My Plea to the Republican Party!

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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by DarthMuerte
 


How will you guys pay your own way? The lions share of GDP is earned in the places that went blue last night.

I'm all for rugged individualism, but rugged individuals don't compete on a global scale. Coalitions do.
Let us go our own way and let us worry about it. Just remember that we will not contribute to bailing you guys out.




posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Nah, there used to be moderate republicans.



Times change, society is progressing, Republicans have to drop the social conservatism or they will go extinct. Who cares about what is "traditional"? Evolve or die out.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Take some personal responsibility, admit your side lost, then do some soul-searching for the reasons why.
That is funny coming from an obama supporter. Liberals do not believe in personal responsibility. They believe in state ownership of individual production.


You are so misguided. I don't think you even know what anyone stands for, but you know you're right and that's that. So unwilling to be reasonable and rational, and to say, "Hey, you know what, we don't agree on everything, but let's sit down and find out where we DO agree."

That's the hallmark of compromise, and it's not in your lexicon.

If you're the future of the GOP, then I guess you're going to have to learn to live with disappointment, because you'll be out of power for decades to come.


As to why the statists are winning and the individualists are losing, that is easy. Romney actually had this part right. 47% of Americans ore on some sort of government support. That means that those people believe that it is perfectly acceptable to put a gun in Peter's face and take his money in order to give it to Paul.


You are delusional if you actually believe that. You're one of the 47% who thinks he's one of the 53%.

Tell me, do you get Social Security? Medicare? The mortgage deduction? The Earned Income Credit? How about a student loan?

Then you are the 47%, and Mittwit was talking about you.

Now, you can argue with the back of my head. I refuse to talk to anyone as irrational as you obviously are.
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
That is funny coming from an obama supporter. Liberals do not believe in personal responsibility. They believe in state ownership of individual production.


What in the world? That's an awfully broad paintbrush you have there.

It's like saying all conservatives want homosexuals burned at the stake for crimes against the church. A false statement, but it sure does demonize the other side.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by BritofTexas
 


reply to post by LeatherNLace
 


As much as you folks disagree with me on some issues, it's good to see that we cn agree on this.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby.

Lobby's represent special-interest groups. Yet we are ALL special-interest groups. The purpose would be to remove the "special-interest" and just have the group. One people. Not the "99%" not the left or the right, the rich or the poor, the young or the old, white or not, but people.

People.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby would remove the influence from specific peoples over the rest of the group. We would counter the influence with common sense and a reminder to those in DC that they represent EVERYONE.



So true. Hey I like the other bunny better. This one is kinda scary.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by BritofTexas
 


reply to post by LeatherNLace
 


As much as you folks disagree with me on some issues, it's good to see that we cn agree on this.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby.

Lobby's represent special-interest groups. Yet we are ALL special-interest groups. The purpose would be to remove the "special-interest" and just have the group. One people. Not the "99%" not the left or the right, the rich or the poor, the young or the old, white or not, but people.

People.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby would remove the influence from specific peoples over the rest of the group. We would counter the influence with common sense and a reminder to those in DC that they represent EVERYONE.


That would be nice beezzer but sadly it won't be that easy. First you have to get rid of the "entitled" mentality of many in this country. From welfare abusers to many corporations.
Just too many people believe they are OWED something.
It goes back to the line in the op about the soccer game that both sides win. What happens when they (kids) get in the real world and find that everyone does not win?
I am so tired of the excuses!!!!
I have had a very hard time teaching my three boys about personal responsibility due to all of the outside influence. They are being taught through TV and school that whatever happens "it's not your fault".
If I mess up, I take responsibility and I make sure they see it. "I was wrong, I messed up".
EXAMPLE
"Son, why do you have a C- in English?"
"Dad, the teacher doesn't like me." or
"Dad, everyone in that class is doing bad" or
"Dad, Nobody told me that my I was doing that bad or I would have gotten it up."
After and hour long discussion about personal responsibility and how I want to raise REAL men who can own up to their faults........
"Dad, I am sorry. I messed up and I will do better. I was playing the x-box while I should have been studying".

It has taken a while but they are back on the right track. I can blame no one but myself for letting them go down the wrong road. It is my fault, I screwed up.
Just as We The People have screwed up. We have let our Government go for too long without taking personal responsibility. We have no one else to blame.
It starts at home beez, we get that straight and the rest will fall in line........... eventually.
Quad



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Sissel
 


My employers know that I am a Republican, they also know that I was going to vote for Johnson or Ron Paul. So I do not think I fall into the fables of Peter.

