan was in the 80s. The same Reagan that "conservatives" worship today.......

The truth is that this site is so inundated with crazy people that it might as well be a militia owned site. Because the majority of members of it are from the Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols crowd of "American patriots". These same types, the Tea Party types, the Ron Paul supporters, etc. have many different names.

Mussolini's black shirts. The Nazi's brown shirts. Zionists. Nazis. Neocons, and so forth.

So sorry to burst your bubble OP, but Obama supporters are generally simply ignorant, uneducated, misinformed, and may indeed tend to be psychopaths and sociopaths, and a bit evil perhaps. However, bringing up Ron Paul and this being a "conspiracy site" is just a complete comedy.

The site is a bastion, a towering light beacon that is beckoning all goose stepping fascists from the USA to flock to it like the flickering light draws in moths to a bug zapper. People that are not only suffering from the same delusions and mental disorders that Obama supporters are, but people that are also in reality, totally certifiably insane - those same "conspiracy theorists" who simply believe in made up right wing propaganda, disinfo, misinfo, and those same kinds of Ron Paul supporters. People that are totally disturbed to be clinically accurate.

If you come here to expect an enlightened political discourse, you are in the wrong place. This is where the most extreme elements of society are flocking. The believers in imaginary fantasies ("conspiracy theories"), not individuals that are actually seeking out the truth of real conspiracy theories.

Of course, not everyone here is like this, I am generalizing, many members here are fantastic and are doing incredible work, but clearly the large majority of the people that post in this site now, probably at least 80% of them, are just here to spread fascist right wing propaganda, to drink the kool aide. and to attack anyone else that does not.
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posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 04:50 AM
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reply to post by Red Cloak
 


Automatic debunking of you're entire argument in ....3...2.....

Ok yes Obama is a fascist, so is Romney.

but Ron Paul!? uhh....

Anybody with with a clear head knows that Ron Paul is the farthest thing from a fascist. What a ridiculous notion!

Ron Paul a fascist!?!? are you kidding!?

He is currently one of the most famous people to be associated with the terms FREE MARKET and LAISSEZ FAIRE. He's spent his entire career fighting to keep the private from the public and vice versa.

Fascist!!?!?!?


Really !? Are you just going to sit there and make up nonsense? Your entire rant just became absolutely pointless because you couldn't put together a coherent enough argument seeing that you spoiled it yourself right from the beginning. It really is too bad because I know you put a lot of time and heart into it.


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posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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The main reason I always hear is: the lesser of two evils.

Why the hell are people still picking the shiniest turd? ESPECIALLY members od ATS whom most are quite educated. Why can people not look outside of the idiotic two party system we have ruining this country? Is it too much trouble to think for yourselves? Is it really that hard to turn off the TV, boot up the computer, and spend a few hours on the internet researching presidential candidates and see which one tickles your fancy the most. It's not that hard, yet the great citizens of our failing country can't seem to figure it out. Complacency. That's what it is. Either that or fear of change.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by Red Cloak
 


Automatic debunking of you're entire argument in ....3...2.....

Ok yes Obama is a fascist, so is Romney.

but Ron Paul!? uhh....

Anybody with with a clear head knows that Ron Paul is the farthest thing from a fascist. What a ridiculous notion!

Ron Paul a fascist!?!? are you kidding!?

He is currently one of the most famous people to be associated with the terms FREE MARKET and LAISSEZ FAIRE. He's spent his entire career fighting to keep the private from the public and vice versa.

Fascist!!?!?!?


Really !? Are you just going to sit there and make up nonsense? Your entire rant just became absolutely pointless because you couldn't put together a coherent enough argument seeing that you spoiled it yourself right from the beginning. It really is too bad because I know you put a lot of time and heart into it.


edit on 9-11-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)


Like I said, the site is overrun with extreme fascists.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by Red Cloak

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by Red Cloak
 


Automatic debunking of you're entire argument in ....3...2.....

Ok yes Obama is a fascist, so is Romney.

but Ron Paul!? uhh....

Anybody with with a clear head knows that Ron Paul is the farthest thing from a fascist. What a ridiculous notion!

Ron Paul a fascist!?!? are you kidding!?

He is currently one of the most famous people to be associated with the terms FREE MARKET and LAISSEZ FAIRE. He's spent his entire career fighting to keep the private from the public and vice versa.

Fascist!!?!?!?


