Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
I did not mention abortion being legal or not. I am talking about absolute truth here.
There is no such thing as an "absolute truth". Kantian Morality has been demonstrably and mathematically proven to inadequate, paradoxical, and
diametrically opposed to itself. Kantian Absolutes DO HAVE great validity when appreciated in the historical context as being a response to
misunderstood Machiavellian moral relativism. However...remove the argument from the context and try to apply Kantian Morality in a vacuum and it
quickly becomes a garbled mess.
This shouldn't be a surprise given that the world/universe which we live in is SIMULTANEOUSLY Newtonian, Relativistic, and Quantum whilst also be NONE
of the above in an exclusive manner. In short...the CONTEXT determines the morality. (Note: this is MUCH DIFFERENT than Machiavellian Moral
This is why humans have such a hard time developing a universally agreed upon standard of morality aside from (arguably) "The Golden Rule" which is
perhaps the best yard-stick that the layman can comprehend...but which is unfortunately so broadly and subjectively defined that it hasn't proven to
be ultimately successful in ending the debate on this between people/cultures/religions/ etc.
Did you not get that? I don't give a rat's patoot what people think should be legal or not. Judgement comes all the same karmically speaking. Is the
GOP evil for wanting to protect life in the womb, as one poster suggested the GOP is openly evil? I ask you, which of the two parties is the more evil
in what it supports?
And this is a prime example of where the Golden Rule breaks down in some circumstances. On the surface many would assert that if we "treated each
other as though we wish to be treated" this would imply that nobody would like to have been aborted, thus abortion is clearly immoral.
Except...that some us WOULD CHOOSE abortion over being an unwanted child. Personally, I would much rather be euthanized as an infant than be
subjected to a lifetime of the issues that plague unwanted children such as radically higher probabilities of poverty, incarceration, drug abuse,
physical abuse, emotional dislocation, being handed off to endless foster families, being raised by the system, and radically reduced educational
opportunities. Sure...there is always a POSSIBILITY that I wouldn't fall into one of these traps as an infant or small child...but there is ALSO a
possibility of winning the lottery and I don't play that game either. For me, personally, I would rather be euthanized.
Now...that being said...it is highly probable that I would CHANGE my stance on that if humanity ever started behaving like...well...HUMANS, I guess.
However, any child born today is born into a world of endemic warfare and inequality with ever-dwindling natural resources and spending every second
of it's life awash in an ocean of toxins, carcinogens, and ever-more virulent diseases where unwanted children are just as likely to be left to die
for lack of basic medical care and nutrition as they are to be adopted into families...much less LOVING families. When we can start acting like
humans and make this hell hole of a planet WORTH living in for the LEAST of us...then I would very much reconsider my stance. But until then...no so
I will never sing Hail the The Chief to such an evil person. Yes I have righteous indignation but I feel sorry for people who were duped by him a
second time, as I was never duped by him the first time.
If this is what the Democrat Party has fallen to, lying with such diabolical vengeance, I will pray every day for judgement to come.
...and that's why Obama is President. This sort of rhetoric and hyperbolic choice of vernacular carrying religious connotations such as "diabolical",
"vengeance", "evil" and "judgement" quite simply made THIS moderate right-leaning individual vote against the Republican party across the entire
ticket for the first time in my life. Way to alienate the Atheist republicans and make them run for the hills screaming "lunatics!!" the whole
way....right along with the preponderance of homosexuals, latinos, blacks, muslims, moderates, pro-choicers, women, scientists, union members, people
who understand mathematics, and everyone else the Right Wing Extremists have decided are their mortal enemies and are inherently "evil".
This should concern you because there will be even LESS angry white baby boomer males and their obedient wives in 2014 and 2016. And such a stubborn
refusal to JUST LIGHTEN UP A BIT will all but ensure that your socio-political demographic has nothing to offer for the majority of other
Enjoy the fade into irrelevance.
edit on 8-11-2012 by milominderbinder because: formatting