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Obama Wins - Layoffs Starting

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by narwahl

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
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That's the biggest reason I think this post is just sour grapes and BS... trucking companies are always hiring, go to Craigslist or the classifieds, you'll see more ads for hiring drivers than anything else. Companies are paying $2,500 signing bonuses for new drivers. Especially with the holidays coming up, no trucking company out there is laying off drivers. The two biggest trucking companies will actually PAY you to go to school, so long as you come drive for them for 2 years afterwards.


It's a right wing, Aynn Rand creative writing theme. The "Job Creators" will go away if they disapprove of the choices of the common man. And then we see these silly stories...and lord they are stories...of how someone heard so and so's boss said they were going to lay people off because the candidate they wanted didn't get elected! That's right...in this fictional land...P&L and finance mean nothing...and then when you ask them to explain the logic...it gets crazy fast. Businesses (Both owned by Dems and Repubs) do not make decisions based on idealogical nonsense or fox news...or at least they don't survive a week if they do. That is real life.


Isn't that the thing? they always promise to go away, yet they never really do! I wish they would!
My favourite example is Zurich, Switzerland. They instituted a millionaires tax, and of course it was predicted that every millionaire would just leave, like, right now!
Zurich-Zug (Zug is the place where every multinational in the world operates a post box, because of low taxes) is a 30 minutes drive (24 minutes train ride, because swiss trains are awesome)
And guess what happened: Millionaires don't make a 30 minute move because of higher taxes!
Some bequeated stuff earlier, to get below the threshhold, but all in all revenue for zurich rose.
Oh: and both Zug and Zurich are on the shores of a lake, so it wasn't the beach front property either.


Interest rates are so low right now borrowing money for new business is practically free. Let all the right-wing business owners take thier ball and go home in a tantrum. It will be about 4 mili-seconds before new, younger start-ups step in and fill thier space doing it better and less expensively.

If GOP business owners don't want to eat thier lunch...then go ahead and leave it on the table and go home...I double-dog dare them! It's not like anyone isn't hungry. Their lunch will get eaten for them in a heartbeat. As it stands they are doing just the opposite, lobbying DC GOP for tax-breaks and subsidies to fend off the younger more innovative start-ups

Far Right busineses are all about capitalism until they lose money...then it is all about socialism!

Bailouts, Subsidies, tax breaks, lobbying !!! Privatize the profits! Socialize the losses!! I love capitalism...I am a fierce capitalist...I own 2 small businesses and that is precisely why the GOPs plutocrasey that fleeces the middle class to benefit the wealthy offends me.


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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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When you are addicted to crack the withdrawals that happen once your sober are very painful, but they go away.

All of you think we should bandaid this broken system instead of trying something new, but its no surprise because it was all of you talking who got to benefit. Please dont bother thinking about the abuse of immigrants in small business, or the oppression of the black communities and their homegrown companies due to a number of out of whack social issues. Feel the pain because this is reality, our economy is our own fault now and notthe result of republican deals or an extensive war economy. Feel the pain, because taking from others so we can prosper is not American.

Of course you could be so obsessed with the american dollar, that you hate Obama for even breathing your free air, i for one wish we would have gone through this worse in 08, because by now the worst would have been over.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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My daughter works for a major hotel chain and up to now was working five 8 hour days a week. They hired more workers and just this week changed to working them three 8 hour days a week instead. Is this a ploy to get out of offering health insurance?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Nobody should be surprised by this new Obama Wins- Layoffs Starting. Upset sure, but not

surprised after many have flat out said this is what they would do....

Thank you to all the people who didn't feel the need to vote. Some saying my vote is not going to make a difference.

Great Example of the possible outcome of doing nothing......



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by HumanoidX
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Nobody should be surprised by this new Obama Wins- Layoffs Starting. Upset sure, but not

surprised after many have flat out said this is what they would do....

Thank you to all the people who didn't feel the need to vote. Some saying my vote is not going to make a difference.

Great Example of the possible outcome of doing nothing......


