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DRAMATIC changes in and on the surface of the Earth have increased the reflective properties of the surface to such an extent it has changed the appearance of the Moon from an Earth based observers perspective. Nothing like this has happened on this scale in recorded history.
Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
Not what I would consider the best application of critical thinking.
Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by Trublbrwing
You should not make ANY conclusions about the Earth's climate based on Earthshine, that is ridiculous, and is widely realized by NASA and several others as having been debunked.
CERES data is the only accepted measurements for global albedo.
You are using something that is simple, such as the reflection of the moon, and an old paper that has been long debunked, to make a case for climate change. The actual data shows a DECREASE in albedo over the last few years, which is completely contradictory to what you are saying "has never happened in recorded history", That's a bold claim, do you have proof of this? Can you also show anything conclusive about albedo in relation to climate change?
Here's real data for those who are interested:
Source
So your thread is all because you thought something was wrong with the moon (just because you didn't understand it or never observed it) and now you understand it enough to say that it shows dramatic changes to the climate here on Earth?
Not what I would consider the best application of critical thinking.
~Namasteedit on 6-11-2012 by SonOfTheLawOfOne because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dainoyfb
Since there are observatories that study and record earthshine is there not data showing that earthshine is happening at unprecedented levels and frequency or is this a personal observation of yours? I find this data conspicuously missing from your post.edit on 6-11-2012 by dainoyfb because: of typos.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Trublbrwing
DRAMATIC changes in and on the surface of the Earth have increased the reflective properties of the surface to such an extent it has changed the appearance of the Moon from an Earth based observers perspective. Nothing like this has happened on this scale in recorded history.
No. The appearance of the Moon has not changed, not that you would notice with the naked eye anyway and changes to Earth's albedo certainly do not cause a "sideways" Moon.
Originally posted by FireballStorm
Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
Not what I would consider the best application of critical thinking.
Perhaps not, but at least he has taken those first few steps that so many others on ATS have not, even if there was a stumble or two.
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by Phage
Unless he's a few billion years old.
Trublbrwing, is there a published source for your conclusions, or did you read the blog you linked to and detect fear in their writing?
Originally posted by MysterX
I'm willing to bet the Earthshine data has been steadily increasing since the 1990's.
That's round about when major nations got together and decided to spray and blanket as much of the atmosphere as possible with essentially artificial cloud layers, to create a sunlight reflector to reduce 'global warming'.
With increased cloud cover, you get increased reflectivity of the sunlight striking the surface of the Earth...more reflected sunlight means more Earthsine on the moon.
Chem-trails ladies and gentlemen, geo-engineering chem-trails.edit on 7-11-2012 by MysterX because: (no reason given)
That is what I meant by "sideways". You seem to think that there is something unsual about the bright part of the Moon being on the "bottom".
Changes in Earth's albedo are increasing the level of reflected solar energy aka Earthshine, this does not cause a "sideways" Moon (whatever that is) it causes the Moon to appear lit from the bottom.