My Plea to the Republican Party!

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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Ok my fellow Republicans, it’s time to sit down with a strong cup of coffee and have a chat.

I’m sure most of you know of those soccer games in which there is no score taken so the kids can feel good about themselves. Fast forward a few years later and it’s these kids that are crying on the sidelines after they lost their first real match.

That is how you are acting! I wake up this morn and turn on Fox to see the reactions…..and it’s a sobbing boo hoo fest. I l click on ATS to read up on things and it’s the same thing.

Republicans are telling me how the country has gone to crap and we are not exceptional people all because Romney was whooped in the election. One thread is asking why there are not any riots and another claiming it’s the death of capitalism, opening the door wide-open for the socialist Red’s to take over America.

The best thing we can do is pick ourselves up off the floor, dust off the defeat and work towards the next election.

But this is where it gets real important…….

If you continue to go down the same path, if you continue to alienate people with religious mantra, party rhetoric and outright propaganda, you will lose again.
If you continue to push an agenda that favors the few at the expense of the many, you will lose again.
If you continue to refuse to compromise and be open to ideologies other than your own, you will lose again.
If you don’t learn to check your religion at the door, you will lose again.
If you don’t take the time to learn the value of a diverse nation, you will lose again.

The overall point is that if you learn nothing from this defeat and continue to travel the same road that has been traveled since 2000, our party will become a relic of olden times.

Please don’t go down this road! I beg of you! Let’s work together to champion the conservative ideals that we are supposed to stand for, not the emotional zealots and bigots we have easily become.

I think it is safe to say that this is our last chance to open our party to different ideas and ideologies. Otherwise…stick a fork in it…it’s done!

How we move forward from here is up to you. There is a quote from the Lord of the Rings that fits this situation very well and sums up my thoughts on the future of the GOP.



Please do not go where I cannot follow

edit on 7-11-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)


So, basically you are asking Republicans to not be true traditional Republicans anymore. Biblical values, pro-life, sanctity of marriage are stalwart Republican platform. Asking Republicans to put these issues aside is asking them not not be true to themselves. If you give yourself the label Republican, then you should stand on the platform that it puts forth- win or lose. To Thine own Self be true! Compromising on basic principles is weak. If people do not hold those values then they will affiliate with a party that holds their values.

What you allow, you encourage.


Just a little advice from a former Republican who left in '04:

"True traditional Republicans" are not Bible-thumping nutters. There is more to being conservative than just being as extreme as the Taliban on social issues.

Methinks you need to read up on the likes of Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt. Even Ronald Reagan, who couldn't even hope to get nominated nowadays--he was far too much of as centrist as is Obama. The downfall of the GOP started with Newt's Moral Majority and accelerated with the rise of the Tea Party. If you want to have any hope of winning in '16 and beyond, you need to sideline those whackjobs and bring back the moderates. You can't keep ostracizing large segments of the population and expect to win: women, minorities, gays, etc. America is no longer a land of rich old white men with a stranglehold on voting power. You are doomed to the obscurity of the history books unless you recognize that.

It's your only hope.

The Dems have their share of loonies, too. Make no mistake about that. The difference is that the Dems marginalize them so their craziness never gets traction. That's the difference. In the GOP, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Religion has no place in politics. This is the US, not Afghanistan or Iran.

Fiscal conservatism doesn't mean you force the vast majority of Americans into poverty so a very few can line their pockets. That's an oligarchy. Ask the Soviet Union how that worked out for them.




posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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reply to post by LeatherNLace
 


As much as you folks disagree with me on some issues, it's good to see that we cn agree on this.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby.

Lobby's represent special-interest groups. Yet we are ALL special-interest groups. The purpose would be to remove the "special-interest" and just have the group. One people. Not the "99%" not the left or the right, the rich or the poor, the young or the old, white or not, but people.

People.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby would remove the influence from specific peoples over the rest of the group. We would counter the influence with common sense and a reminder to those in DC that they represent EVERYONE.




posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by micmerci
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Really? Those things that I listed are not Republican stances? So all these candidates have not been pushing pro-life, sanctity of marriage platforms? That's news to me. If you would have read my post carefully you would have seen that I did not reference a personal stance on any of these issues. I just merely stated what has been obvious for decades and that is that the Republican candidates have been pushing Judeo-Christian values forever.