Nice analogy though.


Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.


See, this is exactly the extremism and refusal to compromise that lost you the election, and will continue to lose you elections for years to come.


You don't want compromise though. You just want Republicans to go along with Democrats. The standards you set are for one side only and you know it.

by the way, who are the so called "moderate" Republicans that are winning elections or getting what they want for compromising with Democrats? Who are the moderate Democrats?
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Sissel
 


My employers know that I am a Republican, they also know that I was going to vote for Johnson or Ron Paul. So I do not think I fall into the fables of Peter.

Nice analogy though.


Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.


See, this is exactly the extremism and refusal to compromise that lost you the election, and will continue to lose you elections for years to come.


You don't want compromise though. You just want Republicans to go along with Democrats. The standards you set are for one side only and you know it.


You're on "ignore" until you say something that actually makes sense.

Now, I'm done with you. Have a nice day.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Sissel
 


My employers know that I am a Republican, they also know that I was going to vote for Johnson or Ron Paul. So I do not think I fall into the fables of Peter.

Nice analogy though.


Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.


I think you do prove my point, as another member indicated, but you also unknowingly brought to my attention another important thing that the Republicans do not have......A SENSE OF HUMOR!

My sig does have Bush in it, but it is meant to be a humorous take on past and current goings-on.

Also, why is it that if I do not follow the mantra to the letter, I am called names? I'm a democrat, or a socialist, or whatever people decide to label me.

Why can't I be a well-rounded American that does not have to placate to the extreme?


You're none of these things. You're the typical ATS left winger who spouts all the talking points. You just claim to be a Republican while doing it.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Sissel
 


My employers know that I am a Republican, they also know that I was going to vote for Johnson or Ron Paul. So I do not think I fall into the fables of Peter.

Nice analogy though.


Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.


See, this is exactly the extremism and refusal to compromise that lost you the election, and will continue to lose you elections for years to come.


You don't want compromise though. You just want Republicans to go along with Democrats. The standards you set are for one side only and you know it.


You're on "ignore" until you say something that actually makes sense.

Now, I'm done with you. Have a nice day.



Very typical. The truth hurts, so just plug your ears and close your eyes. Dont worry, here at ATS, you'll get stars for it.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Less and less people will adhere to those extreme, conservative values. Older people and conservative people will be gone, and younger and more liberal/progressive people will grow up.

If you say this won't be the case, feel free to prove it.

Kudos for stating this list, because as a non-rep, this is exactly how I see it, this is why you lost.

But, in addition to this, you ALSO need more suitable candidates. You can still stick to traditional conservative values, but you need to "sell" them with a good candidate. Romney was NOT. Even measured on REP standards, he was an awful candidate. For me, he represented all "evil" I see in extreme conservatism. Even Bush was great compared to him


Get a charismatic personality next time, SOMEONE WITH A PLAN, someone who does not represent all NEGATIVES and out-dated values, and you might have a chance.

No liars, flip-floppers and people getting caught contradicting their own words. Why would anyone vote for such people..as head of the mightiest nation on this planet? Come on people...you're smarter than that!
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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As an ATSer once said, the republicans have left the conservative party.

During the last election, McCain was accussed of being too moderate by some, but what McCain was really was old school republican. I actually liked McCain.
Obama was elected the first time because people do not want rough and tough cowboy politics anymore.
Though it was obvious why Americans made that decision, the GOP still continued with the shoot em up politics.

Instead of taking responsibility, publicly changing their image, the only mantra was to "Get Obama" no matter how much damage, or alienation, their antics caused.


What the right can be accussed of is being the biggest groups of projectionists the world has ever seen. And trying to place all of Bush's failures on Obama.

The right and their constituants have hypocritically attacked Obama for not being able to bring us to the same standing as before in four years, though Bush spent three years completely ignoring the fact that the economy is tanking. Then they say that you can't keeping blaming Bush for the mess. But you can. Because you can't get out of a mess like that in just under four years.
Though a lot of what Obama passed fiscally was mandated by the Bush Administration. And Obama's spending is some of the most conservative in decades.
They say his fiscal policies failed, though the right has not offered any decent alternatives. They supported the stimulus under Bush, but not Obama.

