The election, exit polls, updates and returns

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Yes, I think it's all been planned by the globalists, just like the economic collapse has been planned even for decades. Someone said it's electronic vote tampering. We were getting reports of early voting where the machines were throwing the votes to Obama. Were those the Spanish machines Soros bought and brought here?
There were supposedly people observing the voting polls(UN) but what good is that if voting machines are rigged by the mega billionaire socialist Soros?

Originally posted by Trustfund
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

lol. Mitt Romney isn't a capitalist, he is a corporate leach. A financial parasite.

edit on 7-11-2012 by Trustfund because: (no reason given)

And what is Obama, giving the People's money to his corporate and Union buddies?

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

If you didn't know that, you aren't paying attention to the issue.

No, that's you. Generally liberals protest the total privatization of the education system. This also has to do with the demonizaton of unions.

www.salon.com...

Massive protests against vouchers, so that parents can send their children to private schools, and not the government brainwashing centers they call public schools.

Vouchers are nothing but corporate welfare. Private or public schools are both brainwashing centers. Protesting vouchers is not equivalent to protesting private schooling.

College professors are liberal because they are mostly communist, socialist, fascist types, that are there to mold the next generation of sheep.

Yeah..never once has a professor tried to convert me or anyone I know. A young adult is mentally less mold-able anyway, you need to start that with the younger children for it to really work. And they sure hit you with the capitalist and nationalist stick starting in kindergarten.

They are no more educated than conservatives.

But they are, they actually know what communism and socialism means, most conservatives (that I have encountered) do not.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

Yes, I think it's all been planned by the globalists, just like the economic collapse has been planned even for decades. Someone said it's electronic vote tampering. We were getting reports of early voting where the machines were throwing the votes to Obama. Were those the Spanish machines Soros bought and brought here?
There were supposedly people observing the voting polls(UN) but what good is that if voting machines are rigged by the mega billionaire socialist Soros?

Well, of course, it is, but how many O supporters will admit to that, even if they post about global conspiracies? There are players on both sides, and some people realize this, but some only want to name those on the other side.

Now, I do think it's possible for someone to win, that they didn't want, but I think when that happens, they do things to sabotage that person, or that person ends up killed, or something else happens.

I still can't understand why people would support someone (and cheer when they win) that states he's against the Constitution.

Originally posted by Trustfund
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

If you didn't know that, you aren't paying attention to the issue.

No, that's you. Generally liberals protest the total privatization of the education system. This also has to do with the demonizaton of unions.

www.salon.com...

Massive protests against vouchers, so that parents can send their children to private schools, and not the government brainwashing centers they call public schools.

Vouchers are nothing but corporate welfare. Private or public schools are both brainwashing centers. Protesting vouchers is not equivalent to protesting private schooling.

College professors are liberal because they are mostly communist, socialist, fascist types, that are there to mold the next generation of sheep.

Yeah..never once has a professor tried to convert me or anyone I know. A young adult is mentally less mold-able anyway, you need to start that with the younger children for it to really work. And they sure hit you with the capitalist and nationalist stick starting in kindergarten.

They are no more educated than conservatives.

But they are, they actually know what communism and socialism means, most conservatives (that I have encountered) do not.

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Liberals protesting against anything that does away with unions is the same as liberals protesting a loss of control over everyone else. The unions are one of the biggest reasons that our education system is such a failure.

Public education is welfare. Vouchers even things out a bit, by allowing parents to NOT send their children to the public schools, and to choose a school themselves.

There are plenty of college professors that are quite liberal, and they not only teach those ideas to their students; they often punish students with opposing ideas. No, not all of them. Had a class with a great professor, very sharp fellow, that knew my opinions, and I his, and I made one of the best grades in the class. Most, though, aren't like that one. I KNOW several professors, right now, and they spread their ideas around everywhere.

I don't know any conservatives that don't know what communism and socialism are. I also know that most liberals don't want to admit how many of their members are members of the communist party. It's all the same game, in the end. The state gets to decide what happens to what you earn. Spread the wealth. Both are about taking from those that work, and giving to those that do not, or, mostly, to those in charge.

As for anyone "sticking it to" the children early, better read up on that. It's the liberals that are teaching the children that they aren't allowed to have a different opinion. Teachers in grade schools belittling kids that aren't liberal, or express support for a conservative.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

I don't know any conservatives that don't know what communism and socialism are. I also know that most liberals don't want to admit how many of their members are members of the communist party. It's all the same game, in the end. The state gets to decide what happens to what you earn. Spread the wealth. Both are about taking from those that work, and giving to those that do not, or, mostly, to those in charge.

Amazing post, all of it, even the stuff I didn't quote in my reply. I agree with everything you stated.

Frog boiling in water.

And all those college kids who can't find jobs or can only work a burger flipping job and can't pay back their students just voted AGAIN for the same guy who made it all worse over the last 4 years. But it won't be seen until retrospect.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Yep lets blame the unions.

And not the fact that we spend gazillions more on wars and "defense".

