Originally posted by jr429
Originally posted by sensibleSenseless
reply to post by NavyDoc
Yes, I agree.
But if the region's cost of living is not met, you won't have surviving labour.
Hence, the spiral towards slavery... where everyone is a slave to lowering the cost of labour and materials, but not sacrificing the concept that the
price of labour is justified by the survival of the human race. Even the rich are labourers in corporations... their abilities to profit will suffer
from running a tight ship, to the point that those who historically have wealth will own the governments - and their competitiveness requirements
foisted as rules that the slaves should live by.
We can live like rats (if that is survivable) and the uber-rich are justified in tightening the noose and cheating.
The survival of the few at the expense of the many... unfair trade practices, unfair laws, unfair everything - bend over.
Your wrong. Have you ever been to China? Ever been to a poor village in China? Wages (and money) essentially boils down to what someone else is
willing to do for you. Yes their wages are low ($100/month) but so are all their costs - food, construction, etc. The only thing that isn't cheap
is energy (oil). You can get a $0.25 meal, a hotel room can be 20rmb ($3), etc. Yes the "quality" by western mass-production standards is inferior,
but it's hardly "living like rats". What's more criminal are the labor unions artificially instituting a price floor for labor so Joe, Bob, and John
can have jobs but Bill and George are S.O.L. Study some economics, it'll enlighten you.
Wage/Compensation contracts have existed from time immemorial. They are there to protect employers as well as workers. Hollywood actors and actresses
use it all the time.
What I am against is exploitation. People point to exploitation of unions - which I don't advocate. But there is exploitation by corporations as well,
which is what many are advocating should be ignored.
If you sit back and relax and don't negotiate, you will get all kinds of employers that practice unfair practices, because the chase is on for money
as opposed to keeping you alive or your health respected. Take the labour that worked in dark coal mines, and the child labour.
A lot of the Chinese workers are exploited heavily, just like you will be. Having minimum standards of employment or not allowing others to exploit
you abusively, is a great thing to have. This is about justice and fair practices. Have you seen the water these poor people are forced to live on as
a result of large multi-national waste dumping? You don't have money, you don't have a say in anything. Have your rights to have children taken away
as well. Maybe the planet's people need to die based on their ability to generate money and corruption in their favour and locked networks of
Negotiate your justice away if you please and be worth whatever one of those employers are willing to pay, even if it has no proportionality to the
product that you produce - and what that is worth in the market place. It will always be an employer's decision to abuse you as opposed to a
mutual/educated understanding of what the market can handle.
I've seen poor villages in India which are equivalents. They can get killed if they are found useless to some of the bigger concerns. They have their
rights handed to them by people who "decide" with monopoly money - the ownership of their towns are destroyed in favour of big businesses.
Study the economics of "might is right", if it will educate you then.
But of course, you will die if you don't try to match the Chinese, and keep a large number of expendable slaves on hand.
As soon as you start getting paid lower salaries to match the Chinese, real-estate will come down in price to match your ability to pay - (what with
all the bankruptcies) - and your banks will go belly up. I'm sure they're happy to force you to match Chinese pay as well.
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