The fear mongering of 911 and the Patriot Act got the right to ride into a second election with Bush (not to mention, war time presidents always get re-elected) but that train ran out of steam. So they turned the fear mongering onto Obama. Playing on socialism and any healthcare reform as the new enemy, focusing on Obama as being evil. What they forgot is that over half of the country elected Obama on the healthcare platform. And everything they attacked was an attack on the beliefs of half the country.
Just like Romney's claim about the 47% not worth worrying about, is the theme that has ran through the GOP the past four years.
There weren't too many people they didn't offend. The war on women is just the start.
The people they accussed of waiting for handouts are your elderly, veterans, and disabled.
More food stamp receipients were added under the Bush Admin then the Obama admin.
That many of the food stamp recipients are republicans as well.
The the majority of food stamp recipients live in red states.

There are the birthers who tried to say that Obama was either Muslim, or born in Kenya, or both. Yet there were no questions about Romney's father being born in Mexico.

They are STILL pandering for tax cuts to the rich, though never in history has that policy ever worked. And Bush implemented it for years, and the economy tanked.

They tried to scare people with other lies, that Obama is going to take your guns, and morons believe them. More fear mongering. Even though it takes an act of Congress, literally, to pass gun legislation, Obama has not done anything about gun control. All he has done is said that military grade weapons should be taken off the streets, and hasn't even actively pursued it. They scream about their gun rights, but then scream about pro choice.


The republican party needs to reinvent itself, stop the partisan politics, and starting offering solutions instead of insults.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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You're none of these things. You're the typical ATS left winger who spouts all the talking points. You just claim to be a Republican while doing it.



So be it PVT. I am not afraid to be called names. I've been called much worse and left-winger sounds like a pretty important "futbol" position, so who cares.

You just keep doing what you are doing and we will see how far it gets you. That exact mindset is why the Republicans got their clock cleaned yesterday.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247


You just keep doing what you are doing and we will see how far it gets you. That exact mindset is why the Republicans got their clock cleaned yesterday.


It's the same mindset Democrats and left wingers on this forum have. For whatever reason, you have a double standard. You guys want to apply all these standards to the Republicans, but turn a blind eye to the fact its going on in the other party, but without all the outrage.

It's just like the laundry list of issues you left wingers raged about under Bush, but now give Obama and Democrats a total pass on.

-Gitmo
-Wiretaps
-Patriot Act (And now the NDA)
-High gas prices (which are now part of Obama's energy policy)
-wars
-Drone strikes
-High deficits
-High unemployment
-Rendition


The list goes on and on, but the point is you are not consistent enough to take seriously. None of you are.

By the way, who said I'm a Republican or conservative? Oh that's right, you did.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. We have to have ideas.....we have to have plans.

Just running against a candidate or mindset does not invoke confidence when you have nothing to replace it with. I think that is what is most discouraging about the GOP, there are no good ideas to run with.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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You just don't get it PVT. I hate to say that, but this is not about Obama or the Democrats. This is about the Republicans...Period.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for Johnson. That may not make me a "real" Republican as another member stated, but I dare to suggest that those that voted Romney are not true conservatives.

So you can keep blaming the Left and their socialist/commie media cronies, but the fact still remains that the GOP lost....their platform is crap, and the Democrats didn't have anything to do with it.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Sen. Graham: I’ll “go nuts” if people say Romney “wasn’t conservative enough”


Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Jonathan Martin of Politico that “if we lose this election there is only one explanation — demographics.”

“If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough I’m going to go nuts,” Graham said. “We’re not losing 95 percent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”


www.salon.com...



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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I also voted for Johnson because Ron Paul bowed out. I agree that the republican platform is crap, but the democratic platform is just as bad imo. Bush had us in 2 wars, obama has expanded well beyond that. Bush did the patriot act, obama did ndaa 2012 section 1031. Bush opened gitmo, obama has made no move to close it. The list goes on and on and on. bush=obama=romney=democrats=republicans they all = statists completely at war with freedom loving individualists.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Trustfund
Sen. Graham: I’ll “go nuts” if people say Romney “wasn’t conservative enough”


Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Jonathan Martin of Politico that “if we lose this election there is only one explanation — demographics.”

“If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough I’m going to go nuts,” Graham said. “We’re not losing 95 percent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”


www.salon.com...


Hi Trust,

I hope Graham has his straitjacket and his reservation for the round room ready:


The tea party was quick to jump on the defeat.

"What we got was a weak moderate candidate, hand-picked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment wing of the Republican Party," said Jenny Beth Martin, the national coordinator of Tea Party Patriots.

The strong language served as a salvo to the GOP and a sign of the potential civil war ahead within the party.


www.cnn.com...

I almost like Graham sometimes. This is one of them.
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