Dignity In Loss.

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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Don't feel a blazing anger that we lost to “them".

Rather, feel fear and sadness for the republic we cherish.

Vow not revenge, but vow to fight on in the storm.

See dignity in loss.

Teach your kids what America has always been: a place of exploration, of values, of discovery, of freedom.

We must find STRENGTH with each other. We must accept what happened and move on.

It is what it is.

The gift is this:

There is still a "we" that will always fight for the America we love and remember.




posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Unfortunately, liberalism has corrupted "We". Instead of personal responsibility and individual achievement, there is now the State and the Group. The all encompassing "We".


“The word "We" is as lime poured over men, which sets and hardens to stone, and crushes all beneath it, and that which is white and that which is black are lost equally in the grey of it. It is the word by which the depraved steal the virtue of the good, by which the weak steal the might of the strong, by which the fools steal the wisdom of the sages. What is my joy if all hands, even the unclean, can reach into it? What is my wisdom, if even the fools can dictate to me? What is my freedom, if all creatures, even the botched and impotent, are my masters? What is my life, if I am but to bow, to agree and to obey? But I am done with this creed of corruption. I am done with the monster of "We," the word of serfdom, of plunder, of misery, falsehood and shame. And now I see the face of god, and I raise this god over the earth, this god whom men have sought since men came into being, this god who will grant them joy and peace and pride. This god, this one word: "I.” ― Ayn Rand, Anthem



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Have you seen what this country has become? There is no "we" anymore. "We" have been successfully divided into two. Game over.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by MRuss
Don't feel a blazing anger that we lost to “them".

Rather, feel fear and sadness for the republic we cherish.


Hmmm, a few hours of sleep has surely changed your attitude, or wording.

Why don't you just accept it for what it is?

Same words from you, with a different twist.

If you are so saddened by the people speaking, your peers, perhaps you better get a hop on 2016, to turn things around.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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I wake up this morning with the realization that the America I was raised to know growing up in the '80's and '90's... the capitalist system championed by Ronald Reagan and such... is gone. It is a memory now.

The America I see today is a socialist nation. The people of this country crave socialism, and they have made their voice heard as witnessed last night.

I do not share their vision for the future, and I realize now that I am in the minority. I had suspected as much, but knowing it for certain now is a semi-bitter pill to swallow.

Perhaps that makes me old-fashioned and out-dated. I honestly don't know at this point.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Great comment--and what you're saying really exemplifies what a lot of us are feeling:

A lot of us are coming to terms with the fact that the America we remember is no longer. It's not really an "us" versus "them" thing, it's just a mourning for a loss of something that's hard to explain: it's intanglible.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by MRuss
Don't feel a blazing anger that we lost to “them".

Rather, feel fear and sadness for the republic we cherish.



I don't appreciate anyone instructing me what to feel, but then again I am a Democrat? Maybe that is problem?

It was a great moment for the Republic last night and until coservatives understand why, get used to dissapointment.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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Why did you read this post?

If your candidate won, why read this post, or feel that the comment was directed at you?

Some of us (I am an independent) are mourning the loss of an America that used to be. That is our right.

Move along.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by MRuss
Don't feel a blazing anger that we lost to “them".

Rather, feel fear and sadness for the republic we cherish.



I don't appreciate anyone instructing me what to feel, but then again I am a Democrat? Maybe that is problem?

It was a great moment for the Republic last night and until coservatives understand why, get used to dissapointment.


The difference is this... as a conservative, I have no expectation for you to agree with me (personal belief). To each his own, that is the basis of freedom.

Had Romney won, you would not be happy. I wouldn't expect you to. So why should you believe that 'until conservatives understand why' be an adequate response to us? Many liberals believe that it is their way or the highway when it comes to a great many matters.

In any case, congratulations. You and the majority of Americans who believe as you do won the election outright.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Dreine


The America I see today is a socialist nation. The people of this country crave socialism, and they have made their voice heard as witnessed last night.


I can only offer this bit of heartfelt advice....feed your mind and spirit with different things. Americans...Left and Right do not "crave socialism"...The President is not a socialist....America is more capitalistic by every single economic measure than it has been at any time in our history...you have been fed a story for political agenda purposes, do not let yourself be used by idealogues...change the channel.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by MRuss
Don't feel a blazing anger that we lost to “them".

Rather, feel fear and sadness for the republic we cherish.



I don't appreciate anyone instructing me what to feel, but then again I am a Democrat? Maybe that is problem?

It was a great moment for the Republic last night and until coservatives understand why, get used to dissapointment.
The reelection of bho and the continuation of his policies announced the final completion of the paradigm shift in this country. We used to be rugged individualists who took care of ourselves, our families and our neighbors. Starting with fdr and continued by almost every elected official since, the USA has now become a nation where the majority expect to be taken care of. They expect something for nothing. The very fact that they exist gives them, in their minds, the right to claim the produce of others. We now have a class of "professional voters". Those who earn their bread by voting for those who will confiscate the bread from another's mouth. By and large, they are leeches who have enabled the destruction of a formerly great nation.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Times and people change.