Our budget is the reason for poor education. I have to send paper towels and cleaning supplies with my kids every year, and the last time I walked past the teachers cars in theparking lots they we're not Bentley's or Ferraris.

Quit pointing the finger. It is what the problem is in the first place. Politicians are unable to "man up" and admit when something doesn't work, they point the finger.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

Liberals protesting against anything that does away with unions is the same as liberals protesting a loss of control over everyone else. The unions are one of the biggest reasons that our education system is such a failure.

Unions have nothing to do with quality of education. Teachers can be easily fired, I don't really understand where that myth stems from. Northern European countries all have unionized teachers and have some of the highest quality of education in the world.

Most US schools aren't bad if you live in the suburbs, it is the city kids that are really suffering. And that is due to lack of funding.

Public education is welfare. Vouchers even things out a bit, by allowing parents to NOT send their children to the public schools, and to choose a school themselves.

No, public education is called civilization.

I don't know any conservatives that don't know what communism and socialism are. I also know that most liberals don't want to admit how many of their members are members of the communist party.

Well why thank you for proving my point. Modern liberalism is capitalism, it is a right to the center ideology. It is nothing but capitalism with a social safety net.

It's all the same game, in the end. The state gets to decide what happens to what you earn. Spread the wealth. Both are about taking from those that work, and giving to those that do not, or, mostly, to those in charge.

That sounds just like capitalism to me. If speaking on free market capitalism change the word state to private industry.

Teachers in grade schools belittling kids that aren't liberal, or express support for a conservative.

Nah, I had some crazy conservative teachers. One yelled at me because I did not want to pledge allegiance to the state on a daily basis every morning. I was never one for North Korean type nationalist rituals being forced upon me.

But it goes both ways. Any teacher that takes a little kids political opinion to heart is an idiot anyway.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

And all those college kids who can't find jobs or can only work a burger flipping job and can't pay back their students just voted AGAIN for the same guy who made it all worse over the last 4 years. But it won't be seen until retrospect.

Obama and democrats actually reformed federal aid to students making their interest rates lower. Republicans were trying to raise it.

He actually helped college kids in debt.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Trustfund
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

lol. Mitt Romney isn't a capitalist, he is a corporate leach. A financial parasite.

edit on 7-11-2012 by Trustfund because: (no reason given)

And what is Obama, giving the People's money to his corporate and Union buddies?

Well Bush started it, Obama inherited it, Congress passed it. Romney profited from it.

But he'd be a public parasite.

Originally posted by Trustfund
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

And all those college kids who can't find jobs or can only work a burger flipping job and can't pay back their students just voted AGAIN for the same guy who made it all worse over the last 4 years. But it won't be seen until retrospect.

Obama and democrats actually reformed federal aid to students making their interest rates lower. Republicans were trying to raise it.

He actually helped college kids in debt.

Yah you just keep drinking all that Kool Aid. What flavor? Sour lemon or Poison Apple red?

Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

Yep lets blame the unions.

And not the fact that we spend gazillions more on wars and "defense".

Our budget is the reason for poor education. I have to send paper towels and cleaning supplies with my kids every year, and the last time I walked past the teachers cars in theparking lots they we're not Bentley's or Ferraris.

Wars aside, do you know how much we have dumped into "education" since the creation of the Department of Education? I want the endless nonsense of wars to stop (seems no matter who is in office, we pursue them) but throwing money at education doesn't work.

Quit pointing the finger. It is what the problem is in the first place. Politicians are unable to "man up" and admit when something doesn't work, they point the finger.

Quite exactly......

Originally posted by Trustfund

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Trustfund
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

lol. Mitt Romney isn't a capitalist, he is a corporate leach. A financial parasite.

edit on 7-11-2012 by Trustfund because: (no reason given)

And what is Obama, giving the People's money to his corporate and Union buddies?

Well Bush started it, Obama inherited it, Congress passed it. Romney profited from it.

But he'd be a public parasite.

Oh brother! talk about denial. In four years Obama will OWN it!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh brother! talk about denial. In four years Obama will OWN it!

No Congress will own it.....as it should be, but I doubt if things continue south that President Obama will ever own anything. Pass the buck; hell the last guy did!

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


You are the one drinking the Kool-Aid, what I said was fact.

President Obama Signs Measure to Freeze Student Loan Interest Rates

Congress acted just under the wire Friday to save college students from paying more for student loans. The legislation will freeze interest rates on federally subsidized Stafford loans at 3.4 percent, avoiding a scheduled increase on July 1 to 6.8 percent. Hours after Congress passed the measure, President Obama signed it into law—temporarily—effective through July 6. He is expected to make it permanent before the stopgap measure expires at the end of next week.

The move to stop interest rates from doubling is expected to affect 7.4 million students, saving each an average of $1,000 in extra financing fees.

blogs.edweek.org...