People did vote. They voted Obama in. Just because you didn't get your way doesn't mean people didn't vote. And as usual, the white christians voted en mass for the republican candidate. You lost, and you should deal with it rationally, not play the blame game or come up with fictitious stories to rationalize you not getting your way.

Also, maybe if the republicans would have endorsed Ron Paul they would have won. I feel pretty confident saying they would have.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Obamacare is not for the people, it is for the medical and insurance industries. It will lower rates of insurance for everyone because it spreads the cost to the whole population. It makes people without insurance contribute, those who would get government coverage from the rule that states that the hospitals cannot turn away the sick under emergency situations. Many of these emergency situations are paid by the governments guarantee and it costs the taxpayer moocho bucks. I don't think Obamacare is right, preferring socialized medicine like Canada and many other countries have. Our care in the USA is too costly and you don't get cured when you go to the doctors. Instead you get test after test and another appointment shoved in your face. To support the current system, doctors have to prescribe tests based on what they write down as symptoms or perceive that aren't needed but can be allowed if the paperwork is right. It is not because the doctors are all greedy, it is mostly because there are a lot of paychecks counting on the doctors. We can't afford this but we can't afford to lose many medical jobs either, the medical industry is necessary for our present economic system. Bring back the factories and buy American made and this will fix itself. I have nothing against China but I have a great desire to see our country get fixed.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
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Bring back the factories and buy American made and this will fix itself. I have nothing against China but I have a great desire to see our country get fixed.


I like the sentiment but ultimately I disagree with this idea. There's a reason the manufacturing industries slowly failed, and they aren't coming back. I think it would be more beneficial to find out what we as a whole country excel at now, and get better at it. If we can support more jobs by switching to a service-based-industry more permanently, we should. We just have to be more efficient and creative with it.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by HairlessApe
I don't know why you're dancing around trying to find an excuse for bigotry. That's what it is. And no matter how many people tell you they're just for "Traditional Values, Traditional Families, or Traditional White Presidents" it doesn't change the fact that it's bigotry. At one point there were people who were just for "Traditional Gender Roles" and "Traditional Slavery" too.
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If you are talking to me I have no idea what your talking about.

In this thread the majority of people are saying the lay offs are due to Obama's re election and Obamacare, I was asking how that could be true since "universal insurance" was coming regardless of who was elected and in fact Romneycare would had cost more money ...



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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This whole political nightmare is going to destroy our country. People have to ignore these concepts thrown at us by the crazies in office, both employers and employees. This has nothing to do with healthcare, it is a power struggle which will tear apart our economy so bad it won't be able to be fixed. We got to get these crazy power hungry people out of office, there are some on both sides of congress that intimidate good congressmen to follow them. These Alpha congressmen will destroy our government and be happy. We need the majority of congressmen that are following these people's lead to start thinking rationally and do what is best for our country, not their political party. These Alpha congressmen are very powerful and intimidating. They dig up things on their own parties politicians and will try to use it on them if they do not follow them. I know people like this, I can destroy them if I want, they make a lot of mistakes. I choose to observe them instead to see their tactics. Seems like all of them use the same tactics, but that is for another thread.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Jobeycool
Layoffs would have happened no matter what.But I think it is common sense that the Obama tax raise is gonna cause a lot more layoffs people.Not that hard to figure out tax increase means more layoffs, which means more unemployment.


And why do you say that? I agree, but maybe for different reasons. I think we will see sharp increase in layoffs for a short period, like from now through the first quarter of next year, and then things will level off as companies hunker down these next four years.

People say there has been growth and some recovery, and I agree, but what most do not understand is that recovery after close to a trillion dollar stimulus should have been much greater. It should have been like gas on bed of embers, but I think we can ALL agree the stimulus was basically wasted and that blame would rest on our commander and chief.