Really !? Are you just going to sit there and make up nonsense? Your entire rant just became absolutely pointless because you couldn't put together a coherent enough argument seeing that you spoiled it yourself right from the beginning. It really is too bad because I know you put a lot of time and heart into it.


edit on 9-11-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)


Like I said, the site is overrun with extreme fascists.


You made a claim.

That claim was immediately opposed and debunked.

You deflect.


Typical troll behavior. Don't be mad at other people because your numerological B.S. never comes true.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by Red Cloak

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by Red Cloak
 


Automatic debunking of you're entire argument in ....3...2.....

Ok yes Obama is a fascist, so is Romney.

but Ron Paul!? uhh....

Anybody with with a clear head knows that Ron Paul is the farthest thing from a fascist. What a ridiculous notion!

Ron Paul a fascist!?!? are you kidding!?

He is currently one of the most famous people to be associated with the terms FREE MARKET and LAISSEZ FAIRE. He's spent his entire career fighting to keep the private from the public and vice versa.

Fascist!!?!?!?


Really !? Are you just going to sit there and make up nonsense? Your entire rant just became absolutely pointless because you couldn't put together a coherent enough argument seeing that you spoiled it yourself right from the beginning. It really is too bad because I know you put a lot of time and heart into it.


edit on 9-11-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)


Like I said, the site is overrun with extreme fascists.


You made a claim.

That claim was immediately opposed and debunked.

You deflect.


Typical troll behavior. Don't be mad at other people because your numerological B.S. never comes true.


I'm not drinking the Ron Paul kool aide. You are. It's that simple.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by Red Cloak

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by Red Cloak

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by Red Cloak
 


Automatic debunking of you're entire argument in ....3...2.....

Ok yes Obama is a fascist, so is Romney.

but Ron Paul!? uhh....

Anybody with with a clear head knows that Ron Paul is the farthest thing from a fascist. What a ridiculous notion!

Ron Paul a fascist!?!? are you kidding!?

He is currently one of the most famous people to be associated with the terms FREE MARKET and LAISSEZ FAIRE. He's spent his entire career fighting to keep the private from the public and vice versa.

Fascist!!?!?!?


Really !? Are you just going to sit there and make up nonsense? Your entire rant just became absolutely pointless because you couldn't put together a coherent enough argument seeing that you spoiled it yourself right from the beginning. It really is too bad because I know you put a lot of time and heart into it.


edit on 9-11-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)


Like I said, the site is overrun with extreme fascists.


You made a claim.

That claim was immediately opposed and debunked.

You deflect.


Typical troll behavior. Don't be mad at other people because your numerological B.S. never comes true.


I'm not drinking the Ron Paul kool aide. You are. It's that simple.



Let's go over the situation one more time.

You made a claim.

You were immediately opposed and debunked by me

You deflected.

You got called out by me.

You deflected again.

You trolls make it waaaayyy too easy sometimes.

I wonder what your next post will be ??? Nah, I don't think I have to wonder, it is predictable.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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We should all know by now that it doesn't even matter who the president is because they don't run the country or make the decisions in any case.

But I do agree with a member who said that there probably won't be a next election. I don't know why I feel it's true, but I just have that feeling.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by Kang69


There is no justification for any of this. You had Ron Paul and you managed to throw him away like trash.




Congratulations Obama supporters, you support Big Brother, The war in Afghanistan, and the murder of American citizens. Let's pat ourselves on the back!


Only you can wake yourself up. No one else can do this for you.










Wow man i thought more people was awake to what is going on just like you said even on a conspiracy site. but your the one that's still asleep. First of off Mr. Ron Paul endorsed Romney. Ron Paul was not even on the ballot. 2nd. They are all puppets. It's all ran from a shadow government. 3d reason you must have not been around when bush was selling all of our assets to china. Romney is shipping his own co to china right now....

Romney is just another bush. You know the guy that started the illegal war over iraq? for oil and currency? Bush was the one that first emplaced the patriot act. and you support the guy that would put more of the patriot act in place? most people know that when looking at presidents that how it mainly works is it takes 2 years to just clean up the mess from the last president and then use the remaining last 2 years to try to implement his idea's. Now believe it or not Obama has had to follow 4 years of bush 8 years of bush Jr. both bush's was after corporate power. This mess is going to take alot longer to clean up. You know Romney's favorite saying companies are people too? Where did he pick that up from ? hmm Bush! Do you really think the people of the US wants another bush in the office? and your fix is what dont vote? you talk about how bad it is on the Patriot act but then want to suggest we give up our rights to vote? and what would not voting do for us ? nothing think about it if nobody votes then it just moves and lets the government to pick. 0h yeah that made a statement by not voting. makes about as much sense as bring the jobs back to the US wile i move my corp to china. Do you even think before running your fingers on a board? or did your mom just birth you with in the past 4 years?