It is silly to think that the Republican way of governing can remain stuck in the 1900's while the world around them evolves.

I know it's tough to accept what happened in the election, but instead of sucking it up and dealing with it, why aren't people looking at WHY they lost and how the GOP can take REAL conservative ideals, not just religious zealotry and bigotry, and come back to the table with real ideas?

I hope that the GOP can see the writing on the wall. If not, they will go the way of the dodo.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by MRuss
reply to post by Indigo5
 


Why did you read this post?

If your candidate won, why read this post, or feel that the comment was directed at you?


Honest to God answer...don't laugh...I thought it was going to be an insightful and reflective OP, demonstrating the "dignity" and class I know some conservatives to be capable of. Then I opened it up to the same old nonsense about a doomed America and Socialism...



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Things change...water runs down hill...we are born, we age and we die. Time passes, one second is one second to everyone.

Change is inevitable...there is nothing anyone can do about that. What we can do is analyze the path...the cause and effect. We can use our evolved skills of critical thinking, rational thought and deductive reasoning to come to a real and logical explanation.

Kingdoms, Countries and Empires rise and fall...they have since the dawn of civilization...one constant in the universe is that everything changes...entropy effects everything.

When the world seems to be moving in a direction we disagree with, perhaps we need to ask questions. Is it them?...or is it me? Is the larger number of people wrong? Am I holding on to something I need to let go of?

I am not thrilled with how things went down, but I am not falling apart and shouting "the end of the world has come!". It's another day and another opportunity to do something good.
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Dreine
Had Romney won, you would not be happy. I wouldn't expect you to. So why should you believe that 'until conservatives understand why' be an adequate response to us?


To answer that question...I am old fashioned and overly patriotic I guess. If Romney won the election, I would ask why...because my American bretheren made that choice for a reason and that ability to choose is at the foundation of democracy. What did other Americans see that I might not have? See...I disagree with Republicans, but I do not think they are Nazi's...i know they are good people at heart and voted for what they believed best for the country...what did they see? Where-as Republicans seem wed to this idea that every Democrat and now over half the country are "Socialists"...How long can one cling to that hateful falsehood and still recognize we are one American family?



Originally posted by Dreine
Many liberals believe that it is their way or the highway when it comes to a great many matters.


In the 2010 elections the GOP loudly declared thier mandate was gridlock. To serve that failed strategy they declared the President "Socialist"...a label they chose to sell their absolutist obstructionism. "Socialist" "Starve the beast" etc. etc.

It is an ironic dishonesty, but not unusual, that right wing rhetoric of late looks to cast the other side of the aisle as uncompromising.
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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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I am a firm believer in individual freedom over group power. We are heading towards statism with all of the loss of individual freedom that implies and entails. Should I just shrug my shoulders and become a statist? I cannot. It is not in me to turn over my personal sovereignty so easily. Someone said it better than I ever could,

Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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"them" and "us" huh?

Yeah, I don't really see the dignity in that type of thinking.



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The reelection of bho and the continuation of his policies announced the final completion of the paradigm shift in this country. We used to be rugged individualists who took care of ourselves, our families and our neighbors. Starting with fdr and continued by almost every elected official since, the USA has now become a nation where the majority expect to be taken care of. They expect something for nothing. .


Attributed to Alexander Tytler in Scotland in the 1790's but no one has backed it up yet with proof so I'm not sure.

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years'

Times about up then?

edit on 7-11-2012 by khimbar because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The reelection of bho and the continuation of his policies announced the final completion of the paradigm shift in this country. We used to be rugged individualists who took care of ourselves, our families and our neighbors. Starting with fdr and continued by almost every elected official since, the USA has now become a nation where the majority expect to be taken care of. They expect something for nothing. .


Attributed to Alexander Tytler in Scotland in the 1790's but no one has backed it up yet with proof so I'm not sure.

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years'

Times about up then?

edit on 7-11-2012 by khimbar because: (no reason given)




The earliest known attribution of this quote was December 9, 1951, in what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson. The quote has not been found in Tytler's work. It has also been attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville.

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This quote sometimes appears joined with the above one, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election

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posted on Nov, 7 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The reelection of bho and the continuation of his policies announced the final completion of the paradigm shift in this country. We used to be rugged individualists who took care of ourselves, our families and our neighbors. Starting with fdr and continued by almost every elected official since, the USA has now become a nation where the majority expect to be taken care of. They expect something for nothing. .


Attributed to Alexander Tytler in Scotland in the 1790's but no one has backed it up yet with proof so I'm not sure.

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years'

Times about up then?

edit on 7-11-2012 by khimbar because: (no reason given)




The earliest known attribution of this quote was December 9, 1951, in what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson. The quote has not been found in Tytler's work. It has also been attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville.

...

This quote sometimes appears joined with the above one, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election

en.wikiquote.org...



Yes, thats why I said it's not been verified yet.





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