President Obama Increases Pell Grant Awards

As part of his focus on improving college education, President Obama plans to devote $40 billion to the Federal Pell Grant during the next decade. The Pell Grant, the nation’s largest grant program, is considered the foundation of federal aid for students enrolling in a college or university and a primary source of college aid for lower-income students.

Under a recently passed bill, the maximum for the Pell Grant would rise from $5,350, which is the current maximum, up gradually to an estimated $6,900 in 2019, in accordance with inflation trends in college costs and the consumer price index. Currently the maximum award is $5,550 per semester for the 2010-2011 school year.

www.campusexplorer.com...

reply to post by ownbestenemy


"Throwing money at education doesn't work".

I would like to disagree. We haven't even tried yet.

Kids are still reading from outdated books. There is no interactive learning. Budgets have been cut so drastically that learning is no longer "fun". It is stagnated to the point where the schools don't even send them to science centers or any other hands on learning ventures.

Teaching has to change with the times. This is the time of media, internet, television and other means of educating ones child.

Not, were already spending/spent too much money, pull the plug it isn't even working.

The education has not had a fair fighting chance because of ignorant political decisions made by rich people who never went to public schooling to begin with.

The building gs are falling apart, Columbus descovered America( example of outdated material), and inadequate
media are the problems, and money with proper oversight could make a huge difference in education.

reply to post by ownbestenemy

but throwing money at education doesn't work.

Yeah, I'm going to have to call false on this talking point here. I've went to both low income and middle class area schools. They do not even compare in the quality of the education. Funding DOES improve it.

If there aren't enough desks, 40 kids in one class, can't give out worksheets because there is no paper, kids do not have their own books, cannot bring them home, and share them in class. Not to mention the schoolbooks were beyond dated and falling apart.

And the ceiling tiles routinely fell on kids.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


What am I in denial about? You speak as if Obama is a dictator. The auto-bailout was passed by congress with bi-partisan support.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

Yes, I think it's all been planned by the globalists, just like the economic collapse has been planned even for decades. Someone said it's electronic vote tampering. We were getting reports of early voting where the machines were throwing the votes to Obama. Were those the Spanish machines Soros bought and brought here?
There were supposedly people observing the voting polls(UN) but what good is that if voting machines are rigged by the mega billionaire socialist Soros?

We are a center left and not a center right country. When will you guys get that through your noggins and elect a Republican that isn't a whack job or a corporate snake. Stop trying to blame globalists when it is just you on the wrong side of history and the future.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

I don't know any conservatives that don't know what communism and socialism are. I also know that most liberals don't want to admit how many of their members are members of the communist party. It's all the same game, in the end. The state gets to decide what happens to what you earn. Spread the wealth. Both are about taking from those that work, and giving to those that do not, or, mostly, to those in charge.

Amazing post, all of it, even the stuff I didn't quote in my reply. I agree with everything you stated.

Frog boiling in water.

And all those college kids who can't find jobs or can only work a burger flipping job and can't pay back their students just voted AGAIN for the same guy who made it all worse over the last 4 years. But it won't be seen until retrospect.

edit on 7-11-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

A great interview that might help explain the other side of it.

Encore Broadcast: On Winner-Take-All Politics
March 1, 2012

In this encore presentation, Bill Moyers investigates America’s economic disparity — how it happened and who’s to blame.
billmoyers.com...

after the mid 1970's we start moving towards a distribution of income that looks more like that of a third world oligarchy. It looks more like Mexico or Brazil or Russia. Income inequality that statistics on income inequality now suggest that inequality is higher in the U.S. than it is in Egypt. And that’s quite a journey from where we were when I was growing up.

Let's take a look at just how dramatic the inequality is. You have a chart here. I'm not an astute reader of charts, but this one did hit me. What are you saying with that chart? JACOB HACKER: It says how much did people at different points on the income ladder earn in 1979 and how much did they earn in 2006 after adjusting for inflation? It exploded at the top. The line for the top one percent, it's hard to fit on the graph because it's so much out of proportion to the increases that occurred among other income groups including people who are just below the top one percent. So, that top one percent saw its real incomes increase by over 250 percent between 1979 and 2006. Yeah. Over 250 percent.

PAUL PIERSON: The Bush tax cuts in a lot of ways were written like a subprime mortgage. You know, they were designed to make people see certain things, and not see a lot of the fine print.

JACOB HACKER: Fully 30 to 40 percent of the benefits were going to the very top, of the income distribution. The top one percent. And when you broke it down, it was really the top one-tenth of one percent that did so well because of the estate tax changes, and because of the changes in the top tax rates, the changes in the capital gains taxes. And if you go to 2003, changes in the dividend tax.

I mean, these were all tax breaks that were worth a vast amount to the richest of Americans and worth very little to middle class Americans.

PAUL PIERSON: Within a few weeks after the legislation was passed, we all get a letter that says Congress and the President have given you this tax cut. And then that's pretty much it for the middle class. But for higher income groups, the further forward you go in time, the bigger and bigger the benefits get. So it was really designed to front-load the relatively modest benefits for the middle class, and to back-load the benefits for the wealthy.