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot
The main reason I always hear is: the lesser of two evils.

Why the hell are people still picking the shiniest turd? ESPECIALLY members od ATS whom most are quite educated. Why can people not look outside of the idiotic two party system we have ruining this country? Is it too much trouble to think for yourselves? Is it really that hard to turn off the TV, boot up the computer, and spend a few hours on the internet researching presidential candidates and see which one tickles your fancy the most. It's not that hard, yet the great citizens of our failing country can't seem to figure it out. Complacency. That's what it is. Either that or fear of change.



There was a quiz on ATS a few months ago about which presidential candidate's policies you agreed with the most. A ton of ATSers picked either Ron Paul, Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. Those are all 3rd party candidates. I wouldn't blame the posters on ATS. Ron Paul really tried to get himself on the ballot but the GOP kept stealing his votes and shutting him out.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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FOr your edification. "Facist" and "Socialist" are not mutually exclusive terms. Seen the National Socialist Party of Germany 1926-1945.

To understand Obama's socialism, please see "Fabian Socialism."

As a fan of Saul Alinsky and a mentoree of Frank Marshal Davis, Obama is a Marxist/Leninist at heart...it is obvious if you read his books...but he as well as most of the socialists in the West have taken on the Fabian principles of incremental socialism.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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Even if what you say is true, which well it might be, Oboma is just more of the same. I don't see any difference between Oboma the Bush, except Oboma might be (is) more extreme than Bush. Everything Bush did, Oboma has also done.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by carl6405
Obama supporters hate the filthy rich, the corporations in America, capitalism..... guess what... you mean the same group that supply the jobs in this country.

I think the left has a very sinister agenda and that is the destruction of America as it has been known for, for over 200 years. America was known as the land of the free, the place for people to start a new life, a place to start a business, for entrepreneurs, to be someone that gives back to society. Now... we are on the fast track to socialism.


This entire thread, the very outspoken hate etc. is embarrassing to read. I feel like surrounded by robots repeating the very same thing over and over.

The idea that "the left" wants the destruction of America is simply...retarded. Making it sound as if "the left" would be a danger to freedom, entrepreneurs etc. is nothing but the purest fear-mongering.

A land is "free" NOT because it adheres to principles..but when it MANAGES it that people of all kinds can indeed live free, without worries about the most essential things in life.

Unemployed or simply "the poor" who worry about food, rent etc. are NOT FREE.
If you can only make bare ends paying off your credit cards each month, you are NOT FREE.
If you cannot afford to get sick since otherwise bankruptcy would destroy your family, you are NOT FREE.


The "socialism" or worse "marxism" /capitalism comparison is already so old...but obviously still majorly popular to conveniently spout out with MOST Republicans.

Here a clarification: True communist or marxist countries, say former communist countries or still existing communist countries like China *ARE NOT FREE*. We do not even have to debate this. Yes, there were (probably still are) socialist countries where people ARE NOT FREE. No reason to deny this either.

But there are plenty of examples where I'd say the people are much more free than people in the US, and this includes countries which (taken your standard) would be "socialist".

Those are countries where people get free healthcare. Countries where people do NOT have to worry about unemployment or what happens SHOULD they get unemployed. Countries where it is unthinkable that someone even lives and works while NOT having health insurance.

I am sorry, when I'd have to define what "FREE" means, I would choose those countries where people live happily without all those problems - while many people in the States *literally* have to wonder how they can survive over the next week. So..tell me..who is really free?

The goal is not the destruction of America, but trying to find solutions for the problems it has!
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If your definition of freedom is having the state take care of your needs at the expense of others, then you don't know what freedom is.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by mytheroy
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If you want to purge the evil, don't vote at all! Stop playing their game!


This breaks it down on why you should NOT vote

The Red Amendment 14th section 2

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EXACTLY!!! Obama IS NOT "My" president, he is the president of the corporation known as the "U.S." There are sooooo many court cases that state specifically that the "U.S." is in fact a corporation and that the IRS is NOT a "government" agency but the collection agency for the Federal Reserve which is neither of those things.