So I don't think I need to take notes.


And that is why they lost. Sanctity of marriage is stupid. The marriage laws were written in the days where government wanted to reward procreation. Government needed more tax payers and more soldiers, so they rewarded pro-creating couples. These days, many people choose not to start families, birth control is common, so is adoption. There is no need for the government to endorse or reward procreation, and so there is no difference between the different kinds of couples. This was a stupid horse for the candidates to ride.

Pro-life is an AWESOME ideal! I entirely agree with it. But, as a CONSERVATIVE, I don't want some politician defining the meaning of life, or choosing which life he is going to save. If it comes down to the mother or the child, I want the doctor deciding, not the politician. If it comes down to rape or incest, I want the mother deciding not the politician. If it is used merely as a form of birth control, then it should come with major counseling, and consequences, and maybe some laws are required in that regard.

Both Democrat and Republican parties have historically endorsed the Judeo-Christian values that make sense, because those values reflect good morals, and personal responsibility, and strong economical foundations. Of course the party is based in those ideals, but it was never supposed to be Religious Zealotry as a platform! That is a recipe for failure, and that is exactly what happened.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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My employers know that I am a Republican, they also know that I was going to vote for Johnson or Ron Paul. So I do not think I fall into the fables of Peter.

Nice analogy though.


Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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As long as our mass media/press are nothing but Democrat activists, a Republican will never get elected again. They're just too powerful and able to manipulate mass amounts of people through the news and entertainment like Jon Stewart and the endless TV shows that are clearly made by left wing Democrats.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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I suggest "gridlock".
Put a halt to it all.
Let sequestration go through.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
As long as our mass media/press are nothing but Democrat activists, a Republican will never get elected again. They're just too powerful and able to manipulate mass amounts of people through the news and entertainment like Jon Stewart and the endless TV shows that are clearly made by left wing Democrats.


Instead of blaming external issues, why couldn’t the issue be internal? Perhaps the GOP has not found the right candidate to lead the party to the White House…

Step back for a moment and forget Obama and look at Romney. Is he your ideal to represent your beliefs?

I do not have the answer to this, but i would bet that quite a few Republicans would say no, he is not the best choice to represent them.

Either he did not possess the ability to communicate the party philosophy effectively to those un decided voters, or perhaps he was to inconsistent to beat out Obama
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Sissel
 


My employers know that I am a Republican, they also know that I was going to vote for Johnson or Ron Paul. So I do not think I fall into the fables of Peter.

Nice analogy though.


Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.


See, this is exactly the extremism and refusal to compromise that lost you the election, and will continue to lose you elections for years to come.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.


You do realize that you have just proved the OP's point don't you?......Don't you?



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
As long as our mass media/press are nothing but Democrat activists, a Republican will never get elected again. They're just too powerful and able to manipulate mass amounts of people through the news and entertainment like Jon Stewart and the endless TV shows that are clearly made by left wing Democrats.


Did I mention that the majority of Americans aren't conspiracy theorists?

Take some personal responsibility, admit your side lost, then do some soul-searching for the reasons why.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny

Just a little advice from a former Republican who left in '04:


There's a lot of us.


"True traditional Republicans" are not Bible-thumping nutters. There is more to being conservative than just being as extreme as the Taliban on social issues.


They just have to start making sense again - - - and get back to basics.

The GOP is being ripped apart in commentaries now - - - for being "old white guys" completely out of touch. Unfortunately - - its true.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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So, basically you are asking Republicans to not be true traditional Republicans anymore. Biblical values, pro-life, sanctity of marriage are stalwart Republican platform. Asking Republicans to put these issues aside is asking them not not be true to themselves. If you give yourself the label Republican, then you should stand on the platform that it puts forth- win or lose. To Thine own Self be true! Compromising on basic principles is weak. If people do not hold those values then they will affiliate with a party that holds their values. What you allow, you encourage.


Another member very adequately replied to this post, so I will just add a few points.

Religion and politics are a recipe for disaster. Core beliefs and morality do not come from religious belief in and of itself. I am not religious, but I do have a moral compass to guide me.