Things go both ways...we can't blame all this on Bush and then not blame the failed attempt at recovery on Obama. Companies are planning on another 4 years of slow growth and there isn't anything political about that. They were gearing up in the event that Romney won, but since he didn't they are going back to a very conservative outlook on projections since Obama is offering nothing more than another four years of the same for the recovery while seeing some huge tax increases and expensies like Obamacare.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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thank you! my work offers health insurance i pay 15.00/wk its crappy but its something and i have no problem in them taking it out of my check..........so why everybody is upset i am unsure....i look at it this way you wouldn't drive a car without insurance why wouldn't to take the same care to yourself and not walk around without it???? who are these people whom are complaining?? Are the government sap suckers? and also i do not believe obama has ANYTHING to do with layoffs its not like he has the time to say to the big guy "Now listen we need to layoff these people so that i can shoot them in the arse with my obamacare plan and while your at it jack the gas up 45 cent im sure they will feel the pinch were the sun dont shine now!" if anything he has hurt industries by bailing companies out of there own stupidity...I respect him because he is our president i do not agree nor condone his conduct but if the american people REALLY cared they would have voted and independant in and chose the no party plan.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by ninjamikec
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scare tactics, if they do layoff people then spread the word for people not to buy their product. if i ever hear someone got layed off from a job i would never support their product ever, and i think most americans would do the same

Because all businesses should collapse rather than lay off employees in order to survive, right?

What stupidity. And you got that many stars?

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by HairlessApe
If we can support more jobs by switching to a service-based-industry more permanently, we should. We just have to be more efficient and creative with it.


I think the vast majority of service-based industry really suck for the common worker in them. The pay is about the lowest of any industry and the benefits are meager in comparison. This could be due to a much smaller profit margin, so I'm not sure, but when you look at everything outside of medical it is not a job anyone can actually support themselves on very well.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by MissSmartypants
My daughter works for a major hotel chain and up to now was working five 8 hour days a week. They hired more workers and just this week changed to working them three 8 hour days a week instead. Is this a ploy to get out of offering health insurance?


Yep... they are now not full time, so her company is not required to offer them anything....no benfits at all...

Other companies will find that paying the fines and dumping their workers on Obamacare will be cheaper in the long run for them too. We still have about 2000 pages of it still to read to find out what else does it do.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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I had heard that too...from a friend with a multi million dollar business...she said "every business owner I know, is not making a move until after the elections, but from what they have said, if Obama wins, they will begin to layoff or close down..."
This is going to be rough and seemingly continuing on the down hill slide we are currently on...
Also Koch Industries said they would be laying off if the election went this way...now we shall see...

~suthie
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by MissCoyote
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thank you! my work offers health insurance i pay 15.00/wk its crappy but its something and i have no problem in them taking it out of my check..........


I get free healthcare and it is extremely good, but I'm sure that will change soon. I think the big problem is Obama said that there are 30 million Americans who need obamacare...well we should have just focued Obamacare on them and left the other 270 million out of it. I think that is the biggest problem here. For Obama to "fix" health care for 10% of the population he dumped the whole population in the same bucket. I expect him to keep to this ideal that he can't just help those who actually NEED the help but force everyone into the same situation.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Layoffs were planned in either case. It was more a question of magnitude.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by PLASIFISK
How is Obama making businesses lay off it's employees? Where is the connection?


Oboma care



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by mrnotobc

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
How is Obama making businesses lay off it's employees? Where is the connection?


Oboma care


Who is this Oboma you speak of...?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by MissCoyote
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thank you! my work offers health insurance i pay 15.00/wk its crappy but its something and i have no problem in them taking it out of my check..........


I get free healthcare and it is extremely good, but I'm sure that will change soon. I think the big problem is Obama said that there are 30 million Americans who need obamacare...well we should have just focued Obamacare on them and left the other 270 million out of it. I think that is the biggest problem here. For Obama to "fix" health care for 10% of the population he dumped the whole population in the same bucket. I expect him to keep to this ideal that he can't just help those who actually NEED the help but force everyone into the same situation.


the biggest problem with your solution is it in no way address the underlying issues...

America has very meh healthcare and it costs way too much, which makes it a huge economic drag on the economy...

How can a system that creates endless bankruptcies and rewards private business for being less efficient, good?

Answer: it's not.



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