Not to retract from the OP but get over it, IGNORE IT and it will go away. Don't vote, it is a joke and a scam to enslave you without full disclosure. You are an elector if you have reclaimed your sovereignty, which resides NOT in the people who fill the government agencies but in the PEOPLE who inhabit the various states. WE are the authority.

Man existed long antecedent to the creation of government. That which Man created CAN NEVER have jurisdcition over the MAN.

What do you people NOT get here. Do not "under stand" me, That would be standing under me, get it, play on words and they WILL enforce the play on words. If you are confronted, EVER, by a government "agent", simply state that you do not understand them, you comprehend what they are saying but you will NEVER stand under them!!!!!!!!

Obama is a communist and he has a long history of supidity. He IS NOT my president nor the president of this NATION!!! he is the president of the corporate "U.S." not the USA!!!!!! THESE united states of America!!!!!
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posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by seagull
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Please explain that one to me... though I'm fairly certain I know of what your speaking of.

I'm genuinely interested, so don't be shy. I'm fairly certain we'll disagree, but won't know until we talk.

So, please?


It is a very big topic, but it is an extremely important one.

The law has been used as a weapon against the American people. The legislation written after the civil war, particularly the 14th amendment, was not meant to free slaves, it was crafted to enslave all Americans.

When I say the "true" United States, I mean the de jure republics that made up the Union.

When people in the United States talk about their "country," they are falsely referring to all of the collective states as a whole. Texas and Ohio are not part of the same country. Kentucky and Maine are not part of the same country.

They are individual countries. Your lawful nation is the state of your birth. That is why the states have their own state constitutions and flags.

The problem though, is that our nationality is no longer derived from our birth state. The term "Citizen of the United States" has been codified, and its definition in law is clear. If you are a "Citizen of the United States" you are a "federal citizen" who merely resides in one of the several states.

There are many key words that you need an understanding of from a law perspective to help put this into perspective. Our citizenship status is a "benefit" that we receive that puts as at a disadvantage, because of which, we know longer have "rights" we have "privileges."

I would urge you, before you write this off, to do the research to understand.

There are State Nationals who have gone through the process, in law, of correcting the loop-holes that were crafted to create the de facto empire that we support unknowingly.

This is such a big topic, and my summary has been very superficial.

There is a book that breaks it all down called The Red Amendment. I have a link for it in my signature.
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posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc
reply to post by Red Cloak
 


FOr your edification. "Facist" and "Socialist" are not mutually exclusive terms. Seen the National Socialist Party of Germany 1926-1945.

To understand Obama's socialism, please see "Fabian Socialism."

As a fan of Saul Alinsky and a mentoree of Frank Marshal Davis, Obama is a Marxist/Leninist at heart...it is obvious if you read his books...but he as well as most of the socialists in the West have taken on the Fabian principles of incremental socialism.


Obama is a fascist. He is not in any way in hell a Marxist.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by Kang69
You support NDAA, NDRP, the Extension of the patriot act, the 30,000 drones over the us by 2015, the murder of an American citizen in Yemen and the war in Afghanistan.


You state this as if it were 100% true. I state it's not.

Just voting for some one does NOT mean you support everyone they support or take every stance that they take. When you vote, you vote for who you think will do the best job for this country. With the tools they offer to bring to the table.



You can vote for some one and disagree with them.
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posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Actually,

Obama is more like a Roosevelt Progressive thought not completely , but that characterization isn't spooky enough so by all means , continue labeling him various ideologies that contradict one another because they sound so "scaywee and meenish" anything to keep the conspiracy juices flowing like a river.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by DirtyLiberalHippie

Originally posted by Kang69
You support NDAA, NDRP, the Extension of the patriot act, the 30,000 drones over the us by 2015, the murder of an American citizen in Yemen and the war in Afghanistan.


You state this as if it were 100% true. I state it's not.

Just voting for some one does NOT mean you support everyone they support or take every stance that they take. When you vote, you vote for who you think will do the best job for this country. With the tools they offer to bring to the table.



You can vote for some one and disagree with them.
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Actually, yes, when you vote for someone you are giving them your consent.

If you do not consent to those things, then it would be insane to vote for them in the first place.



posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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..and the 'stand down' order in Benghazi - was given by...not bush...guess again - start w/ an o has bam in the middle and an a at the end.
i know are straining your brain - here's a hint you voted (apparently) for the ???!





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