Pro-Life is a fake cause. How is it that they can defend the child-in-womb, yet they are proponents of the death penalty and war? It is hypocritical and only shows that the pro-life movement does not care about life, but the politics of abortion.

And laslty, if I have to goose-step to the tune of the Republican extreme just to call myself a Republican, then I gladly leave the party for greener pastures. I have no problem calling myself a Libertarian, Democrat or whatever. My core beliefs are still the same and I just wish the Republicans believed what they used to.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing
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I suggest "gridlock".
Put a halt to it all.
Let sequestration go through.


And you'll have 2 million people out of work...and I'll be one of them. This is exactly the kind of bull# that's NOT HELPING the country. You'd put 2 million more people into poverty or near-poverty just to prove a point.

Lovely. So much for patriotism and doing what's right for the country as a whole.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Sorry,
I'm a racist militant homophobic sexist religious nutjob. That's the label I was given by the left even though I'm pretty damn liberal in most ways. I'm only conservative fiscally.
Now that the country has another four years of this insanity to pay for you suddenly want compromise and understanding?
"We win. Now you have to like us."
Is that the message?

I think I'll invest in monkey wrenches and throw them into anything I can. That's probably the most rational response to the same people who declared that they would riot if they lost and now are demanding cooperation.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Just a little advice from a former Republican who left in '04:


There's a lot of us.


Yep there are, which should tell the GOP something--that their platform doesn't appeal to very many people.


"True traditional Republicans" are not Bible-thumping nutters. There is more to being conservative than just being as extreme as the Taliban on social issues.


They just have to start making sense again - - - and get back to basics.

Disagree, sort of. They need to get rid of the Tea Party. They'll never be credible until they do.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Just a note from Wikipedia on Republicans:

Prior to the formation of the conservative coalition, which helped realign the Democratic and Republican party ideologies in the mid-1960s, the party historically advocated classical liberalism, paleoconservatism, and progressivism.
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Sissel
 


My employers know that I am a Republican, they also know that I was going to vote for Johnson or Ron Paul. So I do not think I fall into the fables of Peter.

Nice analogy though.


Basically, you want the Republicans to become Democrats. You also believe MSM talking points about Republicans being racist and all that crap, when in reality that's political spin to deflect from real issues like our borders and racist policies like Affirmative Action.

You're no Republican. You say that over and over, yet every post of your just parrots the typical Democrat rhetoric. Even your sig is the typical left winger BS.


I think you do prove my point, as another member indicated, but you also unknowingly brought to my attention another important thing that the Republicans do not have......A SENSE OF HUMOR!

My sig does have Bush in it, but it is meant to be a humorous take on past and current goings-on.

Also, why is it that if I do not follow the mantra to the letter, I am called names? I'm a democrat, or a socialist, or whatever people decide to label me.

Why can't I be a well-rounded American that does not have to placate to the extreme?



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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How will you guys pay your own way? The lions share of GDP is earned in the places that went blue last night.

I'm all for rugged individualism, but rugged individuals don't compete on a global scale. Coalitions do.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by BritofTexas
 


reply to post by LeatherNLace
 


As much as you folks disagree with me on some issues, it's good to see that we cn agree on this.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby.

Lobby's represent special-interest groups. Yet we are ALL special-interest groups. The purpose would be to remove the "special-interest" and just have the group. One people. Not the "99%" not the left or the right, the rich or the poor, the young or the old, white or not, but people.

People.

The Anti-Lobby Lobby would remove the influence from specific peoples over the rest of the group. We would counter the influence with common sense and a reminder to those in DC that they represent EVERYONE.



wise words my friend,
its the people who make america great,
i would give my support the anti lobby lobby,
as im sure would others.

we need to put the people back into politics,

xploder



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny

Take some personal responsibility, admit your side lost, then do some soul-searching for the reasons why.
That is funny coming from an obama supporter. Liberals do not believe in personal responsibility. They believe in state ownership of individual production.

As to why the statists are winning and the individualists are losing, that is easy. Romney actually had this part right. 47% of Americans ore on some sort of government support. That means that those people believe that it is perfectly acceptable to put a gun in Peter's face and take his money in order to give it to Paul.





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